2009-12-09, 09:07 | Link #41 |
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Youtube, actually:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Robotechtehbest I get the feeling he's actually a Macross fan PRETENDING to be a rapid Robotech fan. |
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2009-12-11, 20:07 | Link #43 | |
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My friend what you have been told on the RT fan boards is misleading. Tatsunoko owns the "Maker's Rights" to SDFM, which means they own the animation that they created for the series, outside of Japan. BigWest has "Author's Rights" what we call here "Intellectual Property" rights, which means the story, the designs, the franchise itself is owned by those who created it. Harmoney Gold can only own what Tatsunoko can sell and that is title to the animation itself. One of the reasons I believe all subsequent Macross shows tend to reference art and scenes from DYRL and not SDFM. HG owns an erroneous trademark on a name that they have tenuous legal rights to. The only way they could control the importation of Macross named productions in the West and protect their little RT franchise from superior BigWest productions. To further their control they've gotten into bed with Manga Entertainment, the only other licenser of Macross material in the US. |
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2009-12-11, 20:24 | Link #44 | |
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They abandoned the franchise in the 90's due to lack of interest and the better ROI on doing their regular business of import sales. It wasn't until DVD became mainstream and the Anime market matured that they started peddling the show again. |
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2009-12-12, 07:52 | Link #45 |
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A one year anniversary before a response.
http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/inde...dpost&p=798935 All there is to know about Macross IP rights. @Yot-chan I've seen this idiot's claims ripped to pieces at 4chan's /m/. For that matter anything Robotech. |
2009-12-12, 18:00 | Link #46 |
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I find it rather surprising that nobody ever posted the original court documents, but they are located here
It is actually a bit more in depth than what was written in Macross World. The original case is the pdf file on the left, with supplementary documents to the right. Two most notable sections of the court ruling are: Which states that Tatsunoko Productions possesses the rights to merchandising and licensing of SDF: Macross overseas while obtaining all of the profit generated from the overseas market only. However, the oft-missed point is that, domestic profit is to be shared. So yes, Tatsu gets a piece of the pie for the domestic market, as well. Then here is the other key factor: This article indicates that Studio Nue possesses the intellectual property rights listed from index 1 - 41 of the supplementary material. They are the sole party able to utilize the properties listed from 1 - 41 and manipulate the said properties as they see fit. This excludes Tatsunoko Productions entirely. No where on the court document indicates that Tatsu has the right to manipulate the original series or any of its sequels internationally and/or domestically. Therefore, it certainly does not give them the right to all future derivatives of Macross overseas. That was not part of the original document. Based on my personal interpretation, this may also mean that HG committed an illegal act by creating Robotech or the more recent Shadow Chronicles. So this is the original court statement and proceeding document. Does it change anything? Not quite, but since I never saw a single post of the original document, I suppose I should do that for everyone. Again, no legal action was brought against HG for obvious profit reasons. To be honest, I am less interested in seeing Macross merchandise legally being retailed here than to actually see Harmony Gold choke on its own words and burn in legal hell. - Tak
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Also, preventing a Robotech movie would be high on my list. Although, as people discussed extensively ( only 60+ pages for the first thread. ) on MW, it'd probably be a re-imaging which has the "Robotech" title slapped on it.
And welcome back, Tak. Get yourself over to the light novel thread, where important developments have happened. I want your opinions on them.
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2009-12-12, 20:59 | Link #48 |
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The court documents were discussed in depth in older versions of the thread on MW. Feel free to read it at leasure but it's a massive thread.
The way I understand it, the current status quo after the lawsuit in Japan is in short: Big West/Studio Nue and Tatsunoko share the copyright to SDFM, Big West and SN own the moral rights which is pretty much the designs and the right to make derivatives (aka authors right), Tatsunoko owns the economic rights which translates in them owning the footage of SDFM. Tats controls the distribution of SDFM ouside of Japan and has the world wide merchandise licensing rights again outside of Japan due to the original production agreements. Which in turn allowed HG as a licensee to use the footage and edit it but not create any derivatives other then merchandise (which oddly contains books comics and videogames). This explains why games like RT: Battlecry can use Macross character designs but RT animated sequels like Sentinels and Shadow Chronicles can't. The problem with Harmony Gold is that they trademarked the name "Macross" in 1999-2001 in North America and most of Western Europe. The trademarks allows HG to prevent the sale of any shows or merchandise using the name Macross in these countries without HGs consent. Big West tried to get the trademark in the US at the same time as HG but the trademark agency awarded it to HG. HG recently prolonged all those trademarks (they last 10 years) to the end of the next decade. |
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Last year, Catalyst Game Labs (successors to FASA as owners of the Battletech franchise) announced that they had received licenses to resume use of the anime-derived mecha designs they had dropped use of. At first they stated they had recovered licenses for all of the original art, including the items from Macross, Dougram, and other licensees.
They then retracted that announcement, stating that they were not able to proceed with the Macross designs but did confirm their rights to the other licensed material. Part of the announcement stated that they had been presented with what purported to be a closed legal decision granting Palladium Books permanent exclusive rights to any Macross-derived game material in the US. Does anyone have more detail on this? Verification? |
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Looks like I'll wake the thread after seven years.
Stuff happened! Harmony Gold visited the courts again and went after Harebrained Schemes regarding the new Battletech game and there's been rather a lot of confusion. But documents surfaced regarding arbitration with Tatsunoko and Tatsunoko's countersuit and... good grief. Here's a looooooooong reading of documents. Summaries and such around the 50 minute mark. |
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Since no small part of the entire legal FUBAR is Tatsunoko's own fault from ~34 years ago, there is a touch of schadenfreude there from watching them end up in the middle of this thing. |
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Spoiler for HG vs. ... whoever has/is using mecha designs which are far identical to RT franchise...:
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