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Personally, I don't give a rats-arse if he lives or dies...but I think he lived, simply blacked out as he was being carried away. Notice that I said that I think he lived, but it is my opinion, I never stated it as a fact. Quote:
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In the previous arc for example, she healed Ichigo and a couple others for a bit but after being kidnapped by Stark, she didn't do anything till the end (not counting the emotional thing with Hollow Ichigo...) What about the SS arc? Saved by Ishida, befriended Yachiru and hanged around on Kenpachi's back...hell even the healing at the end was done by the 4th division. True, I admit that calling her completely useless was a bit much, but she does little compared to what she could actually do...she quickly turned, for me, into a pure (and a bit annoying) fan-service character that could easily be replaced by say...Hanataru most of the time, for example. |
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2011-12-28, 17:21 | Link #43 | ||||
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And fyi it’s best not to base your morals on a character that when batshit insane because of said morals (Of all the morals you could've picked you choose the one that Kubo isn't even trying to present as a good one?). In fact I’d recommend you stop reading Bleach altogether considering how much of an affect Kubo’s insane troll logic has had on your morals but I guess it’s too late for that. Quote:
1) He’s not a minor character: He’s the main antagonist of the arc and villain’s motives are pretty damn important. We know he wanted power but how do we know he just wanted to protect himself and others? It could’ve been that but it could’ve been anything else, including attacking Soul Society since he also told the other full bringers that he was going to change the world. We don’t know. 2) If we’re not supposed to care about Ginjou then why the sad sap bit from him whilst he was fighting? Why did he write crap like that if it was pointless? Waste more panels? He tried to make him look more sympathetic. And he failed. 3) Don’t need to know the minor details? Right yeah of course. Shit happens. Urahara made an ultimate omnipotent wish granting device that consquently drove the entire story and by sheer accident. No need to know how he managed to fucking do that. He just did. This is probably the biggest problem I have with Bleach. It’s skimpy on the details and that reflects poorly on Kubo’s ability to write a story. The best stories are those that pay a close attention to detail. Leaving out little details is like looking at a new but poorly made road with small and noticeable chips and potholes everywhere. You can tell the people who made that road are clearly not skilled or just didn’t bother. The little details matter. Plenty of authors don’t bother and that’s fair enough, but the sheer amount little details that Kubo can’t be arsed fixing is just unbelievable. The entire story is freaking littered with Handwaves. I'd also like to point out that we also don't know why Ginjou kept his Shinigami badge when he knew full well that it was being used to watch him and how he managed to get off Soul Societies radar when he still had the badge. Did he tamper with it? Then why didn't he also try and tamper with Ichigo to make sure they didn't find him through Ichigo? Is he a fucking moron or something? Quote:
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2011-12-28, 22:42 | Link #44 | |
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But either way, judging by Tsukishima's condition and state of mind, I don't think there's much chance of him making an appearance again soon. It's time for new villains. This seems to be a pretty clean break for the fullbring arc. It that's the case, then the upcoming chapters would begin the long (and supposedly final) arc of Bleach, which should have a large focus on Isshin.
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2011-12-29, 01:11 | Link #45 | |||
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Wasn't Harribel confirmed as being alive? Or was that just the anime?
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2011-12-29, 05:50 | Link #47 |
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Actually before the anime it was confirmed in a Data Book by Kubo himself. Which is a prime example of what I mean when I say, unless the author confirms it (either directly or through a scene or something) then we cannot state the fate of a character as a sure fact, we can only make assumptions.
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2011-12-29, 07:47 | Link #49 | |
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But the story did flesh out Soul Society's initial hostility towards Ichigo. Also, it's worth mentioning that just because Ginjou is dead doesn't mean that details about his past won't ever be brought up. Kubo does reference past events, even if it's just in snatches.
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But what ronin myael was asking for was not a Doylist answer you know. It's actually bad to have to resort to Doylist logic to answer things. Quote:
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2011-12-29, 15:18 | Link #52 |
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thank you! i was about to say that! what's the use of explaining when the story has already gone past its climax? this arc should give us answers, not more questions. kubo keeps digging himself into a deeper hole when he should be tying up loose ends. if this is supposed to be the second to the last arc of the whole series, it's about time he starts revealing answers to his "age-old" mysteries.
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2011-12-29, 15:39 | Link #53 | ||||
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You put "you're" where "I'm" should be Because you troll me every chance you get. (You're just not successful at it) You're not subtle either---I really hope that you're not under the illusion that you're subtle because you're anything but. TBH I wasn't trying to be subtle, I was only following your example--I was just being a wise ass. What can I say?... I learn from the BEST<33 Quote:
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Um I don't recall ever telling either of you, that I believed Harribel was dead. Especially since it was unbelievable to me that she could die from a minor wound like the one Aizen gave her. So your point is is NULL AND VOID Quote:
Tsukishima was not one, so it's safe to assume he did die As for GJ he's in this color page (gotta find link to color page) along with all the other dead guys Kubo stated in UnMasked that he actually intended to kill him much earlier on but his popularity forced him to keep him a while longer an he speaks as if he's dead. My experience is....if a character confirms he's dead (Like Matsu and Kira did Gin) fans will cry and say he could be alive and the character is mistaken If he dies in front of us, they will stay it's ambiguous and still try to show all the reasons he's alive. either way the debate will continue... |
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2011-12-29, 16:32 | Link #54 | ||
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2011-12-29, 20:20 | Link #55 | |||
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But really, all that's just beating around the bush. As far as progressing the plot, everything in this arc was secondary to Ichigo getting his powers back. I felt pointing that out was necessary to get beyond arguing the deeper implications of this arc because frankly, I think it's too easy to go in circles discussing it. Either this outcome is all we get, or the full impact from the events of this arc haven't been revealed yet. Quote:
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Kubo just hasn't provided closure for some characters. Some of them are pretty much dead for certain (Stark) and some of them are more than likely alive (Kensei, Nel)
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2011-12-30, 05:39 | Link #56 | |||
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We have the benefit of characters specifically saying he was dead which we could interpret as exposition. Naturally you don't have the privilege due to your insane belief that characters could "simply be lying" in order to explain retcons so thats kinda come back to bite you in the ass. Nevertheless, that's your problem. Not ours. Quote:
The fact of the matter is that we can not ever be sure someone is dead just because he looks dead in Bleach. We need specific character confirmation and even then that's not outright proof since Kubo can easily retcon it later. Also, Paratext is generally not a good way to confirm a character's death. I meant generally. It wasn't specifically directed at you. But yeah that's definitely "resorting" if we have no choice or if it's the best one. Quote:
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2011-12-30, 05:42 | Link #57 |
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I hope so -__- Hoping that Riruka sticks around for at least a bit longer though. She was one of the most interesting characters in this arc. Maybe Kubo won't do his dumb thing where characters just "disappear".. Yukio has almost the same eyes as Rukia. Just noticed that too heh
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whether kubo chooses to reveal these supposed secrets or save them for later doesn't really matter because the fact is, kubo wrote this arc badly. the whole arc just feels like random events that you can barely piece together to make out the slightest sense. i have no problems with mysteries. mysteries can be dragged out for several chapters without compromising the quality of the story if the writer knows how to present them in such a way that each scene/event becomes a piece of the puzzle that would come together by the time the arc ends. kubo doesn't need to go into a detailed explanation to give us the resolution that this arc needs.
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2011-12-31, 08:32 | Link #59 |
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hey guys
so you say the arc is finished with some unanswered questions? i hope they will give some answers in the next few parts. would love to know more about urahara and ichigo's father. i think that the arc in general was ok, loved it that ichigo got his powers back.. i think it's the best part of the manga when he discovers some new power in him and goes crazy fighting! i just hope there won't be a filler in the anime after this :/ though some of the fillers where actually good, i like the one with the zanbakutu rebellion. cheers and happy new year all! |
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