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View Poll Results: Macross Delta - Episode 22 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 8 | 23.53% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 6 | 17.65% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 3 | 8.82% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 14.71% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 7 | 20.59% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 4 | 11.76% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 2.94% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
Voters: 34. You may not vote on this poll |
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2016-08-28, 13:48 | Link #41 | |
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Good episode, we had character development, a new song, a good battle scene and the obligatory monster scene.
Finally one of the 6 knights died (Cassim ;_; ) but none of Delta was responsible for it lol, it's kind of weird and funny how Hayate was so worried about Cassim crashing but Cassim was about to kill Hayate if his body would have hold up a bit longer. Mirage was good in this episode too, so why is everyone angry about it? is it because it wasn't precious Freyja and Hayate alone resolving their problem? come on! Freyja didn't know how to fix their problem, nor did Hayate, they were thinking quitting was their only option, Mirage promised to help and she did. And no, I don't think their sychronization problem is resolved, Mirage helped this time, but they need to think about a permanent solution. Quote:
At this point I would say that Hayate is the worst main character in Macross when it comes to piloting skills, Alto, Gamlin (because Basara would just sing to him ), Hikaru and Shin would destroy him in a 1 vs. 1 fight without any Idol interferance, not to mention Isamu because that would be overkill.
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2016-08-28, 13:55 | Link #42 | |
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2016-08-28, 14:33 | Link #43 | |
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It's not painted in the light you're describing.
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Me neither. And I like defending Cassim even if he isn't one of my favorites in Delta (not even close to Messar) because I believe his end is very noble. |
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2016-08-28, 15:14 | Link #46 | |
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Because, at this point, although I know a dozen people on here wish for him to fall for her, I'd like her to develop towards accomplishing her original goals (or at least come close). I mean, Hayate and Freyja have both accomplished theirs (or most of them), meanwhile, I'm waiting for Mirage in this area. Right now, her falling in love with Hayate has distracted her from her original dream... which, is my major issue with Mirage. I know I said comparing Frontier and Delta is a bad idea; however, at least all three leads in Frontier had dreams and did something to achieve those dreams. How is Mirage achieving her initial dream? How is she becoming an ace pilot or building towards one? If she is, none of this is shown on screen. And I know this is a writing issue and I believe it's her downfall as a character. Her role is a "love interest" and no writer in the series believes she should even come close to achieving an ace pilot status. And it pisses me off because... I want so bad to like her. She had a good personality and it's all scrapped for a love triangle slot... And now, on the writing in Delta, I ironically wish this series could be written by Yoshino (even if I disagreed with Frontier's TV end and Guilty Crown's second half is a train wreck). |
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2016-08-28, 16:12 | Link #48 | ||
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Big Wow was the SLAP! Yes, THE Slap! And I got my first part of a Jenius fighting scene with her tag team partner Hayate. > Taaaaaak, here we go... All in all to be said. Delta wasn 't meant to be a singer pilot duo but a trio. And maybe an Harem ending? Quote:
Actually she is already an ace pilot and what only misses her is the "heart". With Hayate she has it now unlocked.
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2016-08-28, 16:14 | Link #49 |
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More like she and Freyja will have a little time to finally become friends...
Which is a secondary issue on the writing for Delta. Her friendship with Freyja is coming out of nowhere, honestly. In fact, when she calls both of them "important friends," I had a second where I literally paused said episode and proceeded to recall where Mirage and Freyja really developed a bond of friendship outside of episode 13 and 14 (discounting their original meeting because she did not really know her then). If I'm supposed to care for this "feel good" love triangle, at least if all three could come off as close friends, I'd be a little less annoyed by underdeveloped plot issues (because at least its characters could be a little three-dimensional). For instance, Hayate and Freyja are good friends, and Hayate and Mirage are comrades, (both sides equally for the role of love interest, too); but Mirage and Freyja do not really have scenes where either is shown talking like we received on Frontier with Sheryl and Ranka (hell, even the movies had less screen time and a friendship blossomed for them). It's a little depressing, really. Freyja has friendships with Hayate, Mikumo, Makina, Reina, Kaname, and Chuck based on screen time with each (she knows a bit about each of these characters to a point where she'll give her life for all of them); however, until episode 13 and 14, no relationship formed with Mirage and if not for Hayate, their comradery could not exist even outside of she's a Delta member who'll protect Walkure. Then episode 19 rolls around, and she complains to Hayate (who is unconscious) about not knowing how to confront Freyja, and all I do is face palm because this is her opportunity to learn how. Then episode 20 comes and once she admits both are "irreplaceable friends" (regardless on if the "I love you" is for Hayate or not), I'm with Freyja on being confused. And in this episode, she is once again speaking about something she personally has no idea about (it's an area she is not a part of because she doesn't resonate with Freyja or need her music to fly like Hayate); it's not calling her a meddler, I do believe her heart is in the right place; but at this point, I believe it's important for the original members of this relationship (Hayate and Freyja, plus Mikumo who encouraged it) to fix their issues on their own. And I believe if she'd intervened in this episode only (and not in episode 20), I'd be a little more accepting of her help in this episode because she allowed them time to resolve their issues on their own by talking to each other (especially because no plot points happen for like a week in episode 20 and 21 so there is time for both to discuss their issues accordingly). In this episode, Mirage shows how little faith she has in Hayate and Freyja overcoming their obstacles (especially since last episode she said "why can't you resolve this on your own?"). This is also a reason for hope in the next episode: Hayate will be burying Cassim and Mirage and Freyja can build up this friendship I hope for. However, at this point, it's likely a dying art: hoping for something in Delta. |
2016-08-28, 16:26 | Link #50 | |
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And if I am correct. Exact was: "And you're both important comrades to me. You're irreplaceable... and I love you." It wasn't "you're - BOTH - irreplaceable.."
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2016-08-28, 16:32 | Link #51 |
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And again, she is still addressing both because she never calls out one or the other when saying "I love you." In fact, she is continuing her first sentence by saying "you're irreplaceable" because again, she never addresses one or the other in more significance in her sentences. Therefore, it's justified why Freyja is confused and I sympathize with her on it.
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2016-08-28, 16:52 | Link #52 |
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Look the scenes again. I won't discuss this a second time because it gets tired to convince you shippers about the love triangle between them. If you don't want to believe it, so be it. Since you ship with Freyja, I can write the shit out of each episode you will always find a reason to find negative points about rival character. And like other you haven't understood that the relationship was more a bromance than a romance. it's also one sided. but you won't even see this in your shipping. This said. Good night.
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2016-08-28, 17:00 | Link #53 |
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We discussed this in the episode 20 thread prior and everyone agreed she is saying it to Hayate; however, viewer interpretation aside, her verb usage in Japanese and because she begins by telling them about how both are important to her (not specifically saying which one), the characters in said scene are reacting entirely different: Hayate is conflicted (and/or confused) and Freyja downright gasps in confusion.
You can argue viewer interpretation of said scene all you like, fact is: neither Hayate nor Freyja really grasped her confession in this scene, and I argue Freyja is as confused as Hayate is (even if he doesn't sound out his). |
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2016-08-28, 17:18 | Link #56 | |
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I think you're being a tad overdefensive over Mirage. I've said this in the past, just because a bond is important or the focus, it doesn't mean it'll be romantic. In Frontier, the most important relationship wasn't Alto/a girl, it was Sheryl's and Ranka's relationship (also the trio dynamics, but my point Kawamori said, iirc, he wanted to focus on those two's relationships above all, and called it a deep understanding that surpassed their relationship as rivals in love and song, etc, etc). And well, they weren't a romantic relationship, right? Frankly speaking, I thought the romance stuff cheapened the nice bond between Freyja and Hayate. Mirage is being developed in a triangle-centric way is either because she's either a throwaway character or, well, the love interest (or used for a random plot device like happened to Zessica in Evol, and I didn't see Mirage as relevant to the plot to warrant this so!). That has always been my stance. I just wished for her to be an interesting character too, but the writing has been terrible in general after episode 13.
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2016-08-28, 20:52 | Link #58 |
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Thanks for the clarification. Without translation, the entire situation was a bit of a mess. (When you only see a tiny sliver of each planet for a few seconds, it's easy to forget who's where.)
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2016-08-29, 04:18 | Link #59 |
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Mikumo is aiming for the Imouto route!
What happened between Cassim and Hayate furthers my theory it was the Windermereans own telepathic hostile intentions causes Var in other people. Hayate was keeping in control till he made contact with Cassim. If so the Aerial Knights are partly to blame for the loss of Carlisle. Their own hate for foreigners destroyed their people. History may repeat itself. Voldorians kicking Windermerean ass. What now that they are immune to tour mind hax? |
2016-08-29, 04:53 | Link #60 |
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My main theory was that their rune is main reason their lifespan short. Also most likely protoculture try to create a race can link mind using rune while enhanced their spatial awareness. However they found out the thing that make them powerful also shorten lifespan thus abandon experiment. Other words, Windermere are failed experiment. I wonder if my theory true and Windermere found out about it, are they willing to abandon their rune power to increase lifespan or not?
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