2008-03-24, 18:38 | Link #601 | |
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Here try this site:Click! Or here for a simple explanation Wikipedia is not always correct. And it cannot be trusted or explained well. If Buddhists doesn't believe in rebirth then like I said, people/countries change the Buddhist teachings to fit their believe/taste. And if Buddhist doesn't believe them, then they have missed the purpose of life. Moreover I didn't really mean that their ancestors are literally gods, but they worship as if they are gods. |
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2008-03-24, 18:40 | Link #602 |
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athiest. if you look at it this way almost all of the wars are revolved around religon or one of the other sides is a crazy religon place. thinking theirs a giant dude in the sky who will make your life better just seems stupid to me.
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2008-03-24, 19:25 | Link #603 |
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that may be true, or not. however, a lot of people need religion, or the idea that there is a god somewhere out there to exist. in fact, most humans need an idea to survive, and one of the most simple ideas there is would be a god. at least, it certainly has little need for many questions.
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2008-03-24, 19:32 | Link #605 | |
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Religion was something that for many years actually created order in society. "Why should I not kill people around me?" "Because you go to hell" As irrational a thought as it may seem to others, this held society together. It provided encouragement for those living to keep living despite the bad things in life, and it motivated others to do things for good causes. By having religion, society was in a way controlled. And even if we were to abolish religion because it is as bad as you say it is, people will always fill that void with something else. The atheistic communists of yesterday and today fill that gap with their government. Their own government becomes their religion! The state, not the individual. I'm in no way a religious person by any means, I'm agnostic, but I just feel that you have a narrow outlook on what role religion plays in life.
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2008-03-24, 20:47 | Link #609 | |
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Just because I have to admit that Scientology's beliefs are a possibility (and they are, although there's a lot of damning evidence against them) doesn't mean that my argument is false
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2008-03-24, 21:29 | Link #610 | |
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Also, i don't get what nines means by "yes also in buddhism it is also to rob a store as long as your not caught -.-"
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2008-03-24, 23:21 | Link #611 | ||
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@twkiwileereincarnation click:On Reincarnation) As it says, this notion of the transmigration of the soul definitely does not exist in Buddhism. Buddhanet is a good source for written materials. (note: I consider myself a Buddhist with some nasty secular humanist tendencies and a love of Shinto, eh? ) Quote:
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2008-03-24, 23:52 | Link #612 | ||
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Different Cultures intergrate their own beliefs and/or "religion" into Buddhism. For example, Hinduism intergrate or alter Buddhism in a way that I can't believe I have friends who are from the middle east said that [in religion I forgot the name, since there just so many different relugion names in the middle east] Buddhism has a God!? What? and not just that they thought Buddha was God, which I disagree. Or another example, some Christians say: " Oh i believe in Buddhism except we'll just intergrate God into this religion" And in some countries int he middle east that [I've heard] said made up stories about Buddhism, and say that's Buddhism. And so I was kind of pissed at that. so yea.. I hope I explained more clearly. O yea, and what you said about "Buddhanet.net is a good source for written material" I don't what you mean by that. (I'm not asking just so that I can rebuke you, but because I really don't know what you mean) Last edited by twkiwilee; 2008-03-25 at 00:05. |
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2008-03-25, 00:20 | Link #613 | |
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most importantly they didnt alter buddhism, the altered buddhism youre talking about is buddhism in its most basic form |
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2008-03-25, 00:29 | Link #614 | |
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I'm not saying Hinduism is the same as Buddhism or Hinduism intergates parts from Buddhism. I'm just upset at the fact that they talk/made up stories about how Buddhism (but not on purpose--that's what they learned) has something "holy" that's related or has some connections to Hinduism..Muslim..etc. <-- It just doesn't has to be about Hinduism..muslim..it could be anyone/ any religion, but I'm just saying it based on my past experience/encounters. Last edited by twkiwilee; 2008-03-25 at 00:57. |
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2008-03-25, 01:22 | Link #615 |
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Its pretty typical for people to map things they don't understand onto concepts they *do* understand.... even if they're unclear on the concepts of their own belief system. That sounds a bit of what your acquaintences are doing.
As for buddhanet.net, I just meant it was a good source for getting a clue about Buddhism or in reading essays on Buddhism.
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2008-03-25, 02:48 | Link #616 |
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I don't believe my acquaintences are doing anything.
but your reply and mine are actually the same for you stated: "this notion of the transmigration of the soul definitely does not exist in Buddhism" and mine "is re-born and develops a personality conditioned both by the mental characteristics that have been carried over...This process of dying and being reborn will continue until the conditions that cause it, craving" and ignorance, cease. When they do, instead of being reborn, the mind attains a state called Nirvana and this is the ultimate goal of Buddhism and the purpose of life." means the same thing. So I don't know what you mean by "typical to map things they don't understand onto stuff they do" I didn't not try change the wordings to fit my belief/statement. i was afraid that you might be like others that don't know what it means when Buddhist say reincarnation. |
2008-03-25, 02:50 | Link #617 | |
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although.. im not sure about this myself, but buddhism was somewhat of an exception to this, and jainism to some extent. buddhism was pretty fervently rejected, that is exactly why ( im saying this even though ive been raised hindu ) a religion/philosophy like buddhism which is more logical and believable in every way compared to hinduism, was never too succesful, and instead really started developing further east. |
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2008-03-25, 03:06 | Link #618 |
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I think we're all nodding in synchrony (though my head hurts and its time for bed here).
What oompa posts about your friends may be what I was trying to say with "remapping". Must sleep...
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2008-03-25, 08:53 | Link #620 |
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I'm not any religion that anyone would know about. I go through life mixing what I believe is true into one thing, which is my religion. I'm not really sure if there is a term for it.
I have some things that I grabbed from a few different religions, and intertwined it together with my own thoughts. The closest thing I could find to this was something in one of my History books called "Divine Faith", which was the belief that all religions are pretty much the same. I can't find anything about it anywhere else though. Probably because it was very old, and only existed in one small country. |
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