2022-04-07, 12:25 | Link #41 | |
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We've already witnessed a situation where basically they couldn't even deal a single damage to the main enemy, and thus we witnessed Naofumi singlehandedly defeating her while everyone else just stood there and watched barely giving their contribution by killing random monsters. The hero that "only focuses on power" certainly has his own faults, but being completing helpless shouldn't be one. In the end it really does feel like the other heroes only exist to make Naofumi look better in comparison, and it's been jarring for a long while now. I can only hope that this is meant to be a build up for the moment when they finally become an effective squad, but so far it really does feel like the story is focused only Naofumi and his personal party and how they are the only ones who can truly make a difference in this multidimensional battle.
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2022-04-07, 15:00 | Link #42 | |
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Same goes with the other heroes. I got the feeling they were supposed to satirize common heroic traits like loyalty, strength and justice, but they go a bit too far and end up being no more than caricatures a lot of the time. If they'd been toned down just a bit, allowed to show that their heroism could be positive at times, it might have done better. Show that being loyal to one's companions and believing in them is a good thing that can do a lot to support the party, but also something that can be taken too far and cause problems, rather than only showing how easily a "loyal" man is taken advantage of. Maybe have him save Rino (a character from the LN) from the brothel because she had been part of their party but refuse to believe that his party members were really the ones that sold her. Or show Itsuki actually saving lives and earning some of the praise he craves rather than only showing how many of his heroics fail to actually improve things due to his focusing more on being the great hero that saves the day than on actually figuring out how to actually help solve a sticky situation. Either way, my point was that it felt to me more like these guys were made to make fun of heroic tropes than to make Naofumi look like a saint in comparison. It's just that too much focus was put on showing how bad these traits are when taken too far and too little was given to show that it can be good when done right and in moderation. Anyway, setting that aside, along with Keel's bandages I also noticed one possible mistake. Is it just me, or did the little kids that ran by Naofumi suddenly change height relative to one another after bumping into him? |
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2022-04-07, 16:27 | Link #44 |
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As a manga reader, I'm slightly torn.
On the one hand, I feel like I remember an entire other arc happening between the end of season 1 (not counting the "becoming lord of a land" nonsense) and the Spirit Turtle arc. Including another party member, and a whole lot more about Rishia's training (which I could've sworn involved her resetting herself back to level 1). On the other hand, the Spirit Turtle arc was absolutely boring as hell in the manga, so if they want to rush through it, I'd be a-okay with that. |
2022-04-07, 17:52 | Link #45 |
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Isn't it an empty threat in-universe too? If she gets rid of them and new heroes get summoned, they'll start at level one and get utterly raped in the next wave. Killing them automatically dooms the world. Unless newly summoned heroes inherit the old heroes' stats or something.
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2022-04-07, 18:38 | Link #46 |
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yeah threat feels very empty, Im not even sure she even has the juice to carry it out if she actually wanted to
like last time we saw her Naofumi and co were lvl 20 something and hadnt promoted yet, quite a ways far from the 75+ promoted units they are now
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2022-04-08, 05:06 | Link #51 | |
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2022-04-08, 09:47 | Link #53 |
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Well, it's a bit more obvious in the LN, where occasionally at or near points where various heroes screw up there are little blurbs that seem to be more discussions of the heroes of the book Naofumi had been reading when he was isekai'd. They talk about how a given hero's nature is strongly linked to a certain trait, but then notes that such a trait can be taken too far and become something very bad. If I remember right this happened, for instance, right before the sequence with Motoyasu and Rino. It was a little anvilicious but made it quite clear the author wanted to raise questions about taking certain heroic traits too far and the general way that many LN protagonists will just have things go right whatever they do.
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2022-04-08, 15:58 | Link #55 | |
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As for the novel, I find it likely we could get a new novel announcement sometime soon. Animes are generally made to promote their novel or anime. So doesn’t make much sense for a series on haitus unless there was a reason to promote it. Arifureta did this last season where they announced the first new volume of the Arifureta main series with the beginning of its 2nd season.
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2022-04-08, 16:56 | Link #56 |
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I mean I'm sure there are traits that they should be aspiring to or traits associated with their weapons. But like... the heroes are still nowhere close to really coming around. And Naofumi cleaning up their messes is probably keeping them from the rock bottom they have to reach to really want to improve. As they are now they're basically irredeemable.
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2022-04-08, 17:36 | Link #57 |
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I have never read the novels so I dont know if its more nuanced there, but in the 20+ episodes of this anime Im yet to see a single redeeming quality out of the 3 stooges, the Pope was basically right (maybe a tad fanatical ) when he called them a bunch of morons and called malty a bitch that was too busy conspiring to even notice.
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2022-04-09, 09:13 | Link #60 |
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Their biggest issue is that, early on, they had a reason to be cocky assholes. They had OP weapons, and they were able to quickly min/max their skills and absolutely trash everything that came their way, so why change? Naofumi was only getting things done because he would be in the right place at the right time, or he'd protect people instead of fight, etc.
However, once Glass showed up (and by extension, the Pope) and their skills stopped being useful while Naofumi's "jack of all trades" approach to the skill tree showed itself to be optimal... they didn't change. Normally a min/maxer like them would go and grind all those skills once they realized they weren't useless, but instead they just became tropes instead of advancing as characters. |
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