Higurashi - Game Discussion (spoilers lurk here)

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Originally Posted by FXtreme

Yes. The English version does the same. It mentions that the towel is wrapped around her but never says anything about the towel coming undone or anything like that.

He just wrapped Satoko while holding her. She then gets to walk by herself. Considering her mental state, both works, not like Kei would have said "huuum, the towel has been unwrapped and she's just half holding it now, 10/10, would bang". Adding the fact he didn't even care when she lost the towel.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Originally Posted by FXtreme

I see what you're saying, but I don't think it was right for Ryukishi to just draw the sprite the way he did without any explanation if he really wanted her to be like that. That's just bad writing. As far as I'm concerned, she shouldn't be that exposed.

It's not. Seeing Kei making comments about the way Satoko is holding her towel is useless, especially when the sprite talks about itself, that like adding a "rena said" at the end of a sentence.

Also, he didn't care about that the slightest, as he just said he didn't give a fuck when the whole towel felt.

[chaos_alfa]

Originally Posted by FXtreme

Oh my freaking goodness, if they know the sprite is contradictory and change the text to justify a sprite they know is unnecessarily sexualized rather than change the sprite (as numerous people have requested), there is going to be hell to pay! I know this is just a hypothetical (interestingly enough, I've imagined this scenario, too), but that would be so infuriating.

I wouldn't say removing the contradiction because it is a contradiction would have anything to do with if Satoko is or is not sexualized. Those two reason are not mutually exclusive.

The difficult thing about sexualization is that it is a subjective experience. This makes it difficult to judge. Like I have stated earlier for example, I don't see the original naked sprite of Satoko or her towel sprite as being sexualized. I just see a sprite of a naked child in distress. Nakedness doesn't always equals sexualization.

On the other hand I do think Kurosaki's version of the towel sprite is a bit sexualized. The reason for this is because his version is more curvy compared to the original, making her assets more pronounced.

Personally I still don't have a big problem with it, because the sexualization isn't very strong. It even get negated when the bruises are added and I wouldn't be surprised if MangaGamer is going to add those. We know that they are currently making some changes to the sprites.

[TW25]

Originally Posted by FXtreme

Surely her mental state isn't so bad that she wouldn't think to cover herself more. We can tell that she's recovered her senses.

You may want to rethink this because it makes it sound like you don't even know what Higurashi is.

"Surely her mental state isn't so bad"? Try revisiting literally any of the Kai arcs.

[chaos_alfa]

Originally Posted by FXtreme

I just meant that if they're going to eliminate one contradiction, they might as well make the change that makes them seem less perverted. Keeping her excessively naked just for the sake of it makes no sense (same for the original VN).

I wouldn't say the sprite is perverted enough for it to need to be removed.

I think the reason for Satoko to be naked in that scene is to show her vulnerability and to make the scene uncomfortable. It created a situation which highlights her state of mind. I think if Satoko was clothed the scene would have lost much of its emotional intensity.

[chaos_alfa]

Originally Posted by FXtreme

I disagree. The manga did a very nice job depicting her suffering without showing extra skin. There doesn't seem to be a real need for nudity. Even the anime version has its merits. I once read a comment on a blog with an opinion opposite to yours, too. That person said the Alchemist version is better emotionally because of the lack of nudity. The nudity in the original VN is uncomfortable all right, but for the wrong reasons.

Now that I'm thinking about it again. Maybe the same effect can be achieved with the towel totally wrapped around her. For some reason I was thinking of a totally clothed Satoko, while you never argued for that.

But I'm not yet convinced it is necessary to change the sprites on just those grounds.

Mainly, it just doesn't make sense to draw a revealing towel sprite. It is said that the towel is supposed to be wrapped around her, it is never mentioned that she lets the towel come undone, and I can't see her consciously walking around the village with her backside exposed.

The way TheGuraGuraMan explains it seems that the text isn't contradicting the sprite. It is just something which isn't explicitly stated in the text, but is also not denied. Writers often let the reader infer thinks form text even-though it isn't explicitly stated. I would think it is the same case with the scene in question. The sprite and text just offer some room for the reader to fill in what has happened to get to that situation. Using this technique a writer can skip actions and details which he find unnecessary to state outright. It also offer the reader to ability to make the story more personal or relatable by being able to choose how something looks, works, happened etc. using their own ideas.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

An improved version of the Rena default expression sprites comparison (MG's doesn't have the text on it anymore, and Kizuna is fully accurate now).

[xPearse]

How do I exactly uncompress the games nscript, and how exactly does onscripter fit into things. I know you can load the game through it, and change the text speed and scrolling but does it have anything to do with editing the games text. I didn't see anything like that on unclemion so can I get some help here.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Originally Posted by xPearse

How do I exactly uncompress the games nscript

By using the Onscripter tools available on unclemion's website.

and how exactly does onscripter fit into things

Wait what ?

[xPearse]

Yea, but I don't see any documentation on how to do so. And it's not like I'm knowledgeable about onscripter or anything like that so care to explain. I did manage to load the game using it but what do I from there.

[Levani]

You guys should continue talking about that in PM. It's super off-topic.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Dumping the wip of Kizuna Hanyu's casual clothes sprite.


Along with a preview of her school one :

And of the deity clothes :

(I changed myself the color of the suit to make it like the vanilla edition)

[Levani]

Looks really nice, great job.

[xPearse]

Originally Posted by Levani

You guys should continue talking about that in PM. It's super off-topic.

Don't worry, I just sent him a pm.

Originally Posted by TheGuraGuraMan

Dumping the wip of Kizuna Hanyu's casual clothes sprite. And of the deity clothes : Along with a preview of her school one :

(I changed myself the color of the suit to make it like the vanilla edition)

They look great, nice job.

[GrAVit]

Originally Posted by TheGuraGuraMan

Dumping the wip of Kizuna Hanyu's casual clothes sprite.
Along with a preview of her school one
And of the deity clothes
(I changed myself the color of the suit to make it like the vanilla edition)

Damn man, that's かわいい！
She's my favourite character (if you already hadn't figured that out lol) so I appreciate it. Also, can't wait to see Mangagamer's version, I hope they won't screw it up.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

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[GrAVit]

Damn, that's awesome. I really want Kizuna localized. I would insta-buy it.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Originally Posted by GrAVit

Damn, that's awesome. I really want Kizuna localized. I would insta-buy it.

Sadly, that most probably won't happen. The best way would certainly have been to make a deal with Alchemist to post Kizuna on Steam, but MG didn't seems to care.

This least, the artbook in this limited edition will get me a lot of Kizuna references, like, in the screenshot, Rena's action pose sprites. There should also have the Kizuna CGs, and illustrations that are most probably impossible to find otherwise (saw many "sample" Alchemist illustrations on the net that were just in low quality, maybe they're in the data book).

[Levani]

Sadly, that most probably won't happen. The best way would certainly have been to make a deal with Alchemist to post Kizuna on Steam, but MG didn't seems to care.

I don't think it's that easy for someone like MangaGamer to approach Alchemist to localize Kizuna and have it on steam. Even if such crazy idea could work, visual novels aren't popular in America and they barely make a profit. MangaGamer releases porn work because those kind of stuff sell more than quality works, unfortunately.

For MangaGamer to approach Alchemist and localize the DS version, first they would need to pay extra money to the company itself, then to a new translator and a coder who can port a DS game to PC. Or release Kizuna on DS at 2014 on a dead console.

I want it too, believe me, but at this point there is a zero possibility. MangaGamer can't profit from such an expensive localization. PC games are very different from console games.

And the sad truth is that even if it gets localized, not many people will buy it. Higurashi is already a dead franchise and there are really a few of us. It's not a popular work either. We are not enough to give MG profit for the amount of money they would need to pay to get this game over here.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Originally Posted by Hinamizawan

Is that other outfit supposed to be something she supposedly wore back in Ibaraki but wasn't seen wearing in Hinamizawa (it looks like there might even be another one in the bottom right in white)?

This sprite was used in Tokihogushi-hen :
http://whentheycry.wikia.com/wiki/Tokihogushi-hen

The other (you mean in the CG with the bat right ?) was for the flashback when she broke the windows in the first arc.