2013-07-08, 13:50 | Link #41 |
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Hah there are many ways to defeat accel... Especially after he got his chocker
1. Use ability to remove oxygen, suffocate him 2. Make him exhaust, possible by real strong man gang him up 3. Use magic or unknown attack which accel dont know its vector law 4. Use curse magic 5. Use touma's "extend my right arm" 6. Kiiihaaaaraaaaa kuuuuun 7. Surprise him, maybe he will surprised and his heart will stop beating 8. It would be cool if awaki can teleport accel heart and then smash it like what killua did 9. Attack him with attack that powerful enough to make accel concentrate 100% on it and then turn off his passive barrier just like when he save last order Though its become super near-impossible level after he got his black and white wing Dont know if there are another strategy, im not sure misaka 19990-20.000 can beat him. I mean look, we know dat clone not very smart or dumb. Shared memory of 10.030 attempt and still surprised when the bullet repelled? Fvk that misaka imotos are idiot -_- well, despite being idiot over 10.000 time and just spam gun and electric, 10.032 is a fvkin genius to suffocate accel -_- if the 20.000th imoto fight accel and have power output of mikoto, maybe she coukd beat him with some kind strategy and use dat cocky personality of overpowered accel. Too bad mikoto is normal student who dont know anything about dark side. If mikoto join dark side, she could gain battle experience and become super strong... Well dont know about mugino... Despite being a pro, she is Fvkin idiot who only spam her beam gundam laser |
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Where is that said?
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2013-07-08, 20:34 | Link #44 | |
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It'd never written anywhere because Kamachi expects you to understand it without needing to be told. Please don't pull the bad-writing card again, explaining every little easy-to-figure-out thing would be the bad writing
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2013-07-08, 21:08 | Link #45 | |
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As for bad writing, I will repeat: Kamachi sucks as a writer. I have read plenty of novels translated from Japanese into English. I am usually rather forgiving, because I can tell that things get lost in translation. That is not the case here. Kamachi sucks as a writer, and I don't really care if you fanboys say otherwise. He lectures the reader, which is annoying as all get out. He repeatedly likes to deceive the reader into thinking a character is villain before revealing it was a misunderstanding - which would be okay, except that he flat out tells you that the character is a villain before telling you later that it wasn't true after all. (Plus after the third or fourth time happening it becomes rather predictable and boring). It's one of the reasons why his insistence on telling instead of showing is so terrible. If you show a character doing something and thus deceive the reader it's because the reader is making the same misjudgement as the protagonist. If you use an omniscient view to tell the reader one thing, and then later say it was untrue - that's just bad writing. His plots are confusing (with a few exceptions, such as the Sister's Arc). He rarely shows character development through actions, instead just dumping on you the "inner thoughts" of the characters as they do some navel gazing. It's not exactly a secret that his writing is terrible. The western author he reminds me most of is George Lucas. Great imagination and creativity, but he really needs co-authors to polish his work into something smoother and better refined. The Railgun manga is an example of this occurring.
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2013-07-08, 21:27 | Link #46 |
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It's not subtly it's just plain not feeling the need to explain. If Accelerator could turn off his reflection he would have. There's literally no need to bring that up in any way. Does he feel the need to explain that Kamijou can't turn off his imagine breaker?
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2013-07-09, 00:07 | Link #50 | |
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Like I said. His weaknesses are probably his ego and his naivety at the fact that the clones are actually human. Accelerator separates the experiment from his personal life... he doesn't like to kill "good, innocent" humans. So: beating him up even a little and psychologically traumatizing him might work? BTW: answering Sackett's point briefly anyway... in a way that relates to to defeating Accelerator: Spoiler for Accelerator vs. that Kihara analysis of battle; basically what chaos says 2 posts down.... ;):
So I don't see why you guys' are really having the argument in the first place... Last edited by dniv; 2013-07-09 at 02:59. |
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2013-07-09, 03:01 | Link #53 | |
I’m sorry, Kamijou-san!!
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All I want to say is that it was no plot hole. Back to the topic on hand, I wonder if Accel could fight off telepathy? I'm inclined to think he can since Mikoto can so it's obviously something that can be 'blocked' but does anybody know for sure?
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2013-07-09, 12:16 | Link #57 |
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I actually feel a bit skeptical about the idea of suffocating him. We all know that Accelerator can control any vectors, even at submolecular level. If he were to be in a situation where all the oxygen around is sucked out, the guy might as well create oxygen himself out of something else by rearranging electrons, nuclei, quarks and so on right?
And going by that logic he can regenerate himself if any part of his body (except vital ones) gets blown off in battles? |
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2. Before the choker this is practically impossible. After the choker, sure, if you have enough people than he can't take in 15 (later 30) minutes. This time limit is his first weakness but you need to be strong enought o survive against him that long and still have strenght to beat him. Spoiler for LN spoiler:
3. Unknown vector like Dark Matter would take a few tries for Accelerator to incorporate them to his Reflect, so sure, an attack powerful enough to kill him in one blow would work. Spoiler for LN spoiler:
4. We still don't know how "curse" magic works. If the curse magic doesn't have vector Spoiler for LN spoiler:
5. Ignoring that 6. Ignoring that(Though if you'r referring to Amata's technique, then yes, this is his third weakness) 7. Ignoring that. 8. We don't know much about how teleporters work in Toaru save the fact that they calculate on the 11th dimension, but they still have vectors so no. 9. The strenght of the attack should be irrelevant to Reflect. It's not a big calculus to just invert the movement vector The situation with Last Order was special because he was basically working at neuronal level erasing the virus. Quote:
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