2012-07-18, 14:36 | Link #41 | |
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personally i think each summon species should have had a sage mode , the uchiha cats, 3rrd Hokage monkey etc etc. It's only fair
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2012-07-18, 14:51 | Link #42 |
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People shouldn't try to further analysis stuff like this with the earliest chapters of the manga.....
The author obviously thought up and retconned many things throughout the manga. Heck, Jiraiya's Sage Mode was introduced during the Pain Arc. It wasn't even hinted before that. Which I chuckle at the thought. The term Legendary Sages of Three was originally about 3 ninjas who made a reputation of itself to the Kohana village because of skills - not because they can transform into Super Seiyan with overpowering and inhuman jutsus that can hollow mountains and single-handedly destroy a village. I can't help myself but to say that the Naruto manga has gone sour like many mangas that last this long. Characters are just too damn powerful and the laws of Jutsus are contradicted all the way to characterization. For Example: Naruto He was originally a talentless Ninja whos talent is perseverance!! No matter how many people taunts and devalues him he always seeks for acknowledgement and to become better. Throughout the manga he is always portrayed as having a difficulty to learn techniques and most importantly didn't have a BLOODLINE LIMIT!!! Not anymore! Now he has the Uzamaki bloodline limit for him to sense movements through chakra flow - like visual tracking from the Sharingan. Also, Uzamaki is a clan in which we never heard of. Now we see Naruto spamming Nine-Tails mode chakra fighting Tobi! He was sweating and bloodied before and magically recovers and was able to activate Tails Mode again even though he was mentioned he couldn't do it anymore a chapter or two ago. == Naruto = Tail-Mode Spammer Sasuke = Susannoo Spammer Don't these fools have a limit? |
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Where i was wrong is that Orochimaru couldn't possibly have senjutsu chakra because he was never a sage, but as it was pointed out Orochi could have trained that to some low level, similarly to Naruto being able to produce something using the special frog oil. Orochimaru obviously has experimented on Juugo's DNA, so he could have also cheated like the use of oil is in Naruto's case, the CS itself is such a "cheating". Quote:
I think sage mode was meant to be an ultimate power, just like MS and tailed-beast mode. So it should be very rare to find and almost impossible to master. |
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2012-07-18, 15:39 | Link #46 | |
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Even more fun would be to have a few chapters of agony and tragedy where most of the cast is killed off, and then it turns out it was all an illusion. If it's only an illusion then Kishimoto can really go to the extremes without killing anyone. BTW Tobi's solution reminded me of the ending of the NGE anime |
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2012-07-18, 15:47 | Link #47 |
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The problem is not that if its make sense, is that every conflict and plot made about Akatsuki until now was flushed down the toilet, stuff on how they needed 3 days of the complete Akatsuki team to seal one tail beast, how not having Orochimaru made it slower, how Chakra was important to this process; all of this was baasically overlooked and the solution to the problem Kishi had at hand was solved in no more than two pages with little to no effort from Tobis part.
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2012-07-18, 16:00 | Link #48 |
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OR... There is a reason why Tobi wanted the complete 10-tails. Him settling for an incomplete one might be his last resort and may actually be a gamble (because maybe the incomplete 10-tails isn't as unstoppable as the complete one is?). Of course, Tobi wouldn't just say "And now I will go with the lesser version which is a bit of a risk" because of course that would tip off his enemies that he definitely CAN be stopped.
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2012-07-18, 16:00 | Link #49 | |
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1. He wears a mask to hide his identity 2. He has a significant amount of knowledge about and influence I think the Obito theory is absolutely ridicolous. Aside from a somewhat similar name where is the connection? Are we really to believe that little snot-nosed Obito with his face crushed by a boulder and left for dead some how grew up to become a major player in the fate of the ninja world? And a villain at that. How would Obito know the history of Konoha, know Madara, gain so much power and manipulate some many powerful ninja? Realistically if Obito some how survived the incident that presumably killed him at best he would be Kakashi's equal not a Ninja master mind approaching the power of a God. I've been leaning towards him being Madara's brother but if so why hide his face from the current generation of Ninja? Tobi's identity is unknown and he doesn't want to make a name for himself. He is an ideologue obsessed with control who wants to bring about peace by taking away everyone's free will. I think when everything is cleared up Tobi will probably be a character we can sympathize with. But I don't think it's Obito. Obito was at peace with himself when he was dying. Besides Obito was a major inspiration for Kakashi. Tobi has impacted so many lives and Naruto is the hero of this story so I think whoever Tobi is he is much more connected to the major events in the Ninja world than Obito who was just Kakashi's teammate when he was a child.
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2012-07-18, 16:18 | Link #50 |
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I dont see Obito doing all this too.
He could been saved, and learned all of the things tobi knew. However, whats the motivation? Revenge on kakashi? Rin? Minto? the village? He made peace with himself, and have kakashi his eye to help him, or to live with Kakashi to help him see the world. at this point, I think Tobi is more of a different character..like How vader was different then Anakin. |
2012-07-18, 16:58 | Link #51 |
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Obito actually died with a fair amount of regret...ch 244 pg 2
He even openly expressed a desire to change the shinobi world...ch 241 pg 4 (maybe that changed when kakashi showed up to help, I dunno) I don't know what kishi will do, but obito (or his body)is a legitimate contender...I'm not waiting for the mask to come off. It came off during the konan fight...I'm not sure what everybody else was looking at. ....
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2012-07-18, 17:27 | Link #52 | |
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the obito theory isn't just about obito. it also involves madara's chakra which accounts for the knowledge and ability tobi possesses.
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1) writing: the names tobi and obito are very similar. the timeliness of kakashi gaiden and tobi's introduction 2) body: placement of eyes, heavy damage to body, use of zetsu body which could account for how obito's body was preserved, similar vortex MS techniques as Kakashi who has obito's other eye 3) knowledge: knows kakashi and gai's personalities as if he was from their generation. knows all about kakashi's kamui technique and said it was useless against him. knows a lot of things madara would have known 4) personality: tobi has shown 2 distinct personalities and voices. the playful one resembles obito not taking things seriously. the serious one is akin to madara 5) theme: if tobi is in part obito then it fits the running theme of student/student relationships and student/teacher relationships and fights. he 'killed' his teacher minato and is now facing off against his comrade kakashi. that echoes orochi vs sarutobi, pain vs jiraiya, sasuke vs naruto, etc... 6) tobi never tried to take kakashi's sharingan. why? also it is just too fitting to have kakashi involved in this fight in which he doesn't belong otherwise haters gonna hate... to not even acknowledge the theory as possible and reasonable at this point is just silly and stubborn edit: also, let me just point out that gai has met tobi's true identity/face. that eliminates almost every other theory Last edited by itachi-san314; 2012-07-18 at 17:38. |
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2012-07-18, 18:09 | Link #53 | |
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So i think the question should be how could Obito's character fit into the story and what purpose would it serve to make him Tobi. Also how can it fit in the story so far. For example Tobi encountered both Kakashi and Minato, but there was never any hint that he could be Obito. If he were Obito why would he fight and try to kill his former sensei without even saying half a sentence about their past. Why would Kishimoto ruin Obito's sacrifice by making him a final villain? Why would a character that is connected only to Kakashi be the final villain in a story that's about Naruto? I'm still sticking with my earlier post, until someone can come up with a really good reason. |
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2012-07-18, 19:07 | Link #54 |
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Because it is so boring. Tobi=Obito was a theory most fans thought of seconds after Tobi was introduced, but immediately rejected because only a hack writer would so lazily write such a storyline. In the end, if Tobi is Obito, then Kishimoto would have put more creative thought into jerking his audience around on the issue rather than the creative thought required to actualy come up with something interesting.
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But with that said, there is one sharp thorn in the side of the Tobito theory. The ninetails attack. As we saw, Tobi attacked kohona with the ninetails 15 years ago. This would have been After otito's "death" but it would have been too soon for him to have acquired Madara's powers (plus he would have been to young and short to fit the role)... So the only way for Obito to be tobi would be is that tobi that attacked back then was a different tobi, or if Tobi is some kind of entity that's been pulling some kind of body switching-trick like orochimaru to keep himself alive and young and thus saved obito so that he could use him as his latest host... either that, or maybe the sharingan has time travel powers now... Which by that point we are getting quite ridiculous, and now things are feeling rather convoluted
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2012-07-18, 20:44 | Link #56 | |
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Obito was supposed to have been dead. He died in Kakashi Gaiden Mini arc. He was smashed under so many rocks. So it was understandable that many argued against the theory. I was personally in the Tobi is obitio bandwagon mainly because Naruto is an anime/manga and it is not rare for people have been shown to be dead to some how revive later. Also there were many/some subtle hints that he was Obito through out the series. One of the which was when i talked about how i felt ( in manga chapter 502 discussion ) How Tobi was acting very familiar with Yondaime. But yet again, It is not 100 percent confirmed yet. He could still be some one else. I am personally leaning toward him being Obito but from this chapter i don't think Tobi being Rin is too far fetched either. It could be any one really . P.S. I keep trying to stop reading the Manga and just follow the anime but the urges to know what happens always gets the better of me. Maybe from the next chapter i will stop reading the manga *_*.
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The main problem of this theory beside, as James put it, the sheer boringness of it all was that it made no sense for many reasons including a complete lack of motive, a huge difference in power, a completely different personality, a inexplicably vast amount of knowledge and many chronological inconsistencies like the fact that Tobi has been around since before Obito was even born. But then it's a shounen world and the impossible is only marginally less likely than the normal. |
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