(L) Shokugeki no Soma [Manga]

[evalot1997]

@PSY . Gangnam

So you're telling me that Alice, the Nakiri Alice is not E10 material???

[Dysprosium]

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

Just that none of the other, notably not even Erina, is posing as much as he does.

Who knows how many people better at cooking than him actually already challanged him to and he just declined like he did it with Souma.

So one's personality determines his/her level of cooking abilities.

Wow, that's some Sherlock-Homes level of judgment there.

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

So a normal student has the money to buy ancient cooking books? I am in doubt.

What?

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

Yes and what did Souma do? He defeated all of them without real effort.

Yes? So you're agreeing they're at least on par with Yugi? Do you actually know what you're saying?

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

Or you could accept how Shoukugeki's have been working the entire time in both the Manga and the anime?


Call it 'my' interpretation if you want, but until this point whoever issued the challange always got to decide the theme, aside from the Copy Cat case where he could not only care less about the theme, due to his intentions to cook exactly the same, but also couldn't really decide the topic either as it was given by the event staff.

There is really not much to citate there - that is how all the Shoukugeki's have worked.
Thus until a differnt working has ben shown, it is more like comments saying that the challenged has the right to decide the thme need citation.

Yeah, its now evidently clear its pure interpretation on your part. Let's leave it at here, since we'll be going round in circles.

Originally Posted by evalot1997

@PSY . Gangnam

So you're telling me that Alice, the Nakiri Alice is not E10 material???

Please read the arguments properly.

[evalot1997]

Well, she did clearly without a doubt got defeated by Souma..

But on another note. Maybe, just maybe.... in the near future, with a generous stroke of miraculous god sent luck that Souma will finally improve and grow beyond being the culinary edition of 'Kazuya Aoi' that he currently is.

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by PSY.Gangnam

So one's personality determines his/her level of cooking abilities.

That is what you said now.
Point is his position in the Elite 10 doesn't say that there aren't others in the school who are better at cooking than he is as he has no obligation to accept a shokugeki for his rank.

The only reason that he might have to accept it now, is his own ego, and the likelyhood that at least Ishikki won't let him go back on what he said.
(The same probably goes for troll girl and the other Elite 10)

Originally Posted by PSY.Gangnam

What?

You inclined they have the same chances to advance their cooking as an elite ten does.
I just proofed you that the majority of the school doesn't using an example that was even given in the manga.

Originally Posted by PSY.Gangnam

Yes? So you're agreeing they're at least on par with Yugi? Do you actually know what you're saying?

No I am saying SOUMA might be

Originally Posted by PSY.Gangnam

Yeah, its now evidently clear its pure interpretation on your part. Let's leave it at here, since we'll be going round in circles.

Feel free to close your eyes, in front of something that have been practiced throughout the entire manga, as much as you like



Please read the arguments properly. [/QUOTE]

[Fwarlord]

Originally Posted by PSY.Gangnam

Spoiler for brilliant afterthoughts from a poster in another forum, in which I highly concur with:

Honestly, by this point I am convinced that the authors have been planning this from the beginning because this move is genius. It seems to come from nowhere, but it has actually been clearly foreshadowed and in hindsight make eerily perfect sense in or out of universe.

So the first thing to note is that the authors most probably intentionally attempted to hit the readers where it hurts the most, and succeeded. Just in the previous chapter, Isshiki and Jouichiro talked about two "talents" of Soma, namely the ability to shrug off apathy/laziness/jealousy and just buckle down and try to surpass the truly gifted with out of the box thinking; and the ability to relatively comfortably endure unbelievable amount of setbacks without giving up. These are two of Soma's great talents, which also happen to be the sort of unconventional "talent" that most readers (who probably all project themselves into Soma to different extent while cheering him) don't have. The end result is that the outcome of this match is something deeply frustrating for some people, but actually not Soma himself.

And never mind such niche talents like "God's Tongue" or "God's Nose" that can really only be applied to cooking, Soma's talents are the real deal which can be applied to anything. The indisputable fact is that the Yukihira Genius possesses the potential to excel in virtually any field of endeavors he applies himself to. In that sense, he's more talented than his father, and he's likely more talented than any "mere" cook that we were ever shown with one or two exception of veritable legend such as the Headmaster or Gin.

In conclusion, we should not be upset that Akira won because he's more talented than Soma. We should instead be amazed that despite having no particular talent for cooking at all, Soma barely lost to a bona fide culinary genius. So take heart in him, and one day Soma will surely take the entire culinary world by storm!

Completely agree with this. I also think Souma losing to Hayama is a brilliant and realistic move.

And that's also the reason why I believe Erina not ending up with Souma will be an interesting development the author could do (if he actually does it). Just think about it, from now on, the author will foreshadow tons of hint about Erina gradually opening up with people around her and falling for Souma, little by little. Their chemistry becomes more and more natural and comfortable, to the point readers may think an happy ending for them is inevitable. But in the end, it won't happen, Souma will reject Erina because he already has someone else in his heart. The whole mutual love between them is just something exists in her own mind as a mean to escape the hash reality and the stress of being the heir of her family. After that, he will come to realize the Souma she loves is but an illusion she created and they being together is impossible since they're people of two different worlds thus will graduate from her illusion and become a better person. It will be a deep and meaningful ending.

[Kafriel]

^ It is certainly a possibility, Erina is used to always having what she wants, so getting rejected by Souma would be hilarious...but I still think that Souma will have to beat his final boss dad to get Erina's approval and seeing how Jouichirou is last boss material, the only other way I can think of right now is Erina just not encountering his father and leaving that battle for a later time.

[DOmus]

Im trying to think a situation where they dont end together... but I cant, guess I'm too much into that shipping to picture a situation like that.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by Fwarlord

Completely agree with this. I also think Souma losing to Hayama is a brilliant and realistic move.

And that's also the reason why I believe Erina not ending up with Souma will be an interesting development the author could do (if he actually does it). Just think about it, from now on, the author will foreshadow tons of hint about Erina gradually opening up with people around her and falling for Souma, little by little. Their chemistry becomes more and more natural and comfortable, to the point readers may think an happy ending for them is inevitable. But in the end, it won't happen, Souma will reject Erina because he already has someone else in his heart. The whole mutual love between them is just something exists in her own mind as a mean to escape the hash reality and the stress of being the heir of her family. After that, he will come to realize the Souma she loves is but an illusion she created and they being together is impossible since they're people of two different worlds thus will graduate from her illusion and become a better person. It will be a deep and meaningful ending.

Soma losing to hayama is exactly the same principle as in Dragon ball having Goku lose to master Roshi. it shows you that you have more you can do to get stronger. After all if he had won that his motivation would probably be far less. Him losing gives him something to strive for and to improve.

By the way i find it rather hilarious how people are looking at the Erina/Soma ship for this reason. Having a character who didnt like the MC fall for him after originally hating him is a consistent trope in manga but its also a rather boring one. Do u know why ultimately erina will not end up with Soma. Because the person who needs the most change involved isnt Erina its Soma himself. Soma still has absolutely zero interest in entering into a relationship and even if Erina falls for him she just becomes the new version of Ikumi a girl who fell for Soma after looking down on him but its pointless because of the fact Soma doesnt care.
You've seen Ikumi do it and i suspect on a lesser level Alice as well. All of that however is useless because Soma still doesnt care. I mean seriously you watched him sit next to Erina and pretty much ignore her and that attitude will end any shipping talk.

[Dysprosium]

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

-snip-

... Seriously? You do love to jump to point B, when we're talking about point A.

Its okay, I'll leave you to your own devices.

Originally Posted by Fwarlord

And that's also the reason why I believe Erina not ending up with Souma will be an interesting development the author could do (if he actually does it). Just think about it, from now on, the author will foreshadow tons of hint about Erina gradually opening up with people around her and falling for Souma, little by little. Their chemistry becomes more and more natural and comfortable, to the point readers may think an happy ending for them is inevitable. But in the end, it won't happen, Souma will reject Erina because he already has someone else in his heart. The whole mutual love between them is just something exists in her own mind as a mean to escape the hash reality and the stress of being the heir of her family. After that, he will come to realize the Souma she loves is but an illusion she created and they being together is impossible since they're people of two different worlds thus will graduate from her illusion and become a better person. It will be a deep and meaningful ending.

Eh.. I've said before, its either Erina or Megumi, no one else.

Anything can happen from now till the end, so let's see what Souma's take on romance is, since cooking & getting to the top of the school's his priority. Of course, Jouichirou's words can't be ignored, so he'd definitely end up with one of them.

I'd still give the edge to Erina, though, in case you're wondering.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by PSY.Gangnam

Eh.. I've said before, its either Erina or Megumi, no one else.

Anything can happen from now till the end, so let's see what Souma's take on romance is, since cooking & getting to the top of the school's his priority. Of course, Jouichirou's words can't be ignored, so he'd definitely end up with one of them.

I'd still give the edge to Erina, though, in case you're wondering.

PSY you clearly dont get it. Jouichiro's words can absolutely be ignored because they're what Jouichiro believes. Saying o his father said it so his son will follow it thats utter nonsense and you know it. Until Soma himself changes his view on romance there's no guarantee he'll end up with anybody.

[Fairy Water]

Originally Posted by Kafriel

^ It is certainly a possibility, Erina is used to always having what she wants, so getting rejected by Souma would be hilarious...but I still think that Souma will have to beat his final boss dad to get Erina's approval and seeing how Jouichirou is last boss material, the only other way I can think of right now is Erina just not encountering his father and leaving that battle for a later time.

Erina doesnt have a normal friendship with a girl-friend. Erina cant do stuff like whining about losing a match in front of many people. Erina doesnt even want to have everything, she achieved her status by her strength. Erina just happens to be born in a luxury family with talent with hot body...

You underestimated about Erina character and the authors. There is no way SnS's authors would create such simple heroine. Like how u guys make Souma's gifts sound so complex

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

Soma still has absolutely zero interest in entering into a relationship and even if Erina falls for him she just becomes the new version of Ikumi a girl who fell for Soma after looking down on him but its pointless because of the fact Soma doesnt care.

Then this will apply to every girl he meet, not only Erina or Ikumi

About romance, its a far far away future. Now Souma doesnt feel like dating, so does Erina. The only same thing comes from both of them

Originally Posted by Fwarlord

And that's also the reason why I believe Erina not ending up with Souma will be an interesting development the author could do (if he actually does it). Just think about it, from now on, the author will foreshadow tons of hint about Erina gradually opening up with people around her and falling for Souma, little by little. Their chemistry becomes more and more natural and comfortable, to the point readers may think an happy ending for them is inevitable. But in the end, it won't happen, Souma will reject Erina because he already has someone else in his heart.

I see, u r one of those who worship Kishit.
I dont mind he ends with Megumi but I find this way of writing like trash I just want to throw all the Naruto manga I bought to the waste bin

[Dysprosium]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

PSY you clearly dont get it. Jouichiro's words can absolutely be ignored because they're what Jouichiro believes. Saying o his father said it so his son will follow it thats utter nonsense and you know it. Until Soma himself changes his view on romance there's no guarantee he'll end up with anybody.

So its nonsense because you believe its so?

Dude.. seriously.. if you wanna troll, you'd have to do a much better job than that.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by Fairy Water

Then this will apply to every girl he meet then

It already does. Think about it Megumi clearly has interest Ikumi does Alice does and yet nothings happened, If Erina does fall for him that just makes this a crappy harem like IS and the others. An MC that ignores the feelings of the girls and everybody keeps pushing for their favorite to win.

[~Yami~]

well, I enjoy the fact that Erina somewhat become nicer toward Souma

anyway, Souma really need to team up with Polar Star Dorm.. I'm sure he won't be able to survive by himself... except if something miraculously happened like Erina helped Souma

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by PSY.Gangnam

So its nonsense because you believe its so?

Dude.. seriously.. if you wanna troll, you'd have to do a much better job than that.

PSY im not saying its nonsense because i believe it is. the problem is you guys are looking for a reason to bring shipping into a show that has absolutely no indication of it. Especially since the main male Soma has shown zero interest in romance or anything other then becoming the top cook.

I mean seriously if this was a harem series you'd be blasting him like most do Ichika and other MC's because of the fact he's ignoring these girls clearly showing interest in him.

[Dysprosium]

Originally Posted by ~Yami~

well, I enjoy the fact that Erina somewhat become nicer toward Souma

anyway, Souma really need to team up with Polar Star Dorm.. I'm sure he won't be able to survive by himself... except if something miraculously happened like Erina helped Souma

It seems that way. From the last page, you could say subconsciously, she doesn't want to see Souma being expelled.

Eh.. him teaming up with the PSD's pretty much non-existent, since he submitted his name alone, & they're doing their own booth, as indicated by Isshiki.

Also, I don't think he'd want (direct) assistance from someone better than him, since he wouldn't see it as merit-worthy if he does acheive his goal.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by PSY.Gangnam

It seems that way. From the last page, you could say subconsciously, she doesn't want to see Souma being expelled.

Eh.. him teaming up with the PSD's pretty much non-existent, since he submitted his name alone, & they're doing their own booth, as indicated by Isshiki.

Also, I don't think he'd want (direct) assistance from someone better than him, since he wouldn't see it as merit-worthy if he does acheive his goal.

Seriously Erina's just doing what she always has done which is remind him whats actually at stake because Soma doesnt get it. Soma is naive one of the consistent things of this series is Soma taking actions without realizing the consequence. Erina more often then not has done that. You're pushing a little too much on the shipping.

[Dysprosium]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

PSY im not saying its nonsense because i believe it is. the problem is you guys are looking for a reason to bring shipping into a show that has absolutely no indication of it. Especially since the main male Soma has shown zero interest in romance or anything other then becoming the top cook.

I mean seriously if this was a harem series you'd be blasting him like most do Ichika and other MC's because of the fact he's ignoring these girls clearly showing interest in him.

Did Tsukuda-sensei happen to tell you of the events leading up to the finale of the manga? If he did, please share it with us.

What has IS even got to with this? Its totally apples & oranges comparison.

[DOmus]

Honestly, I can only see Takumi , Houji and Giganigga(if he is not helping Eizan) helping him. Kurokiba may do something with Alice, the same goes from Hayama and Jun. PSD will be doing their thing and Erina will be doing her things too. Nikumi is with the don so its a nono.

[Dysprosium]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

Seriously Erina's just doing what she always has done which is remind him whats actually at stake because Soma doesnt get it. Soma is naive one of the consistent things of this series is Soma taking actions without realizing the consequence. Erina more often then not has done that. You're pushing a little too much on the shipping.

So now your contrarian views are the universal truth?