Shin High School DxD Volume 2 Discussion

[Blazor 98]

Originally Posted by Jedsada

Actually, if Rias continued her strategy and kept her team together, the result might be different. However, she decided to break the formation and ended up alone with Gasper and Kiba, which eventually led to her defeat.

Would the result change? I doubt it because of Ravel. Ravel prowess to adapt to new situation has been shown. The flaw of Rias tactic is she's prone to fall into traps with that. Ravel would use that to her advantage.

[sbh1fr]

How exactly did ravel adapt?
And what strategy was really applied.

[AP24]

Originally Posted by Djeveler

Fair enough, then. I missed that one, but if anything, that would make Rias Maou-class, not Transcendental. As the only other instance of "above Maou-class" has been Sonneillon and Gressil.

It was mentioned in Vol 24 that Rias' Balor form is not just above but surpasses maou-class. Also Rias in Balor form was able to severely damage 80% Fenrir who should be god-class.

[Djeveler]

Originally Posted by AP24

It was mentioned in Vol 24 that Rias' Balor form is not just above but surpasses maou-class. Also Rias in Balor form was able to severely damage 80% Fenrir who should be god-class.

What difference is there between "surpasses" and "above"? Also Rias has the advantage of PoD, which is more damaging than a non-PoD blast of equal output would be.

[Blazor 98]

Originally Posted by sbh1fr

How exactly did ravel adapt?
And what strategy was really applied.

Rias team consist of 3 big power houses. (Balor Rias, Crom and Strada). Ravel's strategy was to keep Strada and Crom occupied with their team while Issei goes straight for Rias. That's exactly what happened since the objective of the game is to take out the King.

Asia kept Crom busy while Xenovia, Irina and Ouryuu kept Strada busy while the rest kept Rias team busy. By the time Issei got to Rias, all she had with her was Kiba and Gasper while Issei had Grayfia. Grayfia and Kiba were taken out and Issei finished off Rias.

The core of this plan was Issei went through this basically uncontested. Sure he faced Kiba first but he's easier to deal with than Strada or Crom.

[Parry999]

Originally Posted by Djeveler

How does him being unnamed make him any lesser? Are Hades' Maou-class Devils significantly lesser than someone like the original Maou just because they're less known? Renown does not necessarily equate to ability.

What you are speaking on the matter of Thanatos refers to PDxD, not partial PDxD. Thanatos completely outclassed CxC and Ddraig said that partial PDxD would also be no issue to him. He was only clearly weaker (yet faster) when compared to PDXD.

And why do you mention Ultimate-class Devils? They aren't a figure here, unless you are trying to say that Ultimate-class Grim Reapers are on par with Ultimate-class Devils, in which case you are completely incorrect. Grim Reapers of a respective class have been stated as being as strong as a Devil of a class higher, for example, a Mid-class Grim Reapers equals a High-Class Devil and so on. This would put the average of Ultimate-class Grim Reapers at around Maou-class.

Actually and how do you know that the grim reaper Tobio fight wasn't just maou class? Pluto and Thanatos where way above that. Just as maou class devils are above Ultimate-class devils. isseis comparable to Grayfia without partial DxD. Who most have agreed Grayfias above the orginal maou. Dulio fight that out of his element. We have seen neither go all out anyway.

[sbh1fr]

Originally Posted by Blazor 98

Rias team consist of 3 big power houses. (Balor Rias, Crom and Strada). Ravel's strategy was to keep Strada and Crom occupied with their team while Issei goes straight for Rias. That's exactly what happened since the objective of the game is to take out the King.

Asia kept Crom busy while Xenovia, Irina and Ouryuu kept Strada busy while the rest kept Rias team busy. By the time Issei got to Rias, all she had with her was Kiba and Gasper while Issei had Grayfia. Grayfia and Kiba were taken out and Issei finished off Rias.

The core of this plan was Issei went through this basically uncontested. Sure he faced Kiba first but he's easier to deal with than Strada or Crom.

What do you think rias plan was?
If you look at it from rias viewpoint i think most
Isse had number advantage that rias eliminated from the start. It was crom that chose to ignore xenovia and fight fafnir/asia. Then he faced ddraig, he couldnt ask for better opponent.
Strada kept irina and xenovia busy. And lint kept nakiri busy

Crom vs Asia (& fafnir)
Akeno & Valerie vs Rose & Elmen :
Koneko vs Ravel
Lint vs Nakiri.
Rias vs grayfia and kiba vs issei.
Crom vs Ddraig and Rias (Balor) vs Ise.
Strada vs xenovia & irina (and nakiri)

[Djeveler]

Originally Posted by Parry999

Actually and how do you know that the grim reaper Tobio fight wasn't just maou class? Pluto and Thanatos where way above that. Just as maou class devils are above Ultimate-class devils. isseis comparable to Grayfia without partial DxD. Who most have agreed Grayfias above the orginal maou. Dulio fight that out of his element. We have seen neither go all out anyway.

If that Grim Reaper was Maou-class then that's a pretty great showing, considering Tobio dispatched him with no difficulty whatsoever. When has it been stated that Grayfia is above the original Maou? She has always been stated to be Maou-class.

Dulio fought beyond his main range but he had the advantage of light over Issei who's a Devil, so it was cancelled out. Due to this he should be directly comparable to partial PDxD Issei, who was severely outclassed by Thanatos.

There's not really a measure of how far Thanatos is beyond the other Ultimate-class Grim Reapers, but the showings point me to Tobio and you to Dulio. So for now I guess we can't really say who's directly stronger between them. This doesn't apply to the analysis of their other respective strengths, however.

[Blazor 98]

Originally Posted by sbh1fr

What do you think rias plan was?
If you look at it from rias viewpoint i think most
Isse had number advantage that rias eliminated from the start. It was crom that chose to ignore xenovia and fight fafnir/asia. Then he faced ddraig, he couldnt ask for better opponent.
Strada kept irina and xenovia busy. And lint kept nakiri busy

Crom vs Asia (& fafnir)
Akeno & Valerie vs Rose & Elmen :
Koneko vs Ravel
Lint vs Nakiri.
Rias vs grayfia and kiba vs issei.
Crom vs Ddraig and Rias (Balor) vs Ise.
Strada vs xenovia & irina (and nakiri)

Besides Rias opening surprise attack, she didn't have much of a strategy. The moment she saw the church trio coming she told everyone to do their own thing. Crom letting Xenovia and Irina to go so he could fight Fafnir was something to be expected from Crom because of his honor. Rias should know Issei and Ddraig are the biggest threats and yet she didn't have a plan to deal with them. The only one on her team who's strong enough to fight Issei was Crom and he was tied up. Strada may not have been as strong as Issei but he could've given Issei problem and make Issei burn significant stamina but instead Kiba was left to fight Issei and Issei beat him with little difficulty before he fought Rias.

[syzorst]

Alright folks, it is that time again. I just got my copy of Shin Volume 2 and like always I will translate these fights and other things in full detail. So here's a quick warm up.

Declaration

Spoiler:

Declaration:

Rias looks up in the sky.

"If it's for you, I'll defeat even God and now you are strong enough to defeat a god." You once said that.

She then looks straight at me.

"What about me? About the game. Can you defeat your master, your fiance?"

I looked back at her. I see, today's date was to confirm this to each other. When I decided on a date, I did not confirm by saying it but I knew somehow and so did Rias.

"I am Rias Gremory's pawn. I vowed to become the strongest pawn. I also want to see if Rias has gotten closer to me. So I'm going to defeat you Rias."

Rias smiles at my answer.

"I'm really happy. That's the best answer that I expect my beloved Issei. I will also fight you with all my might and defeat you. So please show me the power that you have cultivated"

Rias and I leaned in and shook hands. As competitors of the tournament, we hoped to give each other a good fight.

[bashkim1234]

Which level is Kiba now ? We know, that Kiba and Akeno were as strong as high-class devil before they were promoted. Ise was ultimate class devil in his CxC. Now we know, that Ise CxC is Satan level , but he was force to use his psedudo DxD mode to beat Kiba. So Kiba is above satan class and god class or even heavenly Dragon class .

[Hakai]

Originally Posted by bashkim1234

Which level is Kiba now ? We know, that Kiba and Akeno were as strong as high-class devil before they were promoted. Ise was ultimate class devil in his CxC. Now we know, that Ise CxC is Satan level , but he was force to use his psedudo DxD mode to beat Kiba. So Kiba is above satan class and god class or even heavenly Dragon class .

No, Kiba isn't God-class/Heavenly Dragon level. Same way Samael isn't Dragon God level. Dragon Slayer means huge advantage against Dragons and he has holy too so another weakness for Ise as a Devil.

With that said he had the advantage vs Bikou who's worth 5 pawns in this tournament and that was before his recent power up so I wouldn't be surprised if he's Maou-class now.

[thefreakmike]

Originally Posted by bashkim1234

Which level is Kiba now ? We know, that Kiba and Akeno were as strong as high-class devil before they were promoted. Ise was ultimate class devil in his CxC. Now we know, that Ise CxC is Satan level , but he was force to use his psedudo DxD mode to beat Kiba. So Kiba is above satan class and god class or even heavenly Dragon class .

Whichever level Ishibumi wants him to be

[bashkim1234]

Originally Posted by Hakai

No, Kiba isn't God-class/Heavenly Dragon level. Same way Samael isn't Dragon God level. Dragon Slayer means huge advantage against Dragons and he has holy too so another weakness for Ise as a Devil.


With that said he had the advantage vs Bikou who's worth 5 pawns in this tournament and that was before his recent power up so I wouldn't be surprised if he's Maou-class now.

Well since Shin volume 1 we know. that Ise CxC is now Satan class. So if Ise was force to use his pseudo DxD mode, because he would not been able to beat Kiba. So Kiba power is between above maou class or God class.

Originally Posted by thefreakmike

Whichever level Ishibumi wants him to be

This argument is valid, but you can say about every topic which is related to the light novel.

[Hakai]

Originally Posted by bashkim1234

Well since Shin volume 1 we know. that Ise CxC is now Satan class. So if Ise was force to use his pseudo DxD mode, because he would not been able to beat Kiba. So Kiba power is between above maou class or God class.

Again, dragon slayer. CxC Ise from V16 could damage Crom because of Ascalon's Dragon Slayer power so it would be dangerous to take on Kiba with just CxC.

[TheWu8128]

Originally Posted by bashkim1234

Well since Shin volume 1 we know. that Ise CxC is now Satan class. So if Ise was force to use his pseudo DxD mode, because he would not been able to beat Kiba. So Kiba power is between above maou class or God class.


This argument is valid, but you can say about every topic which is related to the light novel.

That's the point the author can make a character as strong as they need to be to fit the situation. He's done it multiple times already, one of the reasons why I don't get into deep conversations about power levels.

As for Kiba's level, I would say High Ultimate level

[Parry999]

Originally Posted by Djeveler

If that Grim Reaper was Maou-class then that's a pretty great showing, considering Tobio dispatched him with no difficulty whatsoever. When has it been stated that Grayfia is above the original Maou? She has always been stated to be Maou-class.

Tannin is a dragon king class boosted by a queen piece. Stated to have raw power on par with the current maou and is weaker then Grayfia.

[syzorst]

Rias first strike:

Spoiler:

Rias' first strike:

As we were about to move out, the ground started to shake violently and an announcement was made.

>>>>Sekiryuutei of Blazing Truth "Pawn" retired.>>>>>

I and Ravel rushed out of the house to see what was happening.

It was Rias in her [Forbidden Invade Balor the Princess] form. Her collaboration technique with Gasper. She was in her beast form. Next to her was Vasco Strada, Kiba with Gram and Lint with her purple flames and Angel wings out.

Roygun was injured and floating in the air slightly away from the 3 people and in front of Rias. Bova was nowhere to be found. Naturally he was retired as his the announcement was made.

Ravel was filled with regret.

"Such an early stage to attack with that much strength?"

Live commentator was going on.

>>>>>Oooh wow! Such a fierce blow. For the "king" of Rias-senshu to make such a bold attack>>>>>

Roygun looks around and Rias 3rd eye glows red.

I was about to rush out until Ravel grab me.

"Issei-sama It's too late for her. We still need to continue with the plan. Don't worry, we won't let this go."

An announcement was made

>>>>Sekiryuutei of Blazing Truth "Rook" retired>>>

I clenched my fist and went back into the house. Rias made such a bold move at the start but I have to remain calm. The game has only just started.

[Hakai]

Onee-san

[Parry999]

Originally Posted by Hakai

Onee-san

Poor Milf.