2010-07-14, 13:40 | Link #41 | |
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But any carbine is typically easier to pick up and point and shoot than any pistol or full sized rifle. The zombie survival guide doesn't recommend shotguns? Our stereotypical zombie repellent? |
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2010-07-14, 13:44 | Link #42 | |
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Though, case in point, shotguns are bad because of their spread. You'll only damage multiple zombies with it but you might not kill them as the spread might miss their head. For extreme close combat it might be good, but then it might be too late.
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2010-07-14, 13:45 | Link #43 |
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Personally, I would skip the military assault rifles. In a situation where ammo is limited, full-automatic weapons are more of a hindrance than a help. The single-fire AR-15 series (M4 civilian models) or AK-47 civilian variant. They are much easier to find.
Either that or an RPK. It's one of the few machine guns that I know of that can be (relatively) easy to carry around.
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2010-07-14, 13:48 | Link #44 | |
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Personally, though I mentioned the AR-15 series, I wouldn't use anything with a 5.56 round. It doesn't have enough raw stopping power. You gotta have bigger rounds.
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2010-07-14, 13:51 | Link #45 | |
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Though, RPKs and its like would probably be preferred if you have a stationary defence and ammo to spare. I stand corrected on the shotguns.
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2010-07-14, 13:55 | Link #46 |
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RPKs ? Meh, the obvious choice should be an RPC!
On a more serious note, this whole gun talk seems a bit off-topic in relation to the series, but i guess it can't be helped given the nature of the subject at hand.
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2010-07-14, 13:55 | Link #47 |
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A silenced pistol would be especially useful but otherwise shooting with non silenced weapons would only attract more.
That nail gun Kouta used was really good but most nail guns are designed now with a sensor to detect when in contact with human skin or anything before it shoots even still if your lucky enough to find a gas powered one with the velocity to shoot from a distance you still have that hang up of the sensor not letting you shoot it.
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2010-07-14, 13:56 | Link #48 | |
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Suppressors are legal in my state but the paperwork!! |
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2010-07-14, 14:15 | Link #50 | |
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As for why a rifle is better than a shotgun: a rifle is more accurate, simple as that. If you're on the run from zombies and the whole of civilization has collapsed restocking ammo isn't something you can do easily so you only get what you carry with you. As such you want to waste as little ammo as possible so you don't have to be bogged down with extra bullets. Also (and this is true in HOTD as shown in the 2nd ep) zombies guide themselves mostly by hear so a gunshot is a rather good way to give out your position so you should avoid shotting if possible. If you must shoot a rifle is more effective since it has higher long/mid-range accuracy than a shotgun so you can pick off the zombies heads before they reach you. This is the most effective tactic since zombies are slow so it's a good idea to make use of that fact. Short-range fighting is the worse thing to do when fighting them: they are stronger than a human and don't feel anything so they win almost always. I could go on and on but I would just be reproducing the Zombie Survival Guide (by Max Brooks) so go read it, it's great for a laugh (and in the end to get you to stockpile food, ammo and other required stuff for long-term survival)
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2010-07-14, 14:29 | Link #51 | |
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Your second paragraph goes to my point that if the zombie is FAR from you, it's not a threat and should not require you to fire your weapon. But if you are at self defense ranges, you want to maximize stopping power and at close range shotguns are hard to beat. Ask the Germans in WWI about the Remington trench brooms our doughboys brought over. In a war fought with high powered rifles and machine guns, the shogtun was practically decried as inhumane and savage by the Germans! |
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2010-07-14, 15:02 | Link #52 | |
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Also you can silence a rifle but a silenced shotgun is a lot harder to come by or even to make using random bits and pieces found scattered around.
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2010-07-14, 15:35 | Link #53 | |
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And you cannot "silence" a shotgun. Same is true with rifles. You can "suppress" shots but the biggest problem is the sonic boom of the projectile traveling through the air. THAT'S what causes the loud snap of a round being fired. You need to chamber sub-sonic ammo to properly suppress shots which effectively reduces the rifle's main advantage, projectile velocity and energy. Not that I'm saying everyone should use a shotgun. As a team, a shotgunner and a rifleman make an excellent and adaptive combo. But for ranges of 10-20 feet, hard to beat the amount of damage a full load of buckshot will do, or even a 1 ounce lead slug. Letting a zombie get close enough to grab you and liberate you of several mouthfuls of brain is obviously not the idea here. When I say close range I don't mean hand to hand! |
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2010-07-14, 15:49 | Link #54 | |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa50-plo48 And if you have to carry more than one gun, I would recommend consolidating calibers. Case in point is Glock pistols all accept magazines from other Glocks of the same caliber, as long as the magazine is not too small. So if you have a full size Glock 17 9mm and it fails, you can start using those same magazines in a sub-compact Glock 26 9mm as your back up weapon. But yes if you have the opportunity to silently dispatch one of "them", a Gordon Freeman special wouldn't hurt...But I'd prefer a good old baseball bat or cricket bat, as our friends from overseas have already stated. |
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Eh, it's serious as serious can be in the realm of fiction. I wouldn't be surprised if most of these "facts" would ring true. Though, yes, ultimately it's for laughs, but it tries hard.
Btw, nice to see it got its own thread now lol Quote:
For some reason my skiing outfit would be quite nice as it provides some bite protection...
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2010-07-14, 16:06 | Link #57 | |
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The book is probably right about carrying shot shells. Though you can carry over a hundred in a bandolier or on a vest, that's still a lot less than rifle shots for a lot more weight. I could probably carry eight magazines of rifle ammo, each one carrying 30 shots. That's a lot more opportunities. Quicker to reload too. One downside for a shotgun that's not box fed is loading! Takes about one second per shell....(if you're good) |
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2010-07-14, 16:11 | Link #58 | |
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You can use my shotgun. Just follow some basic rules of gun safety, finger off the trigger and don't point it at anything you aren't willing to destroy! |
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2010-07-14, 16:16 | Link #59 |
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In a perfect world, I would immediately seek out individuals such as Meplat and Trail Snake, for they are heavily armed and well-versed. It also helps that Trail Snake has the following set up:
Spoiler for Preparedness:
I probably won't survive long, but chances are I'll go out drunk. Or with a pipebomb. Killing Floor don't fail me now...
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2010-07-14, 16:47 | Link #60 | |
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The longer the barrel, the more time the pellets are accelerated to speed within the wad and the tighter the forcing cone or "choke" is, the smaller the grouping of pellets are down range. As for my preparations against the undead... I'm set anyway, I live in the country several kilometres fromthe nearest population centre and I've got a small arsenal at my disposal if anything goes awry. My pride and joy of that arsenal is a paramilitary grade sniper rifle so I'm more than ready for picking off the undead at five hundred plus metres if they try to enter my property.
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