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2008-04-26, 04:28 | Link #42 | |
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I can't believe it took HG this long to realize that the Mars Expeditionary Force were supposed to be the real villains of MOSPEADA, and to finally find a scapegoat to excuse that action in Shadow Chronicles. |
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There was absolutely NOTHING of originality to be noted in HG's effort. What HG exercised was about the worst practice of capitalism I have ever seen. And just for your information, I am no Tenchi fan. Quote:
As glyph stated, they wrote off Hikaru in the absolute worst manner and the most off-character fashion possible! A single line pretty much destroyed his character. And he is right on the spot about HG not knowing DIDDY-JACK about Mospeda. Bottom line: If it doesn't make sense, it doesn't make sense! Quote:
Not until very recently do we see an explosion of anime goods in the United States, and it is very debatable how much that has to do with a show aired decades ago. It certainly had more to do with lil' monsters that fit in your pockets. - Tak Last edited by TakCWAL; 2008-04-26 at 10:05. |
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2008-04-26, 11:14 | Link #44 |
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Well i didnt care much about the story to be honest with Robotech when i watched it( i was still a kid) but man.... those bike-transforming power suit was cool as hell and so were the invids mech (i actually had a few of those when i was young).
Southern Cross was kinda meh though.
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It is set at the end of Mospeada, so the mecha are going to be REF rather than RDF or SC. Quote:
And he and Lisa were both charter members of the Sentinals inner council. Lisa has the problem that the Edwards Mutiny occured while she was the REF's senior officer. Which combinded with the Sentinals experience that veritechs were the primary weapon against the invid rather than capital ships may have lead to the governing comitee pushing Rick for the job. |
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2008-04-26, 13:56 | Link #46 | |
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The role of captain had always fell upon Misa's shoulders, not Hikaru, who never had experience or the credentials to do so. - Tak |
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2008-04-26, 15:15 | Link #47 |
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crowkenobi you disappoint me. Falling to the heretical darkside, that which is all that is unholy to the Macross purity.
how could you?! Is this result of all those poor child soldiers, ruthlessly forced into this epic crusade for our very Animu Spirita?! I won't give up, i'll save you! one day! kusokusokusoooo! *sobs/hose crowkenobi in holy Macross purified oil/lights it*
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OFFTOPIC Remember that security issue Animesuki had a while ago? My user name was axed, and my recovery information was lost. So I had to make a new one *sniff* (Wait, AXE that, I just recovered my user name. Never-mind) Oh, and buddy, check this out http://gineiden-game.jp/ I love what they are doing with it. - Tak (Still playing ACE 3) Last edited by TakCWAL; 2008-04-26 at 21:25. |
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2008-04-26, 17:22 | Link #49 | |
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I think they had plans to show this in the Sentanals, I mean the books which came out in the late 80's early 90's had a Huge subplot about Edwards takeing over and also showed a lot of strife among the upper brass And if I remeber correctly they only said they were waiting for word from Admiral Hunter never stateing which one (both Rick and Lisa were Admirals at that time, She in charge of that space fleet and he was in charge of the fighters)
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2008-04-26, 19:01 | Link #50 | |
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Not that complaining about a quote from a later episode [set 30 years later] makes much sense under that logic. Especially since apparently only those things that happend in a different universe [Macross rather than Robotech] from that episode have any validity for you. And since that episode doesn't happen in the Macross timeline it shouldn't be a problem for you. the Idea that Macross and Robotech are in different timeline shouldn't be a problem for a Macross fan, what with the Original series vs DRYL and Macross II vs Macross Plus. If you ignore Robotech II:Sentinals [Why an OVA intended to be the pilot for a follow up series written by Macek is not aceptable evidence for a things going on in a series written by Macek seems strange.] and the Novels you have no evidence Lisa is still alive as of 2044 [Having last seen her in 2012]. Also you have thirty years for Rick to gain experience and rank in. If you don't ignore them then there is the Edwards Mutiny and the REF/Sentinals experiences against the Invid to give reasons for Rick to be leading. Lisa's closeness to the Praxian exiles may not have helped. |
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Claims regarding validity is a moot point. Robotech never had much validity in the first place, and I am sure Macek probably did not expect Robotech to become anything else other than a Saturday morning cartoon (by his own reasoning, the show had to be connected for syndication reasons, nothing more. He initially intended to simply port the original). Any source materials you mentioned here (including novels) were published as a result of Robotech's unexpected popularity and came after the franchise had ended its original run. No doubt those were a shabby attempt to connect the three shows that should not have been forcefully connected in the first place! Once again, if it does not mean to sense, it does not make sense! Quote:
- Tak (It would appear, I've somehow recovered my user name...) Last edited by Tak; 2008-04-26 at 20:01. |
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2008-04-27, 07:50 | Link #52 |
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As I was flicking through this forum and saw this thread, I had a thought there would be possibility of conflict between the purist Macross fans and other views on Robotech. It only took the second page to start and the third page to really get rancid.
For Tak & Onizuka, Crow is only defending the fact that Robotech was responsible for a huge anime boom in the 80s. Without Robotech, I think it would be hard to argue that more damage was done by showing Robotech than not having it all. Times were different back then. Anime rarely made it across the Pacific Ocean without alterations. You only need to look at Star Blazers, Gatchaman / Battle of the Planets to see this. Ponder for a moment, would it have been better if we had no Macross or Macross via Robotech? Back then when I was a kid, I loved the story about Rick Hunter, Lisa Hayes, Minmei and of course Roy Fokker. His death is still one of the most sadder moments in anime for me. Would it be better to deny western audiences the delights and sorrows of Macross or to have it modified slightly so that others outside Japan can also watch it? Carl Macek and HG believed the latter. Macek detailed in his books why he had to create Robotech a three part series. He wanted to bring Macross to the west because he believed it was an excellent anime. I also wanted to know why Macross was changed to be Robotech. So I read into it. So why in a nutshell was Macross modified and joined with two other series? The simple answer is there was not enough episodes of SDF Macross to syndicate on TV. He was working within his rules to bring Macross to western audiences. He needed something like 80+ episodes while Macross was only 36 episodes. While Macross in Robotech was not identical to the original it is very similar. Infact probably remains the least altered of all three stories. No one likes mistranslated work. I mean who wants to have "Dopplerganger!" when "Shadow Clone!" is a more literal translation or even better "Kagebunshin". But these things still happen in professional work. Regardless, instead of Robotech these days, kids are growing up with Yugioh, Sailor Moon, Naruto and the like. Adults these days can tune in late at night and watch GitS:SAC, ErgoProxy, etc. Today, things are very different. Translated anime comes out sometimes the same day as it airs in Japan. The quality of work both Fan and Professional is so high these days it's impossible to compare it to what was done over 20 years ago. There was no internet, no DVD, no CD, only crappy VHS. It took weeks even by airmail to get anything shipped over. Hardly anyone spoke other languages, now many are multilingual. Anime fandom was in it's infancy then. Now it's reaching maturity. Very different times... Now I would say because of the exposure of Robotech, Akira and before that Astroboy, people can enjoy anime now in all its forms. I would say Robotech helped rather than hindered the growth of anime in the west. |
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I generally have no problem with the base decision itself to combine the three shows. Although there were major exceptions to the 'syndication' rule, and it needed not be some 80+ episodes to air.
Regardless, kudos to Carl Macek for bringing Robotech, but up his arse for ruining the license. The way he and HG handled the license ruined the franchise for everyone in North America. Due to their baseless claim on something not of their creation, Macross merchandise (those without a Robotech brand) will never be exposed to a larger audience in the near future, all because HG had chosen to exploit loopholes through the absolute worst methods found in Capitalism. - Tak |
2008-04-28, 01:41 | Link #55 |
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hey.... i resent that merchandise comment :-P, it's just not true lol.
any fan of robotech knows about macross/genesis climber and knows that the japanese toys/models/figures were and are still much better quality than anything revell or matchbox (or even the newer toynami stuff) ever put out. i would say robotech actually helped sell macross/mospeada merchandise (at least back then). i am looking at my gakken alpha and my toynami anniversary one right now and the toynami one is a piece of junk compared to the one made over 20 years ago. lol anyone remember the crap revell used to put out? revell pumped out so many models with the name ROBOTECH on them it was ridiculous. but nobody ever bought them because most of them sucked and weren't even from the cartoon (they just made a random robot model and put ROBOTECH on the box lol... seriously). if you wanted a good model you bought the japanese (macross) stuff! even today, anyone who wants to buy robotech merchandise, knows that they're better off buying the bandai/yamato stuff rather than the toynami stuff. |
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The real blame (if any can be attributed at all) lies with the way Tatsunoko was far too loose with their license agreement. You can read up on more of the sordid details in the Macross Legalities thread.
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I doubt CM himself was aware of Robotech's eventual popularity, and HG unexpectedly struck gold. That is all. So now they claim ownership over the license anyway they can, even if their claim is absolutely and totally baseless. Quote:
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That they gave the rights to Warner Brothers surprised me quite a bit, but it's still unclear whether the movie will have much to do with Macross. I think that the Japanese companies are also waiting to see if it is. In any case, it's probable that if it does come down to a legal battle, it'll be with Warner Brothers, and they have awfully deep pockets for such a fight. The upside to all of this is that a legal proceeding can also clear up the rights issue once and for all - perhaps even allowing the other Macross works to get licensed (except for Macross 7 of course ).
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2008-04-28, 10:07 | Link #60 |
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you know, if they have trouble licencing Macross 7 because of all the songs, i dunno what that's gonna say about Macross Frontier considering there is a lot of singing in that too. Maybe not on the scale of Macross 7, but it's certainly going to more then the original or that was featured in Plus and Zero.
Seriously, i don't want to sound terrible, (sorry Robotech-heathens) but i hope there IS something that is wrong with the licence to Warner Brother. we need something to force this issue to be resolved, and it's gonna take a wrangle over little details then so be it.
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