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2012-07-27, 13:12 | Link #42 | |
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Your statement is not supported by anything in the anime. We know that Kyoto was retaken (somehow) but that Yui was an invalid at the time and did not participate at all. We know nothing of what she did in the intervening 3 years. There is no evidence she "was on the front lines" or that she got her promotions "because she is good at what she does." The only combat experience we are shown is her disastrous initial encounter with BETA, where she only survives due to luck and the actions of others. |
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2012-07-27, 13:32 | Link #44 |
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Xellos, you're trying to distract from the point Trajan is raising.
Has she more combat time than Yuuya? Yes. Does that automatically make her better? No. A Somali thug will have more combat time than a SEAL instructor. Said SEAL instructor will kick his ass.
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2012-07-27, 13:54 | Link #45 | |
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1. Father was someone important in the military 2. Uncle is a colonel of some importance involved in developing military prototypes (what's the XFJ project developing btw?) 3. Family has a privileged position as a vassal of the Shogun 4. Was a good trainee, probably near the top of her class (in dueling other TSFs at least). 5. Was totally overwhelmed in combat and unable to function well tactically and emotionally on the battlefield. Beyond that, it's all guessing. Based on the five points above, it would make the most sense that Yui is a competent pilot who lacks tactical awareness, and although not blatantly unqualified for her posting, she most likely got it over other candidates due to her family name. Of course, since series seems to have somewhat of a pro-nationalist bent to it, she'll probably turn out to be an exceptional pilot whose "spiritual superiority" allows her to defeat the arrogant foreigner Yuuya and show him that the Japanese way is the best. |
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2012-07-27, 14:11 | Link #47 | |
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I'm asking seriously here. People in this thread and others keep claiming she has all this experience and skill, but where's the evidence for that? That she isn't dead? That five years ago she beat another 16 year old girl in TSF kendo? |
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2012-07-27, 14:21 | Link #48 |
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How about you cool down a little? You and we do not have any evidence of what experience she have earned during those three years. Just because she have not a spectacular performance during the battle of Kyoto doesn't mean that she is a subpar soldier either. We are in the blind right now, and have to trust what the next episodes are going to show.
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2012-07-27, 14:22 | Link #49 | ||
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The XFJ plan is to develop the next Main stream TSF that will become the Backbone force of the IJA- Imperial Japan Army. And to replace the Type 94 shiranui. And as part of the Imperial Royal guards---the direct military arm that can only be ordered by the Shogunate. They are held as more"elite" than the Regulars in the IJA. And i would assume that as a frontline country fighting in a war for survival, Japan would not be in the business of keeping Incompetent officers in key positions so most likely in this show she is going to be the type of pilot that like you said is going to one who have achieved "spiritual superiority" and will kick a lot of ass because of it. also minor spoiler because this part was literally in the prologue of the novels ,but the anime choose to skip over it. Spoiler for Why yui was chosen for this position.:
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Also considering that i have seen grown man becoming gibbering wrecks after their first IED strike experience in Afghanistan, i won't blame some 14 year old Japanese girl for being emotionally and mentally overwhelmed by what she had to face with during her first taste of combat. In fact i would categorize that has having done pretty well. Last edited by Angrypokstick; 2012-07-27 at 14:44. |
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2012-07-27, 14:42 | Link #50 | |
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While for Yuuya all we have that he's a supposed ACE yet in the training he's defeated by Tarisa and in the simulation he utterly failed hard. That can be chalked off that Tarisa had the better TSF(Which Yuuya has no idea how to use anyway) but his failure in the simulation was beyond horrible considering that even novices know that you never allow yourself to get surrounded or stay in one place. Fighting BETA means constantly moving which was something Yuuya did not do that all. Had Yui's team been more experienced, and not just a bunch of Green Teenagers, they wouldn't have allowed that to happen and wouldn't have been swarmed. Yuuya on the other hand is not green to simulations(Though he has never faced that many BETA) yet he still makes novice mistakes which Yui knows would have got him killed on a real battlefield because of her experiences on the war front. |
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2012-07-27, 14:49 | Link #52 |
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the point was that if it was a one versus one he would have lost. He was fully mounted and had damages to all over his TSF. there was no chance he could have survived and reversed the position if Stella did not intervene in time.
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2012-07-27, 14:57 | Link #54 |
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That still doesn't change that Tarisa dominated him in the exercise. Stella manages to defeat not only her opponent but Tarisa as well making it clear how far she is compared to Yuuya since unlike him she has real combat experience.
Which is why Yui didn't like what she saw since had Tarisa not taken a moment to brag she would have taken him out completely. Which means in a real battle Yuuya was as good as dead since the BETA don't gloat, they kill. |
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Spoiler for a bit off-topic from discussing Yui, but Yuuya v. Tarisa:
Back to Yui. I guess my problem is that her character in the anime has gone from crying noob to cold-hearted uberpilot with not exposition or explanation. I know the first two episodes are anime-original, and I think they do a good job of world-building and introducing the BETA. However, it makes a bit of a mess of Yui as a character to take her from frightened greenhorn to grizzled emotionless vet without any explanation of what got her there. Sure, you can say "she saw her friends die", and maybe that explains why she is so distant, but it doesn't explain how she becomes a (supposedly) competent pilot. [Contrast that with Yuuya, where we know, through a few lines of dialogue, that he has an outstanding record and prior experience as a test pilot.] |
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2012-07-27, 15:15 | Link #56 |
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It's assumed for the Anime, the other sources are more clear that Yui has plenty of combat experience. The next episode preview also hints heavily that Yuuya is going to get his ass handed to him by Yui which is expected since she actually knows what she's doing.
Those maneuvers would have got him killed if a Laser Class was around. Not to mention that Tarisa did defeat him, if she didn't gloat he would have been disabled completely on top of getting his TSF trashed. And other targets? The only other target was Stella which her partner was supposed to be handling. So Yuuya didn't win(Since he was completely demolished by Tarisa), Stella did(Who took out both TSF's and was relatively unscathed). Maybe because she's been on the front lines for 3 years? Or have you forgotten that Japan is strapped for pilots and has to deal with massive BETA waves while America is mostly unscathed? |
2012-07-27, 15:30 | Link #57 |
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Once again completely out of context of the exercise. This was a partner tsf vs tsf. Where superior tactics and team work beat raw skill. No matter how you spin it. Yuuya was still alive. When your opponent is still alive they are still a threat until you finish them. Tarisa's failed that and lost.
Anyhow I'm pushing this off topic. The next episode should be enlightening to say the least. |
2012-07-27, 15:41 | Link #58 |
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Ahh, so really what you're saying is that there is no evidence that anime-Yui has combat experience, but LN-Yui does, therefore anime-Yui must have combat experience. That's fine I guess, and as YF19EX said above, maybe next episode will bring that in. For franchises like these, if you've only watched the anime, it's hard to tell sometimes whether others are arguing their point of view based on what they've seen on the screen, or what they've read elsewhere and then use to fill in gaps in the anime.
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2012-07-27, 15:51 | Link #59 |
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Tarisa had a partner that was supposed to be handling Stella. Stella proved to be the better pilot and takes out her opponent than takes out Tarisa after Tarisa beat Yuuya rather easily. Yuuya's team may have won but he himself didn't and his reckless actions would have gotten him killed many times over on a real battlefield. Which is why he disappoints Yui because of how green he is despite all his training.
Uhh.. Did you not watch the first two episodes? She does have experience and has been fighting ever since. You know since Japan is a War Zone which everyone makes a point of saying. Even the other characters mention that America has is easy compared to the BETA effected zones. |
2012-07-27, 16:02 | Link #60 |
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Japan in such desperate need of a new TSF because BETA invasion (which we saw in episodes 1 and 2) cost her losing of 36 millions of populace, that was didn't mentioned in anime, but pretty much repeated in original VN. That's why Yui so adamant in bringing out results.
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