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2007-01-31, 18:22 | Link #42 | |
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kaien's siblings kukaku and ganju, ashamed by their big brother's death at the hands of a no name hollow, unable to come to terms with the reality that is his brother's weakness, distanced themselves from others and used shinigami especially rukia as psycological scapegoats to make themsleves feel better. pre-houguyoku failed experimental regular monstrous hollow is about as weak as it gets as far as hybrids go. in reality kaien dishonored himself and his clan when he lost to this crap, failing to avenge his wife. rukia didn't just do the right thing, she did the possessed kaien a favor, ending his misery. kukaku should have thanked her, but that's too humiliating for her big ego, so she chose to live in denial. it's like, one's policeman father died a lame death slipping down a flight of stairs and the "infuriated" family finding all excuses to sue the police department/his partner for "justice". deep down they'll remember the lame ass as one who died a heroic death, battling concrete stairs byakuya as the head of the dominating kuchiki clan and one of the strongest in its history has no talent compared to ichigo. whatever ichigo is, it's most unlikely that he's even an elite member of some noble clan, let alone crappy kaien's reincarnation. news flash people, kaien didn't loose to emokid arrancar, or uber boss, he got his ass kicked by some below GF level failed trash. anyone who can defeat d-roy is stronger than kaien, therefore rukia, renji, ikkaku >> kaien. the only reason as far as i can see for his 1 year graduation and quick VC status is family connection |
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2007-01-31, 18:52 | Link #45 |
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Ichigo can easily manifest back another Zangetsu ( Zanpakuto == Manifestation of One's Soul Power ) . He joined his Broken Zanpakuto aginst Zaraki did'nt he . And when it comes to Reatsu Ichi is a reservoir .
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2007-01-31, 19:11 | Link #46 | |
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A: obviously, because they're NOT STRONG bruce lee's special techniques works well on man, but not a grizzly, it's as simple as that. aizen deemed them failed experiments because they're WEAK and no amounts of special abilities can make up for lack of power. bleach characters comes with different shapes and abilities, but in the end reiatsu/power overcomes all. jidanbo is HUGE, yumichika has an "uber ability", but that won't prevent yamaji or kenpachi from pwning them in no time. and just because little kaien's zanpakutou was snatched doesn't mean everyone elses will, obviously. what do you think if isshin was facing that hollow? plus who said ichigo needs zangetsu to fight? he takes out shikai VC class people like ants using hands. and don't forget there's getzuga tensho |
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2007-01-31, 20:29 | Link #47 |
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Most likely reincarnation but I don't think KT would make such a obious twist like that. He better explain "Why they look so similar" or else I'll scream.
It'll be soooo stupid if the story just ended like "Ichigo looks similar to Kaien but there isn't a connection between them. End of story" how gay would that be! |
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the only facts I have been able to find out about Kaien from going over volumes 10 through 16 are: - he passed the entrance exan for the Academy in 1 try - his spirit energy level was at par with the then current VC of the 13 division - He finished the 6 years worth of curriculum in 2 years - 5 years later he became a VC - Ganjyu has never been around Shinigami other then his brother and the person who return his body (Rukia) and went with Ichigo to see what they were like. All of the other noble houses live inside the inner city and would be around a large number of shinigami - Kaien was the eldest member of the clan at the time of his death - Helping Urahara excape in to exile was not a crime big enuff to get the Shihouin clan kicked out of the Nobles but Soi Fong stated that helping Ichigo was, Meaning it would take a near rebelion to fall from grace. and makes your statement of being throwen out because Kaien was taken over by a hollow and had to be killed moronic. Quote:
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if you haven't realized until now, no one's talking about kaien because of his strength, only because of his resemblance to the shounen hero, which is about the only thing remotely impressive with this dead guy. you know it's pathetic what we have is: kaien's + wife + whole squad = wasted by 1 hybrid hollow, and Spoiler:
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2007-02-01, 03:49 | Link #52 |
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Quoting the wiki is generally a good way to spread random ideas. It means nothing. There are many "facts" in the wiki which are merely wild speculation. There is no evidence that the Shiba clan's fall has anything at all to do with Kaien. If there is some evidence, I'd dearly love to know what the source is.
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2007-02-01, 04:19 | Link #53 |
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don't you get it? i'm talking about their hatred, especially the need of an apology from rukia, and the FACT that kaien+wife+squad got wasted by a failed experiment. kukaku is clearly living in denial, regardless of the status of the shiba clan.
the special abilities of a failed regular hollow won't make it anywhere near actual hougyoku creations. otherwise instead of calling them failed experiments, aizen would have called the hougyoku a failed device, it's obvious logic. people sure are messing things up: aizen went the hybrid path because he believe that offers him the most power, not because "he's just a tech guy who dreamed about perfect shinigami-hollow mixes regardless of their strength". |
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Other points in on Kaien haveing nothing to do with the fall of the Shiba's. Soi Fong implied that Yoruichi knew what the fall of the Shiba clan was like which would mean it would have happend before she left SS over 100 years ago since Soi Fong had no information that Yoruichi ever return to SS after she and At the very least over 50 years before Kaien's death. Last edited by kagato3; 2007-02-01 at 13:51. |
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[QUOTE=kagato3;818844]Lets see chapters 190 - 222 she has been shown in
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what isshin hates the most is not the hollow who killed masaki, or the shinigami who was responsible for karakura at that time, it's HIS OWN inability to protect his wife, even though he didn't have any powers at the time, because he's a MAN. only sissies go all the way to find excuses and dump blame and hatred on others kukaku should have apologized/thanked rukia on behalf of her brother, she should have apologized to ukitate for letting him down. it's humiliating indeed, but admitting the humiliating fact like the germans is way better than living in denial like the japs. Quote:
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yachiru's also "in charge" of the female shinigami, and tasuki also abuses ichigo, doesn't mean shit. what we see in real battles is that vaizard hiyori was crushed like an ant by hollow ichigo in shikai mode with a single hand and scared shitless. and she was totally EXPECTING the hollow. compare that to byakuya's composure against UNEXPECTED hollow ichigo in BANKAI or one armed unreleased grimmjow against UNEXPECTED VAIZARD (that's hollow+shinigami powers) ichigo in BANKAI. you find me another leader in bleach this lame and i'll agree with you. |
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2007-02-03, 13:12 | Link #60 | |
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Besides, as Ganju would say, Shiba Kaien is a bit too chummy (same goes for Kuukaku and Ganju). Ichigo is (was) rather solitary and not that talkative. |
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