2009-05-05, 19:33 | Link #43 |
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I liked Shirley, she was both cheerful and someone who genuinely loved Lelouch, coming to understand him in her next-to-final moments...all of which made her death especially sad, but her story always had a high probability of ending in tragedy once the Mao arc had set things in motion so I expected her fate to be bittersweet at best.
If the subplot introduced near the end of the first season had continued and she had confronted Lelouch about the letter, I expected the eventual results to be painful for both of them considering where his own path was eventually going to take him (and where it indeed did). What could have made a difference are the circumstances under which such a meeting finally happened and in that respect I imagine that there were endless possibilities. Would she understand his goals, join him and try to help out somehow? That would have been very interesting to see. At the same time, she could also have chosen to reject his methods and stay at the school, or Lelouch would have to cut himself off from that world, willingly or otherwise, leaving Shirley as someone who would wait for him without being directly involved in the grand scheme of things. It's hard to say what would happen in terms of specific events. |
2009-05-05, 19:54 | Link #44 |
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Well, at least i can safely imagine that if Lelouch never did found C.C in the first place, Shirley would end with him. Not for long, since Charles was trying to make the instrumentaly project, but they surely would get together someday.
It's hard to say what was going to happen if she survived, cause everything would be different. If she survives, Lelouch probably will not attack the geass cult yet, so, Tohdou will never get the confession and betray Zero, so Schneizel won't get what he wants and who knows what he would do next... Shirley's death was the catalyst for everything that happened after that. So, my guess is that he probably would give her a job like the one C.C got. Don't do nothing, but pretend you're doing something. And there would be a lot of catfights with Kallen. |
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Including her at all would be a serious error in judgment for Lelouch. People are going to ask questions when Shirley up and vanishes from Ashford. She'd be safer guarding his identity at the school.
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2009-05-05, 20:25 | Link #46 |
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I don't know if everything would happen the same way. If Tohdou has absolute trust in Zero(which at the moment, even without the confession was not likely, since Lelouch was crazy for Nunnally loss), he would probably disagree with Schneizel and with Ohgi, because he's listening to a brittanian woman. Since Tohdou is one of the pillars of the BK, i think his opinion got the same weight as Ohgi's opinion. And he got Tamaki to support him.
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Shirley indirectly helped to shake his faith through that massacre in her name, but given his reaction to the evidence I don't think it would have made a difference if it had never happened.
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In a crazy magic rebellion world Lelouch gets caught up in revolutionizing the world and dies at a young age, so... |
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During which time he interacts with several other women, so Shirley's chances dwindle somewhat.
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I guess the original point that I'm aiming at is that Shirley's love is not "pure and simple", any more so than Kallen's or C.C.'s.
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And as far as trying to change his "playboy" nature. I like to think of it as "concern for the one you love" But yeah, I can definitely understand your point of view. |
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2009-05-06, 05:23 | Link #53 | |
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But I wasn't talking about love: Kallen expected Zero to free Japan from Britannia and CC expected him to kill her. That's what I meant. (Of course, I know they loved him too) Shirley loved him and she wanted to be loved back and nothing else. That's why I said "pure and simple way"
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And to that extent, I'd say Shirley and Kallen were more or less in the same position. They both loved him and very much wanted him to love them back, but they accepted him for who he was and didn't force him to change (...well, maybe they influenced him a little). |
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2009-05-07, 04:26 | Link #55 |
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mh, I think I can see your point, Airi.
the relationship between Shirley and Lelouch is built uniquely over her feelings for him and how they influenced their interaction, while with Kallen and CC there were a lot of other things on the table that came in the way of feelings, even though, at least in Kallen's case, those feelings pretty much grow to te point of pushing everything else on the edge of the table, nearly pushing it down in the end. So yeah, she's the girl that got the most 'simple' relationship with him. |
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2009-05-07, 11:25 | Link #57 | |
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Wow.....never thought I'd actually see a Shirley thread....well done.
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2009-05-07, 18:33 | Link #59 |
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Ah, yeah, i remember now that there's a plot on season 1, when Shirley found the letter she wrote to Lelouch when she discovered that he's Zero. What happened to this one? It turned into dust in the timeskip?
And i think the timeskip was great for Shirley, sort of. Thanks to it, now we knows that even after a geass, she still would love Lelouch, i think that's quite something. But it's awful for Shirlulu, he spend a year with the girl and never did anything? C'MON. |
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