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2008-04-30, 16:30 | Link #43 |
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Yeah, but as you must know the Glaug was stolen wholesale. The Behemoth is at the top end of the weight class, features railguns/gauss rifles, and the chassis does resemble the wider configuration of the Monster. It does seem like they were putting another Macross mech into the game without actually ripping another design off directly.
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2008-04-30, 17:25 | Link #44 | |
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Nonetheless, the 'Behemoth' simply does not resemble a MONSTER imo. The cockpit, the legs, the weapon load-out, all too very 'Glaug' to me. - Tak |
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2008-04-30, 23:04 | Link #46 | |
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Way too much personal duels, and the amount of philosophical exchanges sometimes drive me nuts. Macross is a huge contrast to Gundam's ace concept. While certain characters in Macross do play significant roles, their importance isn't overwhelming. Call it realism if you will, but I like it that way, heh. - Tak (Share my happiness, for I just obtained http://valkyria.jp/) Last edited by Tak; 2008-04-30 at 23:14. |
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2008-05-02, 02:21 | Link #47 |
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Well, as of episode 5, we now have confirmation - the Vajra units' protection scheme doesn't seem to be any more exotic than a regular Valkyrie's energy-conversion armour. That's rather interesting, considering their apparently superior toughness, but perhaps they simply have better power generation capabilities which give the armour an extra boost...
The analysis also noted that they have such a small brain it might as well be nonexistent for the purposes of thinking and higher-level functions... which is again rather curious, since the attack force in the Deculture Edition was shown jamming the first wave of Ghosts. Was that a preprogrammed response (in which case, why did they only jam the Ghosts, while telemetry from the VF-171s remained unaffected?), or was there a C4ISTAR craft lurking around somewhere? |
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its a biological weapon, right? Proto-culture biotechnology was very advanced, it won't be impossible to imagine that these "warriors" have a set of pre-defined responses encoded in it's DNA, so that when it meets a certain situation, the most appropriate response will be activated.
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2008-05-02, 08:37 | Link #49 | ||
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Besides which, they only started jamming after they'd already raised the alarm by blowing the VF-171 picket ship away - after all, the jamming was targeted at the quick-response flight of Ghosts arriving to investigate the recon bird's disappearance. Neither did the jamming appear to continue after the Ghosts had been dispensed with. Quote:
Did the masterminds behind the Vajra encounter another UN Spacy force somewhere, perhaps, and obtain some equipment samples to study? Or might there be a command ship hanging back out of sight to coordinate and direct the action? |
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Megaroad 01, First colony fleet. Maiden flight: 2012 Commander of the UN Spacy Escort: Ichijyo Hayase Misa Last contact: 2015-2016 (Missing) Last Location: Near the Galactic Centre
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2008-05-02, 10:01 | Link #51 |
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Well, yes, but I was thinking of something a bit more recent. A forty-year-old example of a Ghost really shouldn't be enough to devise a preprogrammed ECM mode capable of completely disabling the latest models (unless, of course, somebody went and made Microsoft the UN Spacy's prime software contractor).
Of course, the Vajra could be simply using sheer brute-force white noise on the command frequencies, but if they have that kind of power output then why aren't they simply blanking out the sensors and comms on all the Valkyries too? Take away their missiles and computer-controlled gunsights, and those VF-171s suddenly aren't even worth stopping to deal with - just ignore them and blow past toward the capital ships. SMS's VF-25s would be more of a threat, but even their effectiveness would be reduced, and saturating the fleet's inner defences would be much easier than it actually turned out. |
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after all, all fleets have some form of UN Spacy escort, as evidence of Ozma present at the scene. But i personally think it's a brute force method as well as a combination of at leased a rudimentary knowledge of UN Federation communication technology. You notice in the first episode, that the Vf-25 and the 117th comms were affected as well, they had static and video-link degrading. Obviously the manned fighters have better EM protection then robots, due to the fact that you only need to shield vital system and not the entire system including the piloting A.I. itself.
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The events of the deculture episode would make a lot of sense if the Vajra had discovered some weakness in the command protocols or AI; first jam the link back to the mothership, then broadcast your own attack transmission that screws up the Ghosts completely. Quote:
More importantly, we could clearly see the effects of the jamming on the flagship's tactical display; the areas of effect popped up as marked spheres, and the Ghosts' telemetry cut off as soon as they entered those zones. By contrast, when the VF-171s engaged the Vajra the tactical display remained perfectly clear, and the Valkyries' telemetry data was completely uninterrupted up until the point where they were shot down. Quote:
Moreover, I'm not sure that the difference is that significant. The Valkyries are still dependent on electronics for everything from engine management to cockpit instrumentation and flight control. The AI is just one more black box to shield. And even if the AI is extremely delicate and difficult to harden, the first things to be fried in an EMP attack against either a Valkyrie or Ghost are still likely to be the sensors, because they have to be both exposed and sensitive in order to do their jobs. A blinded Ghost is a kill, of course, but even on a Valkyrie it's a mission-kill; the pilot can still fly by looking out the window, but combat effectiveness will drop to nearly zero. |
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I'm thinking the ghost that were jammed in the beginning didn't have the advanced AI like the Ghost X-9. After the Sharon Apple incident there may have been a huge back lash against AI and having people and technology combine. Hence why artificial "enhancement" is illegal in some places.
The unmaned ghost in the beginning could have just been remotely controlled from the fleet. The jamming would be effective enough for the Ghost to lose their control signals and end up drifting like they did. Also we do know from the decultured special ep 1 the VF 171 was able to increase their EM protection. Also from the preview at the end of ep 5, it appears the Macross Galaxy has different Valkyries. The main body and fixed wing looks very much like th VF-11. Though it seems it has a modified super pack to accommodate the fold booster Last edited by squaresphere; 2008-05-04 at 10:41. |
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Its looks like a successor to the VF-4 lightening III, well i hope it is. Because if it IS a VF-4, then Galaxy's equipment a REALLY outdated, as they supposed to be phase out for the VF-11 thunderbolts (seen in Macross 7) that is now seems to be phase out with VF-171. edit: yeah. i'm right, it's a successor of some sort. It doesn't have the extra boosters on top of the wings, but it still has the legs folded under the wing. It was first seen in flashback. It's nice to see it animated again.
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It doesn't transform? just....flies? HERESY! *burn Tak with marshmellows* Umpossible. I won't believe a word of it. beside i too freeze framed it and when you look at the back of the plane where the thrusters are, they look similar to the Vf-4. So it doesn't have the typical "feet" the vectoring fins, but I have yet to see a plane that is just a plane! *ignores the passenger plane from the beginning of Decultured ep1* It's commercial! It's not military! *ignores the Ghost Fighters* A.I fighters not included either! Stop analysing me!
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The SF-3A Lancer II in the original MACROSS The SB-10/10 Starwing in MACROSS PLUS The Drone units in MACROSS PLUS and never mind the actual F-14s and Mig-29s in Macross Zero, eh? - Tak |
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Well just to throw more petrol on the flames of debate i present to you....
A picture that suspiciously looks similar to the ship from M-Galaxy. It's a Vf-4, but is different from a Lightening III version. notice the lack of extra thrust on the wings. the second picture below it, shows the Vf-4 with a fast pack.
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