2016-11-21, 23:24 | Link #581 |
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Please remember folks ... if you are going to discuss material in the source material not shown in the anime taken from adaptation material that has already aired it should be in spoiler tags.
ANY hinting at material that is outside of the material currently airing that could potentially spoil future content or any future content should be discussed elsewhere in the Novel thread.
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Their friendship stands above any romantic relationships they may have in the future, whether it be with Taki or Shuuichi, or some guy they meet later on. This is precisely what Takeda has been saying in interviews since season 1, such as in this interview from the fanbook. Quote:
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The original translator translated 友情 as "fellowship" back in the day, but I have to agree with Kamieichi -- Takeda meant "friendship." ===== Quote:
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2016-11-22, 00:32 | Link #583 |
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Can't find the quote now, but it was what the female writer said. She mentioned that the fans would know it was baiting. And i'm not talking about Reina and Kumiko's friendship on this, i'm talking about how they were portrayed and those comments they made about each other. I'd rather not have another issue like in the LN thread about how those types of relationships are not normal, so i'll bow out.
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2016-11-22, 01:14 | Link #584 | |
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In other words, Yamada and Takeda are depicting what "friendship" is to them. But to men and other people who do not share in their experience as young women living in Japan, it might come across as "yuri." It is entirely up to you what you take the relationship to be, and whether you agree with Yamada and Takeda or not. But the two of them are not going about this with the intention of "baiting," no matter what anyone who has never shared in the experience they are trying to depict says.
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2016-11-22, 01:21 | Link #585 | |
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Seeing as it was apparently an issue in the LN thread (which I don't visit as I'm avoiding spoilers), I take it the discussion involved multiple people, and what I'm getting at is I'm not pointing fingers at any particular person here. But this just sounds like people bringing their own agendas somewhere they shouldn't. So while it may be counterproductive here to avoid the issue by responding to it, hopefully we can leave this behind seeing as it's not at all relevant. Edit: karice67 just summarized it far better than I. |
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2016-11-22, 02:59 | Link #586 |
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I read the interview karice67 mentioned after my spat about Kumiko x Reina and that definitely changed my mind about many things. The relationship Kumiko and Reina have is deeper and stronger than any other, and it doesn't necessarily have to be romantic. Of course, when Shuichi comes along, this character with little substance and presence, and somehow ends up being the love interest, I can't help but feel irritated because, I don't know, romance is so often portrayed in anime as end game instead of friendship."End game" as in "final" and "necessary," or more accurately, "if this doesn't happen, what a loss" or "if it does, the end, show's over, everyone go back home." Which downplays the relationship Kumiko and Reina have and I can't stand that possibility.
Well, that hasn't happened yet so I shouldn't worry about it, probably.
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2016-11-22, 03:02 | Link #587 |
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These discussions, like SleepingTerror said, made me re-evaluate my view of the Kumiko and Reina relationship. When I was supporting the pairing on the internet, I noticed that majority of the fans think immediately about the romantic endgame potential of the pairing more than the progress of their friendship.
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2016-11-22, 03:15 | Link #588 |
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I think the conversation over Shuichi's relevance would have been severely muted if....
Spoiler for Adapted out Light Novel Scene?:
I think there's going to be no romantic resolution whatsoever in Hibike Euphonium. And that was never the point of Hibike Euphonium as it has been adapted, especially in the second season anyway. |
2016-11-22, 03:20 | Link #589 | |
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It wouldn't have to be romantic, sure, but there are tons of anime with strong female friendships.
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2016-11-22, 03:49 | Link #592 | |
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Also, the anime depicts these romantic subplots as drama and comedy, respectively. Except for Goto and Riko obviously. Last edited by EasternOtaku14; 2016-11-22 at 03:52. Reason: The love triangle was more on drama |
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2016-11-22, 03:53 | Link #593 |
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I think so? But i'm not sure if that will stick. I don't really see the whole Taki thing as comedy, more like ew why is kumiko trying to support reina with a grown man twice her age. The Kazuki thing was annoyed because she was trying to live vicariously through Kumiko since Shuichi rejected her.
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2016-11-22, 04:00 | Link #594 | |
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2016-11-22, 04:41 | Link #595 |
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Taki-sensei is hot, he's respectable, and Reina has known him for quite some time. I can see why she'd have a crush on him, but that's all it is, a crush. The anime has enforced the fact it is one-sided and shallow.
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2016-11-22, 07:39 | Link #596 | |
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In Reina's case, she gravitates towards him because he represents an ideal. She dreams of playing music and being special, and Taki is already sorta there, having music in his life and being a unique individual. Sure it's simplistic, a bit unrealistic as the show does kind of tell us she's way out of his league with Satomi even if she didn't turn out to be a rival, plus the whole teacher-student thing puts a hamper on the thing plus having to deal with the feelings of his deceased partner, and kind of shallow, but that kind of idealization isn't uncommon for her age. It's an underlying part of her motivation and overall fairly well written. The anime doesn't try to overly idealize or glorify her intentions at all. Then again when you have anime standards where people expect characters to fall in love with another because they represent a certain trope, or just for the sake of pairing people just because they happen to be major characters, regardless of it really adds to the narrative or not. This put in perspective isn't too bad at all. But any kind of serious shipping now I think is really 20% substance and 80% wishful thinking so I wouldn't give too much thought to it though it's fine to pay attention. Of course, I think it has warranted way too much already.
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2016-11-22, 19:46 | Link #597 |
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Also, like 90% of the girls in the band have a crush on Taki to some degree. I don't think Reina's situation is really much different, it's just that because it's Reina she's special and takes such things super-seriously.
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2016-11-23, 03:20 | Link #599 |
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Don't get me wrong. She's very talented and beautiful compared to her peers, but that's just her peers. There's plenty of bigger fish out there. If only one of them that isn't even going after Taki can send her into a mental breakdown just by appearing, that's a long way to go.
And even amongst her peers, the likes of Asuka give her a run for her money, which is why I imagine she'd get triggered if she hears stuff like this
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2016-11-23, 06:27 | Link #600 |
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Ok, I'll say it, personally I see Reina the very talented one while Asuka the special one.
It would be interesting if she already knew about his tragic past. That somehow would make very sense. That she knows it. Any correlation to the reasons she fell for him would be a plus to shape a more rounded engagement/sentiment than just the one it seems as of now, that could be just a crush after all.
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