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There has to be a reason why there is the legend of the witch of the forest around Rokkenjima, hasn't it?! Quote:
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At the ninth twilight, the witch shall be revived and none shall be left alive. At the tenth twilight, the journey shall end and you should reach the village of gold. So how is the holder of the key, who seems to be adressed as you in the poem, supposed to reach the village of gold, if none is said to survive? Can dead people reach the village of gold? I just thought to throw some questions in again, because I always found it very entertaining to be kept moving by those who had read Higurashi, while I was watching the anime. |
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2009-07-10, 13:26 | Link #43 |
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Well it says "the witch shall be revived and none shall be left alive"....this would assume that the "witch" is still "alive" right? Thus the "you" would be the "witch". Thus whoever survives is the "witch". Sort of makes it difficult to satify the terms of the letter if only the "witch" can win.
Not that that makes any sense...but what else do we have to work with?
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2009-07-10, 13:46 | Link #44 | |
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It's confusing though, because Maria is already supposed to have encountered Beatrice, so what exactly does "shall be revived" mean? If Beatrice does exist as a separate person, than it should have been impossible for Maria to have met her because she's still "sleeping". Who gave Maria that letter, and who performed those killings then? My theory is that one of the eighteen playing the part of Beatrice and following the epitaph... perhaps just as a means to reduce the competition for the inheritance. If there's any other underlying motive behind that, I've yet to figure it out... as there's not much info to work with in the first place. But something else that's been bugging me might throw this theory off. The golden butterflies that have been seen twice or more times now, what exactly are they supposed to symbolize? Any theories, because it could quite possibly be a sign that Beatrice is near, which one again contradicts with my previous theory. I'm giving myself a headache. I've been pondering over this as well, more or less because of what Rudolf told Battler during the night. Rudolf said he was going to die that night, but why would he even think that when there were no signs of hostility within the letter Beatrice provided. Was it just a random hunch, or did he know more about the epitaph then he's letting on? I always found that a little too convenient, and I believe it isn't just random killings... but as for why those select people were killed, I have no idea yet.
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2009-07-10, 14:08 | Link #45 | |
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2009-07-10, 14:25 | Link #46 | |
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If it is the afterlife, the paradise or a graveyard, it makes sense
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2009-07-10, 14:43 | Link #48 | |
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I never even pondered on the letter not being from Beatrice. Although if it was one of the people in the mansion it would have to be someone VERY close to Kinzo in order to get that ring, doubt it was Krauss seeing as how's he's been sakujo'd. Other likely one would be Genji, he is the only one Kinzo trust after all and I don't think it would be TO far fetched for Kinzo to order Genji into doing this in which being the loyal servant he is, Genji would have to obey. Also, to help in my efforts of solving who could be the one who actually performed the killings, could a VN player PM on if Eva knows about her son's love for Shannon at the moment, nothing else, just that.
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2009-07-10, 15:23 | Link #49 | ||
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Not to derail the topic, anyone thought about how"Beatrice" introduce her/himself in the letter that Maria read?
An alchemy counsellor? Gold? Does it actually means transmuted gold? This is the first time in my whole life I heard of alchemy counsellor =_=' Also it may be just me but the blood drawing look like those transmutation circle you saw in FMA... Quote:
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2009-07-10, 15:29 | Link #50 |
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Only a part of it ^_-
Well I think you can imagine how Maria would answer this question. This person claims to be a witch after all. Of course if you don't believe this person is a witch then you have no reasons to believe the rest.
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2009-07-10, 15:55 | Link #52 |
do you know ベアトリーチェ様?
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Guys, if you've been playing the game or reading the manga, please, PLEASE stop posting in this thread. First-time viewers who want spoilerish answers will come and ask in our threads or find out by playing the game themselves. Maybe it seems fun to talk to people who know a lot less about the story than you do, but you're not really doing them a service.
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2009-07-10, 15:56 | Link #53 |
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That is correct. It isn't anything better than giving guidance and the like, which is absolutely unsafe regarding the knowledge involving those who played even only 2 episodes already.
Few "guiding" comments have been removed. Therre isn't much for the moment, but this kind of discussion can derail way too much and would lead first viewers to either bad or good tracks, which isn't the purpose of such thread. This thread serve so those who have no prior knowledge can discuss of the possible future events or the meaning of certain events. Discussing the first viewers theories with your game biased knowledge is nothing like a service: it is rather the best way to be a living "walkthrough". Feel free to point out FACTS from the anime, but please do not start giving reasoning or clues. You still can post, but I high suggest any game/manga watchers to refrain doing so. It is much more important regarding Umineko's storytelling compared to Higurashi. Last edited by Klashikari; 2009-07-11 at 21:19. |
2009-07-10, 16:07 | Link #54 | |
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Is raising questions after each episode around here, as long as it is regarded to that episode story's element?
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2009-07-10, 16:08 | Link #55 |
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Yes, raising question on obvious elements and summarizing all elements (WITHOUT GIVING ANY IMPORTANCE TO ANY!) are fine.
Therefore, the range of discussion for non first viewer is limited, hence why I strongly suggest you all not to post in this thread. Last edited by Klashikari; 2009-07-11 at 21:19. |
2009-07-10, 16:14 | Link #56 | |
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In Japanese it is 当家顧問錬金術師 and it would describe a consultant serving a special household in regards of Alchemy, so yes 'household alchemy counsellor' would be the best words to describe this position. So of course, the witch who had bestowed the house of Ushiromiya with 10t of gold would have every right to call herself that way. |
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2009-07-10, 16:45 | Link #57 | ||
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The timeframe of this whole story is between October 4-5th? How do you like that? They already wasted October 4th. We only have less than 24 hours to accomodate all 22-something episodes. Or are they gon' pull another time loop, fast forward, rewind approach to things. |
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2009-07-10, 18:02 | Link #59 | |
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2009-07-10, 19:24 | Link #60 | |
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Alternatively, consider this. We don't technically need to disprove the witch or the supernatural exists, you can't prove a negative after all. All the more logically inclined among us have to do is offer a complete explanation which is equally viable and makes no assumptions about the existence of unquantifiable supernatural beings and is consistent with the facts we know and Occam's means we're winning. |
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