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Hiss13 · 2016-06-21, 23:21

Please be a faithful adaptation this time. I mean ?! was fun and all and it was what got me to even read Negima in the first place but I would rather not have another ?! or the XEBEC adaptation.

Oh, and please no A-1 Pictures. Please.

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Originally Posted by Endscape

Completely agree here. Some people are still upset about how Negima ended and never gave it a chance. Force had the same problem.

It's really a shame. I mean, I personally am still upset about how Negima ended but I still enjoy UQ Holder nonetheless.

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Originally Posted by Endscape

Yeah, I meant Force. I think a lot of people didn't give it a fair shake because it was different from what they got before, just like UQ Holder.

Ironically, Force was what got me into Nanoha and I personally enjoyed Force before it went on indefinite hiatus.

ramlaen · 2016-06-21, 23:37

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Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

the fact that he murdered all the other girls just to get to this story

Setting a spin-off/not-sequel 80 years later is not murdering the other girls, especially when around a third of them have made appearances.

Random Wanderer · 2016-06-22, 01:00

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Originally Posted by LoweGear

You keep using the word "murder", and yet the only thing that's happened is the passage of time, which makes all of the previous characters older, and thus logically no longer around unless they're immortals. It's not as if it's something that hasn't been done in other media before, especially ones that span entire generations.

Besides, given what's going to happen in the manga...

A passage of time that I found arbitrary and unnecessary and which seemed solely designed to kill off all the other characters (many of whom I liked a great deal) and leave the author to play with Eva (who I frankly could take or leave: my reaction-meter for her is pretty firmly at "meh"). Akamatsu controlled that time-skip: it was his choice to make it so that everyone besides his preferred girl was dead. I will keep calling him a murderer, because as far as I'm concerned that's what he is.

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especially when around a third of them have made appearances.

That's news to me. Last time I checked there may have been reports of one or two of them, but they weren't high on my list, and they were some of the non-human girls one might expect to have lived that long.

RDNexus · 2016-06-22, 01:42

Random Wanderer, please, that's being childish and butthurt.
You can't expect every kind of sequel to be a straight follow-up of the previous story.
And, once again, the thing with the my favorite character this or that...

ramlaen · 2016-06-22, 01:43

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Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

A passage of time that I found arbitrary and unnecessary and which seemed solely designed to kill off all the other characters (many of whom I liked a great deal) and leave the author to play with Eva (who I frankly could take or leave: my reaction-meter for her is pretty firmly at "meh"). Akamatsu controlled that time-skip: it was his choice to make it so that everyone besides his preferred girl was dead. I will keep calling him a murderer, because as far as I'm concerned that's what he is.

That's news to me. Last time I checked there may have been reports of one or two of them, but they weren't high on my list, and they were some of the non-human girls one might expect to have lived that long.

UQ Holder is not Negima, I am sorry that your waifu is not central to the story but you either have to get over it or move on.

LoweGear · 2016-06-22, 02:05

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Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

A passage of time that I found arbitrary and unnecessary and which seemed solely designed to kill off all the other characters (many of whom I liked a great deal) and leave the author to play with Eva (who I frankly could take or leave: my reaction-meter for her is pretty firmly at "meh"). Akamatsu controlled that time-skip: it was his choice to make it so that everyone besides his preferred girl was dead. I will keep calling him a murderer, because as far as I'm concerned that's what he is.

By this logic, the directors of MCU are also "murderers" for killing off Peggy because nearly 70 years has passed since WW2, and asking why they couldn't have just made Captain America be set in the 50's instead of the 21st Century.

Calling Akamatsu a "murderer" for a simple story timeskip is just frankly irrational, given the setting logic. There are other storytellers that deserve such titles, from Yoshiyuki Tomino to Urobochi Gen to Takahiro, since they're the ones best known for having their characters (sometimes even the well-liked ones) die onscreen in quite brutal ways. But this example for UQ Holder can hardly be construed as such, and no, simply liking a character who logically wouldn't appear due to the passage of time doesn't justify that particular label against the storyteller.

It's quite petty, and if I can describe it frankly, immature.

Marcus H. · 2016-06-22, 02:09

Meanwhile, both adaptations of Negima are still gathering dust on my backlog.

Can UQ be picked up safely by someone who is only exposed to both adaptations or it's better to extend to the manga?

Random Wanderer · 2016-06-22, 02:11

I stand by my right to be childish if I wish. That's an adult's prerogative.

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I am sorry that your waifu is not central to the story but you either have to get over it or move on.

Just for clarity's sake, I'm referring to something along the lines of more than a dozen people who I felt a really strong emotional attachment to, and when many of them were shown in that montage in the first chapter of UQ holder fading away off the edge as Eva walked on into the future, it felt like I was punched in the gut. So it's not just "mai waifu" that I'm talking about.

Putting that aside, I'll leave you all alone. While I claim my right to act childish, it was perhaps overly childish of me to come in here and vent my complaints about a series I haven't really read and don't intend to watch at those of you who are interested in it. I sincerely apologize for that. You all don't deserve that, and I certainly should know better.

DerGilga · 2016-06-22, 02:23

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Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

Putting that aside, I'll leave you all alone. While I claim my right to act childish, it was perhaps overly childish of me to come in here and vent my complaints about a series I haven't really read and don't intend to watch at those of you who are interested in it. I sincerely apologize for that. You all don't deserve that, and I certainly should know better.

You know what, I have no problem with that. Everybody can make a complain once and give a statement of dissatisfaction. It's not like that UQH is perfect or Negima's ending was kind of meh....

But some other people really don't know when to quite and complain about something, which they clearly don't like, for years.....
So butthurt and quite frankly also pathetic.

Sage Shinigami · 2016-06-22, 04:58

UQ Holder is simultaneously it's own thing and also a sequel to the Negi-verse, ...[*snip*]... I love it both for what it is and how it's adding on to the Negi mythos, and currently I feel like true Negima fans should feel the same.

This anime announcement is the greatest thing I've heard in ages, and could only be topped by learning that Negima getting a new adaptation airing in tandem with this, lol. (Well, that or a new version of Flame of Recca but let's be serious...)

***CrowKenobi*** · 2016-06-22, 07:29

Just a reminder that source material hints and spoilers are not allowed. Please discuss your expectations of the adaptation and leave those out.

Thank you.

Hiss13 · 2016-06-22, 07:48

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Meanwhile, both adaptations of Negima are still gathering dust on my backlog.

Can UQ be picked up safely by someone who is only exposed to both adaptations or it's better to extend to the manga?

Just go to the manga for Negima. All of the anime adaptations for the manga pale in comparison. I would say early UQ Holder (basically anything that would be covered by an anime adaptation) can be picked up safely without reading the Negima manga (though it's still recommended). Honestly, though, just read the Negima manga. It's well worth your time and it's personally one of my favorite shonen manga.

dark44 · 2016-06-22, 07:59

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Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

A passage of time that I found arbitrary and unnecessary and which seemed solely designed to kill off all the other characters (many of whom I liked a great deal) and leave the author to play with Eva (who I frankly could take or leave: my reaction-meter for her is pretty firmly at "meh"). Akamatsu controlled that time-skip: it was his choice to make it so that everyone besides his preferred girl was dead. I will keep calling him a murderer, because as far as I'm concerned that's what he is.

That's news to me. Last time I checked there may have been reports of one or two of them, but they weren't high on my list, and they were some of the non-human girls one might expect to have lived that long.

you are not alone who feel that way and i think he just ruin the frist series by this Sequel

Alza · 2016-06-22, 09:16

So how many episodes will this adaptation get? I get the feeling that unless they get at least 26 eps, they won't get far enough to hit the more interesting arcs.

Marcus H. · 2016-06-22, 09:22

The plot of UQ has so much fluff that (ironically) everything has to be adapted else risk ruining the flow of the story. It needs 26 episodes at the minimum.

Estavali · 2016-06-22, 10:29

Spoiler for Rant, you might want to skip this =3:

UQH is a story about a group of people who, for want of a more comprehensive definition, can stay around for a very, very, very long time. This means one can hardly avoid the grind of time and what it does to them. Negima shows Evangeline as cynical and UQH shows us why: anything she holds dear would eventually be taken away by the passing of years. The first pages of UQH does an excellent job highlighting this, especially the one showing Eva walking down the long road. Her friends will grow up, grow old and be no more, and, whether she likes it or not, she has to leave them behind and continue walking.

One can argue that Mr Akamatsu could have set the story just a couple of decades after Negima and I will say that the story would be weaker for that. It does little for the theme of immortality and in any case the "new series" would be nothing more than a continuation of Negima. They might as well throw away the pretense and declare, "Negima lives again!", which would no doubt please fans who want to seen Negima drag on forever (which would be ironic on hindsight). I understand that Hong Kong manhua like to do this nowadays and guess what? Fans, or at least folks who had liked the series when they began, are now praying for the publishers to get on with it and do something new, rather than to continue milk the same old characters like Nasu does with the Fate franchise and his Saber cows.

Whether Mr Akamatsu carries on telling Negi's story for as long as he can or comes up with a new one set in the same world, he's bound to get some hate from supporters of either side, as what this thread and similar others have proven. For me, I applaud the decision to move on and bring some freshness to the Negima world. If he has to commit "murder" to get it done, well, fine by me. I like Evangline to begin with (

) and has always felt that Mr Akamatsu had difficulty handling a cast this big.

What I do hope is, like what some has voiced out here, that he would stop with the bloody meandering-around and get on with the main story. I haven't been following UQH since the start of the "make-1-to-3 for the race" part (won't go into details but manga readers should know what I'm talking about =3). I like UQH for its action and focus on the main story in the earlier chapters, the very elements that I like about Negima in general, but it has grown distracted of late (something that had plagued its predecessor as well) and this disappoints me. Wake me up when the plot stops chasing after butterflies.

On topic, I just hope the anime doesn't try to over-extend itself and try to be too original with the parts not covered by the manga. This approach sometimes works if the anime has no intention of adapting the manga any further but depending on the strength of the storyboard, it's a hit or miss thing (usually miss imho). Nowadays though, the trend seems to be one where the studio adapts one or two arcs and then stop and wait for the manga to catch up. Perhaps the UQH anime will follow the latter approach?

TnAdct1 · 2016-06-22, 15:49

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Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

Just for clarity's sake, I'm referring to something along the lines of more than a dozen people who I felt a really strong emotional attachment to, and when many of them were shown in that montage in the first chapter of UQ holder fading away off the edge as Eva walked on into the future, it felt like I was punched in the gut. So it's not just "mai waifu" that I'm talking about.

Personally, I didn't consider it an issue, because I'm well aware that this story is set decades after Negima and that I should treat it as its own story.

Unfortunately, that went out the door when the story began to become way too dependent on Negima's success.

Ulin · 2016-06-22, 16:19

For someone who enjoyed so much time ago Love Hina, but never read or watched Negima... Would you recommend this? Is it difficult to understand the story being a completely ignorant of Negima's setting?

AstroNerdBoy · 2016-06-22, 19:55

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Originally Posted by Ulin

For someone who enjoyed so much time ago Love Hina, but never read or watched Negima... Would you recommend this? Is it difficult to understand the story being a completely ignorant of Negima's setting?

You don't need to have read Negima! to read UQ Holder. In fact, it would be interesting to get someone's take on UQH who's not read Negima!. That being said, knowing Negima! will likely make certain Negima! references (like chapter 128) more meaningful.

As to the announced UQ Holder anime, it wouldn't surprise me if it were an OAD to be released with an LE manga volume of UQ Holder in order to boost sales.

Sage Shinigami · 2016-06-22, 21:17

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Originally Posted by CrowKenobi

Just a reminder that source material hints and spoilers are not allowed. Please discuss your expectations of the adaptation and leave those out.

Thank you.

...What's the spoiler tag exist for, lol?

2016-06-22, 02:09	Link #47
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	Meanwhile, both adaptations of Negima are still gathering dust on my backlog. Can UQ be picked up safely by someone who is only exposed to both adaptations or it's better to extend to the manga? __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2016-06-22, 09:22	Link #55
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	The plot of UQ has so much fluff that (ironically) everything has to be adapted else risk ruining the flow of the story. It needs 26 episodes at the minimum. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2016-06-22, 10:29	Link #56
Estavali 物語は、もう、おしまい……？ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: In the Horizon Age: 43	Spoiler for Rant, you might want to skip this =3: UQH is a story about a group of people who, for want of a more comprehensive definition, can stay around for a very, very, very long time. This means one can hardly avoid the grind of time and what it does to them. Negima shows Evangeline as cynical and UQH shows us why: anything she holds dear would eventually be taken away by the passing of years. The first pages of UQH does an excellent job highlighting this, especially the one showing Eva walking down the long road. Her friends will grow up, grow old and be no more, and, whether she likes it or not, she has to leave them behind and continue walking. One can argue that Mr Akamatsu could have set the story just a couple of decades after Negima and I will say that the story would be weaker for that. It does little for the theme of immortality and in any case the "new series" would be nothing more than a continuation of Negima. They might as well throw away the pretense and declare, "Negima lives again!", which would no doubt please fans who want to seen Negima drag on forever (which would be ironic on hindsight). I understand that Hong Kong manhua like to do this nowadays and guess what? Fans, or at least folks who had liked the series when they began, are now praying for the publishers to get on with it and do something new, rather than to continue milk the same old characters like Nasu does with the Fate franchise and his Saber cows. Whether Mr Akamatsu carries on telling Negi's story for as long as he can or comes up with a new one set in the same world, he's bound to get some hate from supporters of either side, as what this thread and similar others have proven. For me, I applaud the decision to move on and bring some freshness to the Negima world. If he has to commit "murder" to get it done, well, fine by me. I like Evangline to begin with () and has always felt that Mr Akamatsu had difficulty handling a cast this big. What I do hope is, like what some has voiced out here, that he would stop with the bloody meandering-around and get on with the main story. I haven't been following UQH since the start of the "make-1-to-3 for the race" part (won't go into details but manga readers should know what I'm talking about =3). I like UQH for its action and focus on the main story in the earlier chapters, the very elements that I like about Negima in general, but it has grown distracted of late (something that had plagued its predecessor as well) and this disappoints me. Wake me up when the plot stops chasing after butterflies. On topic, I just hope the anime doesn't try to over-extend itself and try to be too original with the parts not covered by the manga. This approach sometimes works if the anime has no intention of adapting the manga any further but depending on the strength of the storyboard, it's a hit or miss thing (usually miss imho). Nowadays though, the trend seems to be one where the studio adapts one or two arcs and then stop and wait for the manga to catch up. Perhaps the UQH anime will follow the latter approach? __________________ Signature by liro

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RDNexus Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Portugal Age: 36	Random Wanderer, please, that's being childish and butthurt. You can't expect every kind of sequel to be a straight follow-up of the previous story. And, once again, the thing with the my favorite character this or that...

2016-06-22, 04:58	Link #50
Sage Shinigami Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	UQ Holder is simultaneously it's own thing and also a sequel to the Negi-verse, ...[snip]... I love it both for what it is and how it's adding on to the Negi mythos, and currently I feel like true Negima fans should feel the same. This anime announcement is the greatest thing I've heard in ages, and could only be topped by learning that Negima getting a new adaptation airing in tandem with this, lol. (Well, that or a new version of Flame of Recca but let's be serious...)

2016-06-22, 07:29	Link #51
*CrowKenobi* One PUNCH! Administrator Join Date: Dec 2005	Just a reminder that source material hints and spoilers are not allowed. Please discuss your expectations of the adaptation and leave those out. Thank you.

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Alza Member Join Date: Oct 2015	So how many episodes will this adaptation get? I get the feeling that unless they get at least 26 eps, they won't get far enough to hit the more interesting arcs.

2016-06-22, 16:19	Link #58
Ulin Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Spain	For someone who enjoyed so much time ago Love Hina, but never read or watched Negima... Would you recommend this? Is it difficult to understand the story being a completely ignorant of Negima's setting?