Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei LN - Archived Discussion

[25th]

Originally Posted by silenceblade

I meant how to injure the user of psion armour. Except non-magic attacks such affecting the environment there is no way but a huge different in magic abilities.

I think that the degree of decomposition (mist dispersal) he fired against tomitsuka is on a much lower degree as compared to when he's decomposing a tank. I also think that he can decompose him if he really wants to.

[NoLife222]

BTW, anyone got the translation for ninendo chptr 6?

[babbo3d]

Originally Posted by hakazee

Part 0-2 @ EnigmaticAxiom

Spoiler for Chapter 0:

In a small, nameless mountain village covered in snow, a young middle school girl stands alone in a classroom. She notices a group of ten people with weaponry approaching. At the front gate, four remain, and the remainder split into two groups of three and move about the school grounds. The ones at the front fire a rocket which is blocked by a barrier. Since the intruders know they can overpower magic, and the rebound from the first rocket was not large due to its distance, they fire four rockets all at once. This time, the barrier is set right in front of them and they're hit by the blast directly.

Another three approach the girl in the classroom and attempt to invade it, but there's a wall made of magic separating the hall and the class. They try to fire, but it fails to work. The remaining three rappel down the side of the school and break through the window. This surprises the girl and she releases her barrier, now surrounded by six people. She rushes at one and knocks him out while the remaining five fire at her, but a barrier around her reflects the bullets, knocking everyone else out. The girl, Sakurai Minami, is called over the intercom to meet with Yotsuba Maya.

Sakurai Minami is a 15 year old girl who was modified in utero to become a strong Magician of the Sakura series, which is strong with heatproof barriers (though not to the level of the Juumonji family barriers). Maya and Hayama talk to Minami, saying, though she made mistakes, she passed her test overall. They then proceed to ask her if she planned to go to high school, then simply tell her to go to First High School. They would use a machine to brainwash her for the next three weeks so she would have all the necessary knowledge to pass the written exam. This method, however, is cruel and causes permanent loss of brain cells. She would pass into a coma for a short time after the exam (I'm unsure if the knowledge is permanent or not).

Spoiler for Chapter 1:

Three days before the entrance ceremony, Tatsuya is standing awkwardly in front of the mirror with an ecstatic (okay, I'll be honest, the way it's written, it sounds like she's on the verge of climax) Miyuki standing next to him and Minami standing behind her. She wants Tatsuya to put on a blazer which was sent to them from the school which they had received the night before. Tatsuya consents for his sister's mental health. Minami moves to help him put it on, but Miyuki stops her.

On the blazer is an eight-petal emblem with a cogwheel surrounding it, each emblem leading to one of the teeth on the gear. Tatsuya is quite clear that seeing this has dispelled one years worth of resentment built up in Miyuki from whenever she saw a difference between their uniforms. The emblem on his jacket represents a new Magical Engineering Department (Magic Technician Department, but I was not sure if I should use this or not, since B-T terminology has Magic Technician as a more official phrase for Magicians, so I will stick with the former). First year students would matriculate as usual, 100 Course 1, 100 Course 2. When they get to second year, however, they can continue with the General Magic Department or take an exam in March try and join the Magic Engineering Department. Second year students will be divided into 4 classes for Course 1 (100 total), 3 classes for Course 2 (75 total), and 1 class for the Magic Engineering Department (25 total). Because of this, there were a few Course 1 students who joined the new department, leading to a reshuffling of the students, which is why Mikihiko made it to Course 1 (meaning he was at least in the top 25 of all Course 2 students, though I believe he was closer to number 1). No word was given about Leo and Erika. This course was experimental, so the university sent a teacher for the experimental department; if it was successful, more resources (students) would be allocated to the magic engineering department and more teachers would be sent. Though it was openly an experimental curriculum, every student and faculty who new any information at all knew it was entirely due to Tatsuya, who, despite being a Course 2 student, had achievements known both within the school and outside the school, all of which made the school more prestigious.

Miyuki was obviously proud of this moment and made Tatsuya pose about (she apparently did the same thing to Minami) before asking the two if they would like the tea. Minami apparently did not like this, since Miyuki was doing her job for her. Apparently there was a silent battle going on the week after Minami arrived, but they reached a consensus on how housework would be done. (Minami gets Laundry duty, Dishwashing duty, Cooking and Teatime Duty when Tatsuya was out, and Helped prepare Miyuki's clothing. Miyuki got Cooking and Teatime Duty whenever Tatsuya was in the house and helped prepare Tatsuya's clothing. Lucky bastard). Though they were still arguing over it to some extent (Miyuki not wanting to give up her lovey-dovey Onii-sama duties), it was pretty much set in stone at that point.

During teatime, the three speak about the entrance ceremony. They were 1) Surprised that the freshman representative was not one of the Saegusa twins, but a boy (the first in five years) named Shippou Takuma, a member of the 18 Assistant Houses (I really don't know how else to put this; sorry. I'll explain that next), which may cause friction between students. They also comment that Minami, had she taken the exam more seriously, could have become representative, but she held back on the practical so as to keep a lower profile. They also discuss a possible use for any potential conflict between the Shippou boy and the Saegusa twins to decrease the curiosity due to the relationship between Minami and the siblings (her cover story is that they are cousins). This chapter ends with the three discussing a Home Party Shizuku would have later that night and how Minami should attend with them.

Now for the explanation. There are 28 clans at the level of the 10 Families. The top ten get the title while the remaining 18 act as subordinate/assistant clans. I originally thought these families represented the Hundred Houses (it may have, actually, in the web novel, but I can't be sure), but that set of clans is on a lower tier of strength. Shippou happened to be one of the subordinate clans with the number 7 in it (I believe the 18 clans are assistants to any and all of the ten families), so there is potential tension between the Shippou and the Saegusa, who are both families of the same tier of strength. Personally speaking, I don't believe it would be a competition when the family as a whole competes, since the Saegusa takes the number 1 or 2 spot amongst all those 28 houses. The Shippou boy may take some rivalry, though, and try and outdo the sisters. Either way, Tatsuya thinks about the headaches he will have in their presence. Also, the Double Seven likely refers precisely to this - some kind of discord between two clans who are held high amongst all Magicians of Japan.

Spoiler for Chapter 2:

At the home party, Miyuki, Minami, Honoka, and Shizuku were talking to each other when a small, timid boy comes up and greets Tatsuya. Shizuku kindly scolds him for not giving a proper greeting. He introduces himself to Tatsuya (and Miyuki) as Kitayama Wataru, Shizuku's younger brother. He was somewhat avoiding Miyuki (I don't believe it was explained why, but it states he was clearly nervous). Miyuki does not mind, since she does not feel he is ignoring her because he dislikes her, but Minami does not like that he sleighted her master. She introduces herself in a polite, yet clearly annoyed manner. Honoka asks what Wataru wanted to speak to Tatsuya about to clear up the awkward atmosphere. Wataru asks Tatsuya if someone who cannot use magic become a Magic Artificer. Tatsuya promptly replies it is impossible because a feel for the flow of magic is necessary for adjustment. While Wataru is depressed, Tatsuya continues to say there are many systems in the CAD, and if he studies hard enough, he can find something that may help his sister, which catches Wataru off guard.

One of Shizuku's cousins, a plain looking man, comes to greet her with a beautiful looking woman, Sawamura Maki. The woman is apparently an actress who was nominated for an international movie award, so Honoka knew of her. The actress asks to confirm the identity of the Shiba siblings, saying she saw their performance at the Nine-Schools Competition. The woman says the two make quite a couple and invite them to a salon (hard to figure this one out on my part). Tatsuya refuses, mainly because she invited him, which is the most suspicious point. Miyuki, who is also suspicious of the woman, also declines, claiming she sees no need to go against her brother's decision. While she is surprised, the siblings (followed by Minami) head to get some food. Maki just goes back to talk to Shizuku (who she was sucking up to, I guess because she's going to marry into the family).

Spoiler for Chapter 3:

Maki steps out of a vehicle "driven" (it's self propelled) by her boyfriend before an apartment complex. She kisses him goodbye and then stops smiling after he turns the corner. She goes up to her apartment on the top levels of the apartment and relaxes. After she sits down for a drink, a bodyguard mentions that Shippou Takuma has arrived. Without bothering to change (she's wearing a dressing gown and no make-up), she sees him in and acts in a presentable manner.

The two are not particularly on friendly terms, but they have allied themselves together because they both wish to change something. For Takuma, it is likely he wishes to change something regarding the Ten Families, while what Maki wants to change is currently unknown. Throughout the entire conversation, however, she takes the lead with her acting. She mentions that Mitsui Honoka will likely join Takuma's Faction, probably due to her attitude towards Maki as an actress. With this, they will be able to get a stronger connection with the Kitayama Family. Takuma notices something odd about Maki's behavior and asks her to tell him. She mentions that the Shiba siblings will be difficult, likely because they have a special relation with Saegusa Mayumi. Though she has no proof, she says this because because they jilted her and because she knew saying this would annoy Takuma. Takuma, in his anger, states that he will eventually clash with the siblings, but it will be a problem because Miyuki is popular. Maki suggests he use Miyuki's bro-con attitude and the hatred a large portion of the school has for Tatsuya to try and undermine the Student Council.

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Here, is it me or in this summaries it feels like there are parts missing but i can't remember.

[NoLife222]

Originally Posted by babbo3d

Here, is it me or in this summaries it feels like there are parts missing but i can't remember.

Thanks for the summary. But is there any full translation of the novel, sometime summary did not give out all the details.

[Rasen]

Originally Posted by NoLife222

Thanks for the summary. But is there any full translation of the novel, sometime summary did not give out all the details.

Only if you read Chinese.

[NoLife222]

Originally Posted by Rasen

Only if you read Chinese.

Where can i find it? Not Baidu u mean?

[Rasen]

Originally Posted by NoLife222

Where can i find it? Not Baidu u mean?

I dunno. I don't read Chinese, so I don't care.

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by Flere821

More Vol11 Chinese translation is up:

Spoiler for comment on new stuff:

After the 3rd intelligence division (not sure on the Eng name) backed by the Saegusa took the Parasites away from Mikihiko, Leo and Erika, there's a scene showing Kudou Retsu and his granddaughter Kyouko watching the scene. We've got some interesting tidbits here, such as the Yotsuba are the only family among the Ten Master Clans to have the 'Branch Families' set-up, though Kudou's words suggest the Kudou family might have been a splinter from the Kokonoe clan a long time ago. (either that, or he's remembering his brother who went to the US a long time ago)

Another interesting tidbit was that Saegusa Koichi only got involved in the Parasite incident because he thought Maya had a interest in them, having sent the one of Yotsuba's branch families to eliminate them. Judging from Kudou's words Koichi seems to have a love-hate relationship with Maya, due to what happened 30 year ago he wants to be stronger than the Yotsuba no matter what. The inner Tatsuya+Miyuki shipper in me thinks Koichi is targeting the 101st Battalion and Tats but not Miyuki is because Tats' has a connection to Maya and Miyuki doesn't, but this is pure WMG TL notes snarked Koichi is like a primary school kid who likes to bully the girl he likes, but I'm not sure how reliable this comparison is

Kyouko asks what should they do in response, as they couldn't just allow 3rd division to do as they pleased. Kudou said to leak the info the Maya anonymously and let the Yotsuba take care of things - while fully aware of the irony of how painful it is for Koichi if Maya was the one directly responsible for shutting him down this time.

After Maya got the info and verified it, she sent it towards Libra, who then sent the command to Lina to execute the Parasites 3rd division has stored. The WEB version didn't mention how the USNA had managed to find out about those Parasite's location.

maybe Koichi want to has a good relationship with Yotsuba. but Yotsuba do not give a damn

[Ultragunner]

oh dear, an old man with an obsession with his old love?

[AeraColthearts]

Hello everyone, I'm someone who's quite new here in animesuki. However, I've been actively reading this thread for the past few months.

I just want to reply to questions based on my own simple understanding. (I'm not really fond of reading Mahouka's wall of text explaining about the magics.) Please feel free to correct me.

Originally Posted by Rasen

He can construct magic sequences with skill, but that's a different issue.

As I understand it, the only reason more people don't use Gram Demolition is because they don't have the psion count for it. Other than that, it's a simple technique.

Actually, from what I remember it has been indicated multiple of times that Tatsuya has an excellent psion control. The fact that he can dual-wield cads is already a testament to it. I think it has also been mentioned during the Nine Schools Competition by Miyuki?

Is it really true that Gram Demolition needs fine control of psions to use?

If so, then I don't think that Miyuki would have it since she doesn't exactly have a fine control over her psions.

One more thing...

This way, the magic that your opponent is casting is forcibly blown away by the psions.
In order to halt that kind of furious charge, a multi-layered defensive wall of psions might barely hold up.

I know that Phalanx is Mist Dispersion's natural enemy. However, I think that with the aid of Gram Demolition, Tatsuya would win against Juumonji. Or is it actually Decomposition?(if so, then it would make my opinion wrong)

[babbo3d]

Originally Posted by NoLife222

Where can i find it? Not Baidu u mean?

if there was one would we have given the summaries.

[Jirachier]

Who said anything about wasting power? Let me try and use a math example, because we're talking about Tatsuya's magic calculation area. Let's say you want to know the number of marbles in a jar. A brain which can only handle simple calculations will be forced to count the marbles one by one. It's very precise, but it's also slow. In contrast, a more powerful brain might instead do an estimate by counting the number of marbles high and multiply by another estimate of the number of marbles in a horizontal cross section of the jar. And if the jar has an irregular shape, even more estimates have to be made. It's much faster, but the answer is much less precise.

So going back to the Magicians in MKnR, because the Magicians are taught from early on that speed is what is critical (and for the most part, this is true), they power their way through creating magic sequences by doing a rough job, or quick estimates. And Tatsuya, with his abacus-level calculation area, is forced to do everything step-by-step.

You are assuming that the faster the spell the less control a person has over it which is something that has never been mentionned, and again Honoka was very impressed by this because she herself could not perform such an action, if your assumption was true then Honoka would know that if she took her time she'd be able to do that but the truth of the matter is, can't.

The book already implies Miyuki knew Tatsuya was going to do it.

Even if she knew Tatsuya was gonna do it, she actually took the time to wait for him to do so instead of doing it herself, it's pretty clear that she does not possess Gram Demolition, Miyuki likes to let her brother show off but not when people's lives are hanging in the balance.

Let's use a real-world example: Even if you can do a karate chop, it doesn't make you a karate practitioner. Same idea.

Your analogy doesn't really work here.
If we follow that example then, if Tatsuya could use Gram Demolition and had no other magical abilities and he decided to just live a normal life, he wouldn't be called a Gram Demolition practionner ?
Magic is different than martial arts where you need to learn many moves and techniques as well as gain experience, any person who can use a single magic spell is considered a magician.

[NoLife222]

The most suitable example of Tatsuya's advanced psion control is during the presidential election, when Miyuki's magic run amok when angered, Tatsuya gather all the rampaging psion around and pour it back into Miyuki. Juumonji once comment that controlling other's people psion is almost an impossible feat.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by NoLife222

The most suitable example of Tatsuya's advanced psion control is during the presidential election, when Miyuki's magic run amok when angered, Tatsuya gather all the rampaging psion around and pour it back into Miyuki. Juumonji once comment that controlling other's people psion is almost an impossible feat.

considering the link between them it makes sense but others don't know about it so it would be shocking to them.

[NoLife222]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

considering the link between them it makes sense but others don't know about it so it would be shocking to them.

Juumonji know the sibling relationship and consider even such relationship does not guarantee that type of psion control over their siblings.

[Rasen]

Originally Posted by AeraColthearts

Actually, from what I remember it has been indicated multiple of times that Tatsuya has an excellent psion control. The fact that he can dual-wield cads is already a testament to it. I think it has also been mentioned during the Nine Schools Competition by Miyuki?

If Miyuki says it, that's one thing. But dual-wielding is another. Shizuka can dual-wield as well, and the only real reason Miyuki doesn't dual wield is because of her idol worship of Tatsuya (she doesn't want to surpass him in anyway) This is more or less implied when the book describes Miyuki's reaction to Shizuka dual-wielding.

Actually, now that I think about it, Shizuku is a perfect example of what I was saying earlier. Shizuku is known for her magic power, not her fine control. So she usually told her technicians to add in as many fine-tuning functions to her CAD, and she trusted in her power to force the calculations through quickly.

Originally Posted by Jirachier

You are assuming that the faster the spell the less control a person has over it which is something that has never been mentionned, and again Honoka was very impressed by this because she herself could not perform such an action, if your assumption was true then Honoka would know that if she took her time she'd be able to do that but the truth of the matter is, can't.

It's a reasonable assumption to make, however. Typically the faster work is done, the sloppier it is. This is indirectly stated when the book talks about Shizuku's abilities. (The addition of fine-control for spells slows things down) Furthermore, a great deal of the magic processing is done in the unconscious area of the mind where it's faster and uncontrolled. Unfortunately for Tatsuya, his areas are dominated by his BS magics, so when he does magic processing for anything else, he has to do it consciously in his artificial calculation area.

If anything, this would also help explain why he's such a great technician. Because he has to do everything consciously instead of by instinct, he has to understand the exact workings of magic sequences, whereas everyone else has to fumble with a mix of knowledge and instinct. Of course, this is further supported by his Elemental Sight. Whereas others get fuzzy impressions of the magic sequences, he sees things in detail.

It's like how if you have a teacher, you want a regular person who studied and suffered, as opposed to a genius who understood everything in their gut. The regular guy understands the difficult areas. The genius can't understand why you're so slow and stupid.

Even if she knew Tatsuya was gonna do it, she actually took the time to wait for him to do so instead of doing it herself, it's pretty clear that she does not possess Gram Demolition, Miyuki likes to let her brother show off but not when people's lives are hanging in the balance.

The thing is, WITH a CAD, Tatsuya is as fast as everyone else in casting magic, because he doesn't have to construct the magic sequences. So for Miyuki to "wait" for Tatsuya is probably faster than doing both by herself (or at least of similar speed), because she would have to do the calculations for one spell, cast it, then do calculations for another and then cast it.

And remember, Miyuki uses Generalized CADs, which are usually slower than the Specialized CADs (which Tatsuya uses).

Your analogy doesn't really work here.
If we follow that example then, if Tatsuya could use Gram Demolition and had no other magical abilities and he decided to just live a normal life, he wouldn't be called a Gram Demolition practionner ?
Magic is different than martial arts where you need to learn many moves and techniques as well as gain experience, any person who can use a single magic spell is considered a magician.

Ah, but to be considered a Gram Demolition "Practitioner" as you put it, maybe you have to be able to cast it multiple times. If you cast it once and then can't cast any more spells (or at least a second one), it's really not a weapon you would ever use. To go back to the Karate practitioner example, let's say he knows all the moves and techniques. But if he ever hits someone, he breaks his own bones instead. Then he's really not a practitioner, and certainly not in a practical setting.

Originally Posted by NoLife222

The most suitable example of Tatsuya's advanced psion control is during the presidential election, when Miyuki's magic run amok when angered, Tatsuya gather all the rampaging psion around and pour it back into Miyuki. Juumonji once comment that controlling other's people psion is almost an impossible feat.

As someone else mentioned earlier though, that's because Miyuki's magic is being used to seal his power. That bond does crazy things. For instance, Miyuki's magic control goes down when the seal is in place, because she's sealing Tatsuya. When the seal is removed, then her control goes back to excellent.

[Jirachier]

If Miyuki says it, that's one thing. But dual-wielding is another. Shizuka can dual-wield as well, and the only real reason Miyuki doesn't dual wield is because of her idol worship of Tatsuya (she doesn't want to surpass him in anyway) This is more or less implied when the book describes Miyuki's reaction to Shizuka dual-wielding.

Actually, now that I think about it, Shizuku is a perfect example of what I was saying earlier. (Jirachier, this applies to you too) Shizuku is known for her magic power, not her fine control. So she usually told her technicians to add in as many fine-tuning functions to her CAD, and she trusted in her power to force the calculations through quickly.

First Shizuku is known for her magic power more than precision, which means she literally isn't good at precision, it's not her choice not to be precise, she just isn't. Second this precision doesn't have anything to do with psion control, it has to do with using her magic to accomplish the goal she wants and nothing more.

It's a reasonable assumption to make, however. Typically the faster work is done, the sloppier it is. Furthermore, a great deal of the magic processing is done in the unconscious area of the mind where it's faster and uncontrolled. Unfortunately for Tatsuya, his areas are dominated by his BS magics, so when he does magic processing for anything else, he has to do it consciously in his artificial calculation area.

If anything, this would also help explain why he's such a great technician. Because he has to do everything consciously instead of by instinct, he has to understand the exact workings of magic sequences, whereas everyone else has to fumble with a mix of knowledge and instinct. Of course, this is further supported by his Elemental Sight. Whereas others get fuzzy impressions of the magic sequences, he sees things in detail.

It's like how if you have a teacher, you want a regular person who studied and suffered, as opposed to a genius who understood everything in their gut. The regular guy understands the difficult areas. The genius can't understand why you're so slow and stupid.

You do realize that Tatsuya can use his inborn magic in around 0.2 seconds but also he can even use it to only target part of an object rather than the whole which is an extremely difficult thing to do.
My point is, even if we assume speed equals less precision, when it comes to the strongest magicians they are able to accomplish things swiftly without any loss in precision.

And why do you choose to ignore my argument about how Honoka was impressed by Tatsuya's demonstration, if this was something that can be easily accomplished just by taking your time with it, it would not have left such a lasting impression on her, she even went as far as saying that it was something she saw for the first time in her life. There is no way that what Tatsuya did was mundane.

The thing is, WITH a CAD, Tatsuya is as fast as everyone else in casting magic, because he doesn't have to construct the magic sequences. So for Miyuki to "wait" for Tatsuya is probably faster than doing both by herself (or at least of similar speed), because she would have to do the calculations for one spell, cast it, then do calculations for another and then cast it.

And remember, Miyuki uses Generalized CADs, which are usually slower than the Specialized CADs (which Tatsuya uses).

This is the age of modern magic, even "slow magic" is super fast, using Gram Demolition by herself then following up with another magic would most definitely have been faster than waiting for Tatsuya.

Ah, but to be considered a Gram Demolition "Practitioner" as you put it, maybe you have to be able to cast it multiple times. If you cast it once and then can't cast any more spells (or at least a second one), it's really not a weapon you would ever use. To go back to the Karate practitioner example, let's say he knows all the moves and techniques. But if he ever hits someone, he breaks his own bones instead. Then he's really not a practitioner, and certainly not in a practical setting.

Why do you have to be able to use a spell multiple times to be called a practitioner of said spell, that makes no sense.
Take the head of the Itsuwa family, her body is extremely fragile so she probably shouldn't even use weak magic, so she probably can only cast Deep Abyss once a day otherwise it will be bad for her health, should she not be considered a strategic class magician because of that ?
Should we not consider Mikihiko a practitioner of Sense Tuning because he can only go as far as 2 senses ?
There exists levels of power for every magic, that is what separates two practitioners of the same magic, but even if someone can barely use something they are still considered one.

As someone else mentioned earlier though, that's because Miyuki's magic is being used to seal his power. That bond does crazy things. For instance, Miyuki's magic control goes down when the seal is in place, because she's sealing Tatsuya. When the seal is removed, then her control goes back to excellent.

Although the bond might have helped, it's undeniable that it was thanks to Tatsuya's power that he was able to put her psions back inside of her.

[Rasen]

Originally Posted by Jirachier

First Shizuku is known for her magic power more than precision, which means she literally isn't good at precision, it's not her choice not to be precise, she just isn't. Second this precision doesn't have anything to do with psion control, it has to do with using her magic to accomplish the goal she wants and nothing more.

And what determines precision? Her eyes? No, it has to do with the Magic Sequence. That's why they add in functions to the CAD to add in the details for targeting or whatever else the caster can't deal with.

You do realize that Tatsuya can use his inborn magic in around 0.2 seconds but also he can even use it to only target part of an object rather than the whole which is an extremely difficult thing to do.
My point is, even if we assume speed equals less precision, when it comes to the strongest magicians they are able to accomplish things swiftly without any loss in precision.

First, the only magic of his that was timed was Auto-Regen, I believe. And then, we have no idea as to how "clean" the magic sequence is.

And why do you choose to ignore my argument about how Honoka was impressed by Tatsuya's demonstration, if this was something that can be easily accomplished just by taking your time with it, it would not have left such a lasting impression on her, she even went as far as saying that it was something she saw for the first time in her life. There is no way that what Tatsuya did was mundane.

Because you're ignoring my argument about most of the magic calculations being done by the UNCONSCIOUS mind. That means they have limited control on how fast they construct the magic sequences. This is why Erika could improve her construction time by putting one hand over the other, even though it has nothing to do with magic construction. Tatsuya is different because he HAS to use his artificial calculation area for anything other than his BS magic.

Furthermore, since the magicians are being trained to keep improving their speed in calculations they don't fully comprehend, they just get used to doing everything really quickly, and it becomes difficult to slow things down. Think about how much work it was to understand multiplication in the beginning. Now, you not only do it lightning fast, but you've even stopped thinking about the math behind it. You just "know" the answer. Now, if you try and slow yourself down to the time when you were figuring out that multiplication is just another form of addition, you can't do it. You can try, but your brain will keep screaming the answer out to you before/during you actually working it out step-by-step.

Lastly, because Honoka fell in love with Tatsuya's magic when he was forced to do a regular spell. We have no idea as to what her impressions would be of his BS magic.

This is the age of modern magic, even "slow magic" is super fast, using Gram Demolition by herself then following up with another magic would most definitely have been faster than waiting for Tatsuya.

That depends on how you look at it. Gram Demolition doesn't hit a target immediately, it's forced to travel a distance. Whereas the magic Miyuki uses probably acts on a specific coordinate.

Therefore, even if she cast Gram Demolition by herself, she would have to wait for it to reach the target before she casts the next spell. (otherwise, the next spell would get lost in the mix of magic sequences)

Either way, she's forced to wait for Gram Demolition to arrive and work before she does the next spell..

Why do you have to be able to use a spell multiple times to be called a practitioner of said spell, that makes no sense.
Take the head of the Itsuwa family, her body is extremely fragile so she probably shouldn't even use weak magic, so she probably can only cast Deep Abyss once a day otherwise it will be bad for her health, should she not be considered a strategic class magician because of that ?

You based this on what? I don't recall any discussion about physical health and magical ability.

Should we not consider Mikihiko a practitioner of Sense Tuning because he can only go as far as 2 senses ?

If he can only use it once, or if Sense Tuning specifically refers to 3 senses or more, then no we should not.

There exists levels of power for every magic, that is what separates two practitioners of the same magic, but even if someone can barely use something they are still considered one.

You're contradicting your earlier statement about karate users. First you said a person has to know all sorts of things before they can be considered a practitioner. Now you're saying that they only need to know a few things.

It comes down to this: people all over the world have the ABILITY to do something like karate. But unless they actually DO it, they're not a practitioner, or a user. And for most magicians, it's not worth pursuing because of the psion requirements. They have better and more efficient ways of fighting other magicians.

Although the bond might have helped, it's undeniable that it was thanks to Tatsuya's power that he was able to put her psions back inside of her.

Yeah, but Tatsuya's power in what? Just because it LOOKS like Tatsuya forced the psions back in, doesn't mean that's what he did. Like what he did with Miyuki's ice, by using his ability to rewrite the magical record, things look like they're being rewound/reversed/healed. Which would make the psions look EXACTLY like they were being poured back into Miyuki

[Sylux]

How would you like it if Tatsuya's friend would find out about him being a Youtsuba and a Bs and exactly what kind of Bs?

Personnaly i would find that interesting.

[NoLife222]

Originally Posted by Sylux

How would you like it if Tatsuya's friend would find out about him being a Youtsuba and a Bs and exactly what kind of Bs?

Personnaly i would find that interesting.

Erika already find out that he is a Yotsuba. Most of his most closed friend know he is BS.