2009-10-17, 15:40 | Link #41 | |
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Question: What if the biological parents are unable to maintain the child and prefer for the child to be a adopted by someone who is better able to cope with the responsibility of raising him/her? |
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2009-10-17, 15:43 | Link #42 | ||
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Here, the civil mariage is an institution. Of course, if you are religious, after a civil marriage, you can do a church marriage, but nowadays this one has no legal value . So it's just "symbolic" when people do a church marriage after a civil marriage. So one word, Laïcité. About the marriage between two person of the same sex, France still doesn't allow it, but created the PACS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacte_c...olidarit%C3%A9 Anyway, as for me, I have my own grip about the problem of adoption, but I don't feel like debating. Quote:
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2009-10-17, 16:07 | Link #43 | |
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I think gay parents will give it more than 100% when it comes to raising kids for the sole reason they have lot to prove to themselves and society . Every person at some point wishes to have a family with kids . So being discriminated just for sexual orientation is wrong ..
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When all is said and done ... its just a matter of queers being different than mainstream society . Its what people don't get is what they fear the most . Witch Burnings in the good ole days is a good example for that . As GayBashing is frowned upon now, so various outlets like these are used to vent hate and intolerance . Just take gender equality, if the old thread is to believed ... Majority of Males on this forum are hardcore femnazis . But when there opinions are read in other threads . They are full of sexist undertones . Same is the case with homophobia in general =/
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2009-10-17, 16:11 | Link #44 |
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Basically, marriage is supossed to be all about two people who love each other and want to celebrate their love, rigth?
If so, then I don't see why homosexuals should not have the same rigth as heterosexuals.
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2009-10-17, 16:25 | Link #46 | ||
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Since the United States is a Christian gov't. It's why homosexuality is mostly unaccepted.
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2009-10-17, 16:31 | Link #47 | |
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About "what a marriage is". In France, there are laws related to it, and effects (like that spouses owe it to each other to be faithful) related to it that you can't modify as you wish. |
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2009-10-17, 16:34 | Link #48 | |
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Using that as an excuse to rally against same sex adoption seems quite comical though .
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2009-10-17, 16:50 | Link #49 | |
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2009-10-17, 16:56 | Link #50 | |
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2009-10-17, 17:01 | Link #51 | ||
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Here is an article on costs : http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_d...schooling_cost
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2009-10-17, 17:14 | Link #52 | |
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Even though, people might be scared here for no justifiable reason, it is not that easy to change their minds. There are many obstacles ahead, culture, religion, prejudice, etc. That is why a step by step approach is the better approach here. Because even a small problem that can easily be observed within a typical male-female family can intensify the fears of such people. I saw that in the news a few times. It happened in Europe. When the kids learned that they will be adopted by homosexual parents, they refused the adoption. And, it wasn't solely the decision of the kids, meaning they were suggested that it wouldn't be good for them (for reasons you can imagine). |
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2009-10-17, 17:42 | Link #56 | |
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Case in point, a mother is about to die and decides to leave her recently born daughter in the hands of her best friend...... a gay friend. He raises the girl as best as he can, and from the photos you see and the comments of the neighbors, you can tell that he was doing a mighty good job as a parent. By the time the girl is 8-10 years old (can't remember the exact age), a "certain group of religious people" caught word of what he was doing and pulled all the strings at their disposal to separate the two. Their only argument to set them apart was that he was gay, and that was pretty much the only excuse they needed. They will not allow him to even visit the girl and much less tell him where she is now. All of this made it to the newspaper, btw.
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2009-10-17, 17:47 | Link #57 | |
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2009-10-17, 17:49 | Link #58 | |
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Excellent points raised there Zas ^-^ Closet Homophobia is a much bigger evil that straight.out Homophobia . The bane of political correctness if you can call it that . Quote:
EDIT : There is a minimum income criteria for adoption . Something along 30 K the actual costs are already mentioned in that article . For various types of Home -Schooling from Horse Riding to Basic .
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2009-10-17, 17:52 | Link #59 | ||
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I've also recently read that more and more kids are switching to public schools because of the economy. Though that's probably for another topic. About the kids thing, I would like share something anecdotal. My high school French teacher is gay and he has four kids. However, he and his partner didn't adopt them; lesbian couples agreed to have kids using their sperm, though I think the kids mostly stay with lesbian couples. Quote:
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2009-10-17, 17:53 | Link #60 | |
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For example (i don't say it's good or bad, as i said, i don't want to enter this debate with my opinions, i just give an, example), in France, there are aethistic people who are against same-sex marriage/adoption because they think gays are crazy, or depraved, etc. In those cases, religion is not related to it. |
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