2004-10-20, 02:31 | Link #41 | |
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Re-read what was said. I am speaking of music from a CD source. This is all an aside to fansubs. But getting back on track; yes, 128 sounds alright for speech, however, if your source is a higher bitrate, why not take advantage of that? Hell, mono sound is "fine for speech" as well, and it cuts the overhead for the sound in half, why don't more people do that? I guess the difference is, do you want good enough, or do you want better? |
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2004-10-20, 04:56 | Link #43 |
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People other than stuck up audiophiles WILL notice when any of the music with any loudness (specific terms lacking: I do not know my music) like the ops sound like a high picthed scream coming out of their speakers.
I've been able to notice how bad Ops sounded for YEARS, way before I've been able to notice how crappy half my mp3s sound, heh. And let's keep in mind that anime is NOT Just speech, but explosions, other music, gunshots, you name it. And JediNight, I made the point earlier in the topic, that those extra 10 megs for keeping the audio PRISTINE isn't going to harm video THAT Much. I have a headache anyway, I should probably wait for the drugs to take effect before rabling any more ^^ |
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I try to avoid any MP3 below 160 or 192 kbit. Yes, for music. Quote:
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All this said, there ARE cases where you'd use > 128 kbit... I won't go into them, but yes, they do exist. Generally not on TV anime though. |
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2004-10-20, 16:43 | Link #45 | |
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So, you're saying you'd prefer impoving the video quality SLIGHTLY, and thus completely trashing audio quality?
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You know, I've watched a few series here and there which has had MORE than 2-3 minutes of music/explosions/lots of sound in it, you know. And if you don't want fansubs to be a replacement for DVDs, then why is 128CBR audio the only disability you give your releases? I mean, it's a pretty gay one, as a region 1 DVD doesn't exactly mean perfect audio: let's keep in mind AC3 sucks a whole hell of a lot more than mp3. I mean, why not add others, like 64kbs audio, 480x360 video, not using any AVISynth filters to help clean and compress the video. Where does one stop...? |
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2004-10-20, 16:53 | Link #46 | ||
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One stops at 'good enough'... a point I've discussed in other threads. This fictional persuit of 'quality' is just so much chest-thumping, ego-stroking, e-penis-enlarging foolishness, in my opinion. |
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2004-10-20, 17:24 | Link #47 |
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Come to my house, and listen to a "fast" or "loud" (I suck with musicy terms) Op, then make statements like that.
Also, AC3 does NOT work fine in its uses. AC3 is CRAP, CRAP, CRAP. How is me paying $20 for over-compressed audio, and again pretty crappy sounding op songs "fine"? Especially since most companies see the need to plug 2.0 at 196kbs. I mean, mp3 has problems at 196kbs; it's not like .ogg sounds perfect at 196kbs. And, let's consider the "pursuit" of quality: Leaving in the original audio: effort level of, say, a couple of dozen clicks (opening raw in VD, demuxing, remuxing audio in .avi) Converting to 128kbs CBR: Effort level of INCREASE x X/N (doing the same as above, but with ADDITIONAL ENCODING STEPS). And yes, I agree, it's so EGO inducing to try and get better at a hobby: I mean, I have a friend who plays Chess (I don't really, but Chess is a respected game, so I'll lie), and he was trying to learn some tactics and I was like "OMG, YOU JUST WANT TO INCREASE YOUR PENIS SIZE, DON'T YOU". |
2004-10-20, 20:22 | Link #48 | |
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You don't get more skillful at audio encoding by encoding at a higher audio bitrate anyways, so your analogy doesn't even work. |
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2004-10-22, 11:04 | Link #51 |
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I'm an audiophile myself, and yes, I can hear the difference between quality of lossless (for ex. APE or FLAC) and MP3 at 320 kbit/s without headphones. Occasionally I notice huge drops of sound quality in fansubs. The last time it bothered me was when the audio was encoded at 112 kbit/s (also, the ED was truly great, so it bothered me a lot ). But when watching anime fansubs I focus on other stuff whereas listening to music I can only concentrate on that, so audiophilia and fansubbing... I really don't see the point.
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2004-10-22, 11:20 | Link #52 | |
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And, if AC3 is "blending out detail", why would I need to hear the master copy to be able to tell the difference? I can tell that a lot of WMV9 raws look oversmoothed without seeing the master copy. In which case, yes I have heard the master copy of one thing - Hajime no Ippo's opening. My 320CBR rip of the op from the OST CD sounds masses better than the AC3 track on the DVD. The AC3 track doesn't sound bad, but it doesn't sound as good as I'd like considering there's a gig left free on the disk, and I paid 20 bucks for the disk. And the "audio grain" (I only have a vague idea to what you could be talking about - please use the correct terminology if you want to complain to a dyslexic person for mixing up two commonly used numbers) is only very noticeable at low bitrates. What I find more annoying is the old clipping. Last edited by SirCanealot; 2004-10-22 at 17:17. |
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2004-10-22, 17:15 | Link #54 |
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I forgot to write "OST" for the first CD, and then called the DVD "CD", which is just an old habit.
I'll edit and correct to stamp out confusion. Edit: I can bash WMV9 for it's 50% processor use (2.1Atholn) though :P And I've also heard WMV9 has a buit in smoother which you can't turn off, which is why they look so oversmoothed - XVid doesn't have that, and it pisses me off (since sometimes it strangely enough DOESN'T activate, making you think the raw has more detail that it does being decoded normally; I have screen shots of this if you want to comment on this at all, it's really pissing me off). |
2004-10-22, 19:35 | Link #55 | |
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But seriously man, you don't watch anime just to listen to the music; there's OST's for that reason. You might as well say "the anime companies aren't giving me my money's worth by putting anime on lossy MPEG2 and 16bit PCM, I want the freakin' digital masters and 96khz 24bit PCM darn it!!" |
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2004-10-22, 23:34 | Link #56 | |
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You CAN make WMV9 blend out "less" by turing one of the settings up to "Better Quality" but then it takes friggin 6 hours to encode WITHOUT using filters...that IS a downside. |
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