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demino_hellsin · 2014-03-21, 10:59

Screwing the rules to the point that I plan to have Touma actually talk down to a god and still elevating Othinus as his superior in power despite wielding 2 Imagine Breakers and 2 invisible things.

Othinus herself was able to escape the effects of the fairy spell with the help of the local magicians, but it's already eaten away at her abilities as a majin. She's kind of somewhere in the middle of the two. She can store telesma and force her way back into a majin and even more telesma to force her way back to a state where she pushed her probabilities to one extreme. But such would only last seconds, maybe less than a second.

tsunade666 · 2014-03-21, 17:12

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Originally Posted by demino_hellsin

Screwing the rules to the point that I plan to have Touma actually talk down to a god and still elevating Othinus as his superior in power despite wielding 2 Imagine Breakers and 2 invisible things.

Othinus herself was able to escape the effects of the fairy spell with the help of the local magicians, but it's already eaten away at her abilities as a majin. She's kind of somewhere in the middle of the two. She can store telesma and force her way back into a majin and even more telesma to force her way back to a state where she pushed her probabilities to one extreme. But such would only last seconds, maybe less than a second.

ah.. your powering him up? I don't like that.

I prefer Touma as he is. Though I would like him to use some weapons or gadgets from the science side or sci-fi series. Like a multi-crossover. With his time in infinity phase? I would think he has lots of idea of advance technology. But the problem is working on them.

Ne needs speed and speed he will get in AT.

as for weapon a alchemy metal from Chrome Shelled Regios series. Where the weapon is pact into small but when restore the form of weapon is revealed. I image touma wielding 2 hand guns for short to middle. dagger for short and sniper for long.

As for IB? really 1 is all that he needs. But he need it to change its form. Not the basic stuck on his right fist.

I also imagine Touma with strings. 7 strings. 100 strings 1000 steel threads.

Imagine the form of IB turning into a hand gun, a riffle, a dagger or steel threads. Steel threads would be probably the most deadly.

But the concentrated part is a spear.

A spear for throwing

a spear for killing

a spear for correcting.

demino_hellsin · 2014-03-21, 20:05

I thought Touma's IB would be more interesting with 2 of them instead of allowing it to change form. It's not so much a power-up as an added tool. The only thing that powers up is Touma's misfortune. The passive negation of divine protection and in Campione's case, the negation of a god's influence. For example, Athena's darkness and death aura. If Kamijou would appear before her, lights would begin to work around him and the feeling of death dissipates the closer you are to him.

I thought that having 2 Imagine Breaker is more interesting than free form for another reason. Free form means that IB can become anything. As you said, a sword, a gun, a spear. Maybe it can even become armor. I thought that something needed to be different. So what if he had Imagine Breaker on both hands instead? No more, no less, just both of his hands.it has advantages and disadvantages. In TAMNI he never needed a second Imagine Breaker because he was fighting humans. A punch would be just as painful as it ever was. Fighting gods in Campione's will be different. He needs Imagine Breaker as defense as well as offense, a normal punch won't work.

DsCrystalEyes · 2014-03-21, 23:30

Then! Then! The one on the right cancels, the one on the left transform, and make him wear a glove on the left.

demino_hellsin · 2014-03-22, 02:50

Not sure of the full extent of what I'll give Touma. The complete set of abilities I would be willing to give him can allow the feling of lower gods easily. Higher tier gods can still kill him in a moment's notice though.

The left Imagine Breaker would function just as his right Imagine Breaker normally does.

tsunade666 · 2014-03-22, 09:02

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Originally Posted by demino_hellsin

I thought Touma's IB would be more interesting with 2 of them instead of allowing it to change form. It's not so much a power-up as an added tool. The only thing that powers up is Touma's misfortune. The passive negation of divine protection and in Campione's case, the negation of a god's influence. For example, Athena's darkness and death aura. If Kamijou would appear before her, lights would begin to work around him and the feeling of death dissipates the closer you are to him.

I thought that having 2 Imagine Breaker is more interesting than free form for another reason. Free form means that IB can become anything. As you said, a sword, a gun, a spear. Maybe it can even become armor. I thought that something needed to be different. So what if he had Imagine Breaker on both hands instead? No more, no less, just both of his hands.it has advantages and disadvantages. In TAMNI he never needed a second Imagine Breaker because he was fighting humans. A punch would be just as painful as it ever was. Fighting gods in Campione's will be different. He needs Imagine Breaker as defense as well as offense, a normal punch won't work.

left and right?.... hmmm probably still not. He will probably need other tools because I think IB alone won't be much help. Sure it can kill the god if it reaches them but how will he reach them?

If not free forming then just right hand is fine for me. But he will have other tools to compensate for it. Because just having it stuck on his fist would be huge disadvantage he can take for a 1 hit kill move but the problem is distance and speed to execute.

A long range god will be troublesome than a god that enter his range of attack.

I still see a 2 IB as an advantage and disadvantage. I would prefer if he keeps his 1 IB on his right hand and a free left hand that can use different mundane tools. Mundane tools provided by a kihara. Thus Made in Kihara.

demino_hellsin · 2014-03-22, 10:34

Well I guess it does sound cooler using mundane tools to beat gods

Indeed the speed and range required become a huge problem for Touma. His current self can't handle deities on a higher order. But eventually it just means there's room left for him to grow. Also, at the very least he has the ability to avoid instant death. What I want to give his precognition is additional properties.

1 - precognition can now read what can or cannot be negated. In the attack, he can sense which parts of the attack can be negated. For example when a god tries to punch him, can he negate the force along with the god's fist? Stuff like that.

2 - his precognition can adapt to pace. Doesn't matter how fast or slow the enemy is, his precognition kicks in at the proper timing. Even if his enemy keeps changing the pace of moves, he will eventually fall into a pattern. The pattern of varying paces will then be adapted to.

DsCrystalEyes · 2014-03-22, 11:18

We could have Othinus threw him into the god like Gunha did to Misaka

But isn't two IB in both hands kinda restrict him in his normal life? For an instance, one he isn't allowed to kill, like Kazakiri? I suppose a glove would provide a solution. Extra man points for taking off the glove before the battle.

tsunade666 · 2014-03-22, 11:24

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For example when a god tries to punch him, can he negate the force along with the god's fist? Stuff like that.
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He doesn't need an upgrade on precognition because it works on data from his past battle and when it comes to battle. No one beats a million times battling against a magic god. He has plenty of it. Even though he said it only works against Othinus. I call that bullsh*t of the author to make Touma as normal as possible.

As for Stopping the punch of the god. As long as its a god which is pure creation from divine energy/Telesma it will be negated. So stopping a punch won't be a problem. it will even outright kill the god. With no exception. Look at what happen to Gabriel when it made contact with IB. It exploded/killed and returned to heaven. Though there would probably be a problem if a god has an authority that anchors him here or he/she has a core that needs to be destroyed for it to be beaten or killed.

LevelSeven · 2014-03-22, 11:46

a different idea:

toumas right hand can change abilitys of people...

so: touma touches mikoto and gains all her knowledge and ability but not the experience, so he can use her powers until he looses consciousness or starts to sleep...

it works for every ability, of course it is hard to touch accel and i think i will let fiamma also out (because of being OP chars XD),

even magical abilitys

the rules are a bit twisted, accel can reach Level 6 and fiamma can reach lsdap through hard work, if toumas right hand is severed he can use every copyed ability which forms itself in a strange aura and a demon-like hand....

a story how he would fight others if his ability would be powerbased instead of negating....

demino_hellsin · 2014-03-22, 12:38

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He doesn't need an upgrade on precognition because it works on data from his past battle and when it comes to battle. No one beats a million times battling against a magic god. He has plenty of it. Even though he said it only works against Othinus. I call that bullsh*t of the author to make Touma as normal as possible.

As for Stopping the punch of the god. As long as its a god which is pure creation from divine energy/Telesma it will be negated. So stopping a punch won't be a problem. it will even outright kill the god. With no exception. Look at what happen to Gabriel when it made contact with IB. It exploded/killed and returned to heaven. Though there would probably be a problem if a god has an authority that anchors him here or he/she has a core that needs to be destroyed for it to be beaten or killed.

It's precisely because he's had a million battle simulations with Othinus that his precognition becomes like that. He can't predict the moves but he can tell the properties. The change of attack patterns and pacing from Othinus attacks teach his precognition how to keep changing.

Also, it's not always a one punch situation.

rubix22 · 2014-03-24, 02:23

An idea that never quite made it. Posted here so I don’t regret never sharing it.

Panda Hero – Title is reference to the Gekota Rangers ( a super sentai parody I created that first appeared in Super Endymion SS ). Also a reference to a somewhat popular Vocaloid song. The idea is a loosely related prequel/sequel to Super Collider showing what Accelerator was up to during those events.

For those who have forgotten the plot of Super Collider ( did Super Collider have a plot? )a short summary is described below.

Spoiler for Super Collider Summary:

Panda Hero's plot: Accelerator briefly joins Judgement and at one point has to dress up as a panda to get punched for the filming of the Gekota Ranger Movie seen in Super Endymion SS.

Beginning scene where Kuroko learns about the new recruit.

Spoiler for Kuroko's Premonition:

And an additional scene with Accelerator and Uiharu.

Spoiler for Accelerator makes coffee:

demino_hellsin · 2014-03-24, 09:49

Othinus as a fairy means she's now only akin to a lower god right? What if she has a way to restore her majin-status... But it requires her to act like a Japanese kami, with her own shrine and she has to grant the wishes of people and stuff?

tsunade666 · 2014-03-24, 10:03

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Othinus as a fairy means she's now only akin to a lower god right? What if she has a way to restore her majin-status... But it requires her to act like a Japanese kami, with her own shrine and she has to grant the wishes of people and stuff?

Not really. The fae in Arthurian's story is a godlike existence. its just a different in view and probably aspect. So I can't call a fae as a lower god but a different being but can be said same as god.

demino_hellsin · 2014-03-24, 10:16

But don't those gods draw power from their believers?

tsunade666 · 2014-03-24, 10:35

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But don't those gods draw power from their believers?

Yes, for typical central gods need believers but others aren't. Gods that feeds on dreams or deaths, plague or misery doesn't need the believers to feed them with faith. They can relieve and be stable on their own. As long as there are people to harvest on.

Its hard to classify on what a god is because there are lots of them.

demino_hellsin · 2014-03-28, 05:13

Touma's IB only reaches up to his wrist right? Would it be considered an improvement if its effect reached up to his elbow? or maybe even shoulder?

LevelSeven · 2014-03-28, 05:41

strange enough is (that despite the fact that his active negating is limited to his wrist) that his healing ability runs over his whole arm... or maybe his whole body but accel tops toumas healing speed....

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Would it be considered an improvement if its effect reached up to his elbow? or maybe even shoulder?

if you want to make a fanifc about him with a extended IB than you could also give him a whole body IB...
in the beginning he would look OP but their are so many ways do defeat him even with that, as example: mikoto would easily defeat him, the same goes for every level 5, kanzaki and evryone who can attack with non-supernatural things, a interesting fight would be whole body IB vs Aero hand, even if he can negate that im curious if he could also cancel the acceleration...

tsunade666 · 2014-03-28, 06:28

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strange enough is (that despite the fact that his active negating is limited to his wrist) that his healing ability runs over his whole arm... or maybe his whole body but accel tops toumas healing speed....

if you want to make a fanifc about him with a extended IB than you could also give him a whole body IB...
in the beginning he would look OP but their are so many ways do defeat him even with that, as example: mikoto would easily defeat him, the same goes for every level 5, kanzaki and evryone who can attack with non-supernatural things, a interesting fight would be whole body IB vs Aero hand, even if he can negate that im curious if he could also cancel the acceleration...

I think your forgetting that Touma's RIGHT HAND is special itself. Fiamma said that its a perfect container for power. That itself hinted A LOT OF THINGS. The thing that Fiamma wanted from Touma is his right hand to material his own holy right. He doesn't want Imagine Breaker.

As for having a whole body IB. It will just give him more disadvantage than advantage.

As for IB vs Areo hand . It depends if the object already left the AIM field of the esper or its already been launch and just moving on its own. Remember, that IB can even negate railgun and Aqua's super overkill dive in vol 16.

All the power behind the attacks are negated as along as its powered by super natural abilities BUT if its just after effect of the abilities then it can't be negated.

LevelSeven · 2014-03-28, 08:08

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I think your forgetting that Touma's RIGHT HAND is special itself. Fiamma said that its a perfect container for power. That itself hinted A LOT OF THINGS. The thing that Fiamma wanted from Touma is his right hand to material his own holy right. He doesn't want Imagine Breaker.

i dont think that his right hand can be special without IB, what whould this be??

fiamma wanted the right hand because it contained IB, since he thought that IB is the perfect tool to purify the original sin he wanted it, not because anything special in his own right hand...

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As for having a whole body IB. It will just give him more disadvantage than advantage.

why ?? i think it would be a good matchup with the other beings, against pure supernatual powers he would be OP and agaisnt everything else he would need to struggle even more than normal

2014-03-24, 02:23	Link #6112
rubix22 On Cleaning Duty Join Date: Jun 2011	An idea that never quite made it. Posted here so I don’t regret never sharing it. Panda Hero – Title is reference to the Gekota Rangers ( a super sentai parody I created that first appeared in Super Endymion SS ). Also a reference to a somewhat popular Vocaloid song. The idea is a loosely related prequel/sequel to Super Collider showing what Accelerator was up to during those events. For those who have forgotten the plot of Super Collider ( did Super Collider have a plot? )a short summary is described below. Spoiler for Super Collider Summary: Chapter 1-2: Beloved tomboyish girl and gamer extraordinaire, Misaka Mikoto, visits the arcades and finds Misaka WORST and Last Order attempting to hijack a crane machine. After scolding them, she decides to play the crane game and get them a stuffed animal. Right when Misaka Mikoto sees the two off, a “little raincoat girl” appears and challenges her to play a game. The stakes are raised when it’s suggested that the “loser does what the winner wants”. Chapter 3-4: Flashforward, Misaka Mikoto is sulking at her loss. She’s so moody that she completely ignores Kamijou Touma as he asks her out on a date. She sulks around Academy City until she eventually starts hallucinating and passes out. Insert shipping moment <here> as Misaka Mikoto gets a piggy back ride from person X. After having a strange dream, she wakes up in naked in bed next to Misaka WORST. Sogiita Gunha then busts into their room like a badass and lays his eyes on Misaka Mikoto’s supple young body before being knocked out. Chapter 5-7: Misaka Mikoto tells Misaka WORST and Last Order the events of chapter 2; however, Sogiita Gunha goes back in time with the powers of plot convenience and GUTS to rewrite her memories. He sets up a rematch between Misaka Mikoto and the “little raincoat girl” in the past and starts training Misaka Mikoto in the present by blowing up the Yomikawa residence’s television and playing horsey with Last Order. Misaka Mikoto goes to the rematch wins against the “little raincoat girl” with the help of Accelerator. End. Also, the “little raincoat girl” is actually a robot with a backstory, but no one cares about that. Panda Hero's plot: Accelerator briefly joins Judgement and at one point has to dress up as a panda to get punched for the filming of the Gekota Ranger Movie seen in Super Endymion SS. Beginning scene where Kuroko learns about the new recruit. Spoiler for Kuroko's Premonition: One week before the events of Super Collider… A twin-tailed girl found herself in a familiar setting. An endless abyss of grey and white surrounded the young girl Shirai Kuroko. Her arms and legs stretched and floated wistfully as she slowly sank in this strange heavenly sea. Eventually, she found some footing on top of ground that was indistinguishable from the sky. And in front of her, she saw a child with similar characteristics to the senpai she adored so much. “Did you drop this Golden Canned Coffee?’ asks Misaka as Misaka displays the object in her hand...” Glimmers of gold reflected from her wide-open eyes. “‘Or did you perhaps drop this Silver Canned Coffee?’ asks Misaka as Misaka finishes her question.” And silver reflected as she held out another can. Shirai Kuroko stared blankly for a moment. She wanted to question the odd environment but instead gave this young girl her full attention. She waved her hands. “Neither. I actually don’t drink coffee.” The small girl grinned. “As Misaka Misaka thought, you’re a good person! You can have both!” “Were you not listening to me…!” The child pushed the cans into Kuroko’s arms and quickly ascended into the sky. And the twin-tailed girl stared up in distress. “What the-! These are empty!” “‘Ah, there should be a recycling center around the corner,’ says Misaka as Misaka disappears, ‘and also don’t peek!’” “Don’t just give me your trash damn it!” That morning, Shirai Kuroko jumped from the covers of her bed shouting a tsukkomi. ~ The day had started with a bad omen. Canned coffee was not something usually associated with bad omens, but for Shirai Kuroko, it felt like it ought to be. Until this day, canned coffee was a beverage that she never really gave much thought about. Black and bitter served hot or cold, imported from factories far from Academy City. Does one brand taste different to another? Probably not. Then again, Shirai Kuroko never cared to taste for a difference. But… to have canned coffee suddenly pop up in her dreams as an important object, it was unsettling. Unnerving. Ominous. “Canned... coffee...” The twin-tailed girl picked up the aluminum can from the vending machine’s dispense tray and studied it. She was baffled. “I pressed... green tea?” Had she unconsciously ordered ‘coffee’ instead of ‘green tea’? Or was the universe trying to tell her something? Shirai Kuroko was a scientific girl who knew better than to look too deeply in things like dreams or horoscopes, but a pattern was emerging. There was too little information to make anything out of it, but she could see it. The twin-haired girl had been cheated out of some pocket change and now carried an additional, unwanted drink in her inventory. “Coffee… coffee… coffee…” The girl mumbled this as she quickly made her way through School Garden. She passed by an alarming amount of people carrying canned coffee onhand. From the regular students around her to the adults patrolling the area, coffee was occupying a discernable amount of space. More and more people appeared drinking canned coffee. “Coffee… canned coffee… hot or cold…” As she continued forward, she began to take notice. The crowd around her was transforming into something odd. Puffs of white smoke hid it, but men and women were being encased in cylindrical coffins. Human-sized canned coffee with only their legs sticking out from the bottom. And a group of them decided to block her path. And they danced in circles around her. “Hey! Hey! How do you like your coffee~ Cream? Sugar? Black?” Taunting her, wearing her soul down, she had to escape it. It was spreading. They were everywhere. A conspiracy of canned coffee that only she was aware of. She turned around and ran. “Ugh…!” One of the cans bumped into her, causing her to drop her school bag. All of its contents spilled onto the ground, but instead of textbooks, pens, or paper, a stash of canned coffee rolled out into the streets. “What…?-!” And upon closer inspection, the floor was made of coffee. The buildings as well. “No… no…” Shirai Kuroko looked at her hands and saw that they had turned into aluminum cylinders. “No…! Oh god no…!” SNAP! “Are you listening?” The teleporter blinked. She was at her desk, still filling out paperwork for Judgement. Rubbing her eyes, she recalled. “Ah… you said… I’m sorry, but what was it that you said?” Konori Mii gave her a displeased look. “You’ve been like this all day. Are you sure you’re alright?” “No, no. I’m fine. I just didn’t get enough sleep last night.” Shirai Kuroko continued to rub her eyes, though it didn’t help in the slightest. “Is that so…” The girl in glasses didn’t look too convinced, but she shrugged it off. “Well, if that’s what you say, I’m sure you’ll have no problem showing our new part-timer the ropes. Several special favors were made to get him this position, so treat him well.” “Yeah… yeah…” She used a hand to cover a yawn. And an additional scene with Accelerator and Uiharu. Spoiler for Accelerator makes coffee: A white haired boy looked down at Uiharu Kazari, who was growing more and more nervous by the moment. “It's ready. Drink it.” And so she did. Tilting her head, she allowed the substance to pour into her mouth. It was hot. And bitter. More bitter than what she prepared for. Going by certain magazines and online sites, the girls there had always described the taste as ‘delicious’, but it was far from it. It was a taste that perhaps took time to get used to. Through her throat, the girl started to make noises. Nnnngh... nnnngh... nngh... … She let out a breath after taking it all in. … “You drank it all…? Didn’t think you’d be able to take it.” “It’s more bitter than I expected… but I don’t dislike the taste…” She wiped the residue at sides of her mouth where some of the liquid had spilt over. Forcing herself had made her sloppy. “But besides that… the smell just drives me crazy…” With her small tongue, she started to lick her fingers. __________________ Last edited by rubix22; 2014-03-24 at 02:42.

2014-03-21, 10:59	Link #6101
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	Screwing the rules to the point that I plan to have Touma actually talk down to a god and still elevating Othinus as his superior in power despite wielding 2 Imagine Breakers and 2 invisible things. Othinus herself was able to escape the effects of the fairy spell with the help of the local magicians, but it's already eaten away at her abilities as a majin. She's kind of somewhere in the middle of the two. She can store telesma and force her way back into a majin and even more telesma to force her way back to a state where she pushed her probabilities to one extreme. But such would only last seconds, maybe less than a second.

2014-03-21, 20:05	Link #6103
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	I thought Touma's IB would be more interesting with 2 of them instead of allowing it to change form. It's not so much a power-up as an added tool. The only thing that powers up is Touma's misfortune. The passive negation of divine protection and in Campione's case, the negation of a god's influence. For example, Athena's darkness and death aura. If Kamijou would appear before her, lights would begin to work around him and the feeling of death dissipates the closer you are to him. I thought that having 2 Imagine Breaker is more interesting than free form for another reason. Free form means that IB can become anything. As you said, a sword, a gun, a spear. Maybe it can even become armor. I thought that something needed to be different. So what if he had Imagine Breaker on both hands instead? No more, no less, just both of his hands.it has advantages and disadvantages. In TAMNI he never needed a second Imagine Breaker because he was fighting humans. A punch would be just as painful as it ever was. Fighting gods in Campione's will be different. He needs Imagine Breaker as defense as well as offense, a normal punch won't work.

2014-03-21, 23:30	Link #6104
DsCrystalEyes DsCrystalEyes Join Date: Mar 2014	Then! Then! The one on the right cancels, the one on the left transform, and make him wear a glove on the left.

2014-03-22, 02:50	Link #6105
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	Not sure of the full extent of what I'll give Touma. The complete set of abilities I would be willing to give him can allow the feling of lower gods easily. Higher tier gods can still kill him in a moment's notice though. The left Imagine Breaker would function just as his right Imagine Breaker normally does.

2014-03-22, 10:34	Link #6107
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	Well I guess it does sound cooler using mundane tools to beat gods Indeed the speed and range required become a huge problem for Touma. His current self can't handle deities on a higher order. But eventually it just means there's room left for him to grow. Also, at the very least he has the ability to avoid instant death. What I want to give his precognition is additional properties. 1 - precognition can now read what can or cannot be negated. In the attack, he can sense which parts of the attack can be negated. For example when a god tries to punch him, can he negate the force along with the god's fist? Stuff like that. 2 - his precognition can adapt to pace. Doesn't matter how fast or slow the enemy is, his precognition kicks in at the proper timing. Even if his enemy keeps changing the pace of moves, he will eventually fall into a pattern. The pattern of varying paces will then be adapted to.

2014-03-22, 11:18	Link #6108
DsCrystalEyes DsCrystalEyes Join Date: Mar 2014	We could have Othinus threw him into the god like Gunha did to Misaka But isn't two IB in both hands kinda restrict him in his normal life? For an instance, one he isn't allowed to kill, like Kazakiri? I suppose a glove would provide a solution. Extra man points for taking off the glove before the battle.

2014-03-22, 11:46	Link #6110
LevelSeven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Germany	a different idea: toumas right hand can change abilitys of people... so: touma touches mikoto and gains all her knowledge and ability but not the experience, so he can use her powers until he looses consciousness or starts to sleep... it works for every ability, of course it is hard to touch accel and i think i will let fiamma also out (because of being OP chars XD), even magical abilitys the rules are a bit twisted, accel can reach Level 6 and fiamma can reach lsdap through hard work, if toumas right hand is severed he can use every copyed ability which forms itself in a strange aura and a demon-like hand.... a story how he would fight others if his ability would be powerbased instead of negating....

2014-03-24, 09:49	Link #6113
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	Othinus as a fairy means she's now only akin to a lower god right? What if she has a way to restore her majin-status... But it requires her to act like a Japanese kami, with her own shrine and she has to grant the wishes of people and stuff?

2014-03-24, 10:16	Link #6115
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	But don't those gods draw power from their believers?

2014-03-28, 05:13	Link #6117
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	Touma's IB only reaches up to his wrist right? Would it be considered an improvement if its effect reached up to his elbow? or maybe even shoulder?