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EvilSociopath323 · 2016-09-25, 04:42

This is really really really far fetched but maybe Sariel's trying to create an additional god?
In a situation where she can't really stop Shiro's plan how could she possibly prevent the mass deaths that would occur? Shiro said that to prevent the mass murdering an additional god would be necessary. Ariel can't become a god as was stated by Shiro but what about Shun? His soul is still young and we don't know how much protection the ｎ％Ｉ＝Ｗ skill gives him therefore his soul just might be able to make the jump into godhood. Shun is someone who most likely would share Sariels views on life and self-sacrifice so he would be a good candidate for the sacrificial god that Sariel would want. He is right now too weak to become a god but what if he absorbed Ariels power?

The Hero title makes him automatically stronger than the Demon lord. REGARDLESS of how strong Ariel may be she will loose to Shun if they fight. The hero system is just ridiculous like that. So I wonder just how much Shun would get stronger if he defeated Ariel. If his soul survived such a sudden 'upgrade' I wonder if a god evolution wouldn't get into his reach. But then again Shun getting the chance to fight Ariel is rather unlikely at best so if Sariel is betting on this it's again 'dumb'.

bludvein · 2016-09-25, 05:06

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Originally Posted by EvilSociopath323

The Hero title makes him automatically stronger than the Demon lord. REGARDLESS of how strong Ariel may be she will loose to Shun if they fight. The hero system is just ridiculous like that. So I wonder just how much Shun would get stronger if he defeated Ariel. If his soul survived such a sudden 'upgrade' I wonder if a god evolution wouldn't get into his reach. But then again Shun getting the chance to fight Ariel is rather unlikely at best so if Sariel is betting on this it's again 'dumb'.

From what I understand It's not quite that absolute. The Hero doesn't automatically win against the Demon Lord, but every time they fail the next holder gets a bigger boost until they overpower the Demon Lord. Problem is, Ariel is probably a dozen times stronger than any previous holder. Even if Shun was exceptional for a Hero, that's only within the normal frame. He's so far off from Ariel's level that even the boost shouldn't overturn it.

Rasty · 2016-09-25, 05:14

^ Yeah, it was even said that no matter how many times Maou wins and crushes the Hero a new one will always be born and it is Maou's fate to be defeated by Hero in the end. Thus it should be like the "undefeatable stages" in some games. No matter how many times you win there always appears a new enemy who is a bit stronger than the previous, till you finally lose and the story continues on.

Breimn · 2016-09-25, 05:24

Plus there is Sophia, Oni and Shiro taking care of killing people. And lets not forget the "average " Mera .

Rasty · 2016-09-25, 05:29

^ 10th army composed of only guys on elite level (might be 1 or 2 guys like that in every country) and if pinched the right way Kuro and his army of dragons.

gn_X00 · 2016-09-25, 05:36

the demon army is a bit too ridiculous that the thought of any human hero can kill it is impossible...

not to mention Ariel got a maxed stat and omg skill level

Obstendro · 2016-09-25, 06:20

Don't forget that shun is corrupt by the kindness skill, the him who doesn't want to kill anyone is not really him (even if the real him is a little like that too). And there was one chapter where shun think in S22 that the world is sad and ugly

Breimn · 2016-09-25, 06:46

Poor hero , a puppet of the goddess forced against an invincible army.

kari-no-sugata II · 2016-09-25, 07:56

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Originally Posted by gn_X00

i'm actually surprised on the development. How much of it was planned since the start I mean... it's quite amazing if author really planned the Sariel drama since the day author introduced hero title to Shun in early chapters

It's hard to be certain but it does feel that at a high level that this was planned from the start. Maybe some of the details were undecided though, or changed, but the broad details seems to have been planned in advance.

For example, one of the things I was looking forwards to finding out was exactly why a Queen Taratect was dropped on Argnar. I hadn't been able to come up with a strong reason for it. The actual reason in the end was certainly pretty interesting and quite a surprise, which was nice, though also rather sad.

I had been kinda sitting on the fence for whether or not Shiro planned for Shun to become the Hero or not. I was almost about to do a post yesterday saying it would be more interesting if it was unplanned, because it ramps up the tension/drama - it's more interesting to see the MC struggle and overcome problems. But I ran out of time and the chapter got posterd already...

I also think it would make for a more interesting story if the Goddess is in fact too kind for her own good (and the world). You could say she made a deal with the devil (Evil God D) to save the world. I don't think D went along with it out of kindness but because it amused her. If we look at Oka-chan sensei and Shun in particular, it doesn't seem too unlikely that we could have a character who really is extreme enough to do this. Actually, this story is full of characters with extreme aspects - from the MC to the pope to Shun, sensei and the goddess. You could say that Kuro and Ariel don't really have extreme personalities but were that devoted to the Goddess to keep on following her wishes, despite all the problems.

I think having a clash between various "extreme" characters is more interesting than if one of the supposed "good" characters turns out to be evil all along - kinda kills that character (to me at least).

kari-no-sugata II · 2016-09-25, 09:44

275 "The end of the Human-Demon Great War" is out in raw.

kari-no-sugata II · 2016-09-25, 10:24

Basically, more of a summary chapter. The demons won 4 battles, lost 3 and 1 was a double knock-out (whoops, sorry Argnar!). For where Shiro's army is, the 7th Army regrouped after the Hero died and the 10th Army joined in, so they're basically winning and have almost taken the fort.

But poor Shiro has lots of work to do. Eg, figure out what to do about Shun. Adjust plans for the System to factor in that the Goddess might intervene. Re-organise the army to start the attack on the elf village. Incidentally, sounds like imouto-chan will get control of Natsume

Poor Shiro is feeling rather stressed so hopes to get something sweet to eat (I think we know how that will end)

Xacual · 2016-09-25, 11:08

I don't think Sariel made any kind of plan with D. It was stated that the only one from this world that had previously met D was Kuro.

As for the thing about the Hero defeating the Demon King. Shiro is well aware of how that works from earlier in the story. She's not going to let the Hero and Demon King fight. She'd just let Sophia or Wrath beat the shit out of Shun or install kill him herself if she had to.

Xellos-_^ · 2016-09-25, 11:52

didn't Kuro said he never meet D because of thier difference in God Rank?

Rasty · 2016-09-25, 12:14

No, he was saying that low level gods as he is have little chances to meet high level gods like D, which he used as an excuse for D's stating that he was trembling as a little puppy when he met her.

Also, I wouldn't take D's words as the truth as she is the type that would lie if it seemed things are gonna be more funny that way. There also might be some catch in what she said like they never met but communicated or such.

lullabyz · 2016-09-25, 12:15

It's weird! Sariel became the core of a system made by D without having met with D...

Another thing I just noticed. Shiro and Ariel have a similar life. Both of them are spiders, met with kindness of someone, tried their best to repay the kindness they receive. Then they have to go against those benefactor at the end. Well, Shiro had it a lot better than Ariel though....

Aren't these spider too pitiful? ;w;

Xacual · 2016-09-25, 13:11

It wasn't D that said it. Kuro said it. He said he was the only one of this world that had met D. So the only option would have been if Sariel had met D secretly.

testeottilio · 2016-09-25, 13:13

Do you think any of the other incarnated will evolve into God?
The Katia has the ability "Divinity Area Expansion:. Divinity area is expanded"

Xacual · 2016-09-25, 13:27

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Originally Posted by testeottilio

Do you think any of the other incarnated will evolve into God?
The Katia has the ability "Divinity Area Expansion:. Divinity area is expanded"

I really don't think so. If any of them become a God, I think the most likely is Shun through influence of Sariel because she could count on him being the same kindness idiot as herself and likely would sacrifice himself for the world.

testeottilio · 2016-09-25, 13:41

I do not think I left no setup for it to absorb energy like Kumo did ... but I'm kind of restless, do not want other people to become God, outside the Kumo should kill the enemies before they become a problem.

Rasty · 2016-09-25, 13:55

Btw. why did Shiro not massacre the humans and mazoku as she was planning in the beginning?
It got refused by Kuro in that point, but she had him locked up for 7 years, she should have had enough time to make a modern art of their bodies let alone just killing them.

2016-09-25, 05:36	Link #6326
gn_X00 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: in His domain	the demon army is a bit too ridiculous that the thought of any human hero can kill it is impossible... not to mention Ariel got a maxed stat and omg skill level __________________ ~Memento Mori~

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Xacual Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008	I don't think Sariel made any kind of plan with D. It was stated that the only one from this world that had previously met D was Kuro. As for the thing about the Hero defeating the Demon King. Shiro is well aware of how that works from earlier in the story. She's not going to let the Hero and Demon King fight. She'd just let Sophia or Wrath beat the shit out of Shun or install kill him herself if she had to. __________________ I was influenced by a certain group overflowing with madness and started trying to write a story. Please give it a try. Crashed into Fantasy

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Xellos-_^ Not Enough Sleep Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: R'lyeh Age: 48	didn't Kuro said he never meet D because of thier difference in God Rank? __________________

2016-09-25, 13:11	Link #6336
Xacual Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008	It wasn't D that said it. Kuro said it. He said he was the only one of this world that had met D. So the only option would have been if Sariel had met D secretly. __________________ I was influenced by a certain group overflowing with madness and started trying to write a story. Please give it a try. Crashed into Fantasy

2016-09-25, 13:13	Link #6337
testeottilio Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2015	Do you think any of the other incarnated will evolve into God? The Katia has the ability "Divinity Area Expansion:. Divinity area is expanded" __________________ “ Love is poison. A sweet poison, yes, but it will kill you all the same. [37] ” – Cersei to Sansa Stark

2016-09-25, 04:42	Link #6321
EvilSociopath323 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015	This is really really really far fetched but maybe Sariel's trying to create an additional god? In a situation where she can't really stop Shiro's plan how could she possibly prevent the mass deaths that would occur? Shiro said that to prevent the mass murdering an additional god would be necessary. Ariel can't become a god as was stated by Shiro but what about Shun? His soul is still young and we don't know how much protection the ｎ％Ｉ＝Ｗ skill gives him therefore his soul just might be able to make the jump into godhood. Shun is someone who most likely would share Sariels views on life and self-sacrifice so he would be a good candidate for the sacrificial god that Sariel would want. He is right now too weak to become a god but what if he absorbed Ariels power? The Hero title makes him automatically stronger than the Demon lord. REGARDLESS of how strong Ariel may be she will loose to Shun if they fight. The hero system is just ridiculous like that. So I wonder just how much Shun would get stronger if he defeated Ariel. If his soul survived such a sudden 'upgrade' I wonder if a god evolution wouldn't get into his reach. But then again Shun getting the chance to fight Ariel is rather unlikely at best so if Sariel is betting on this it's again 'dumb'.

2016-09-25, 05:14	Link #6323
Rasty Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015	^ Yeah, it was even said that no matter how many times Maou wins and crushes the Hero a new one will always be born and it is Maou's fate to be defeated by Hero in the end. Thus it should be like the "undefeatable stages" in some games. No matter how many times you win there always appears a new enemy who is a bit stronger than the previous, till you finally lose and the story continues on.

2016-09-25, 05:24	Link #6324
Breimn Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015	Plus there is Sophia, Oni and Shiro taking care of killing people. And lets not forget the "average " Mera .

2016-09-25, 05:29	Link #6325
Rasty Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015	^ 10th army composed of only guys on elite level (might be 1 or 2 guys like that in every country) and if pinched the right way Kuro and his army of dragons.

2016-09-25, 06:20	Link #6327
Obstendro Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2015	Don't forget that shun is corrupt by the kindness skill, the him who doesn't want to kill anyone is not really him (even if the real him is a little like that too). And there was one chapter where shun think in S22 that the world is sad and ugly

2016-09-25, 06:46	Link #6328
Breimn Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015	Poor hero , a puppet of the goddess forced against an invincible army.

2016-09-25, 09:44	Link #6330
kari-no-sugata II Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2015	275 "The end of the Human-Demon Great War" is out in raw.

2016-09-25, 10:24	Link #6331
kari-no-sugata II Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2015	Basically, more of a summary chapter. The demons won 4 battles, lost 3 and 1 was a double knock-out (whoops, sorry Argnar!). For where Shiro's army is, the 7th Army regrouped after the Hero died and the 10th Army joined in, so they're basically winning and have almost taken the fort. But poor Shiro has lots of work to do. Eg, figure out what to do about Shun. Adjust plans for the System to factor in that the Goddess might intervene. Re-organise the army to start the attack on the elf village. Incidentally, sounds like imouto-chan will get control of Natsume Poor Shiro is feeling rather stressed so hopes to get something sweet to eat (I think we know how that will end)

2016-09-25, 12:14	Link #6334
Rasty Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015	No, he was saying that low level gods as he is have little chances to meet high level gods like D, which he used as an excuse for D's stating that he was trembling as a little puppy when he met her. Also, I wouldn't take D's words as the truth as she is the type that would lie if it seemed things are gonna be more funny that way. There also might be some catch in what she said like they never met but communicated or such.

2016-09-25, 12:15	Link #6335
lullabyz Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015	It's weird! Sariel became the core of a system made by D without having met with D... Another thing I just noticed. Shiro and Ariel have a similar life. Both of them are spiders, met with kindness of someone, tried their best to repay the kindness they receive. Then they have to go against those benefactor at the end. Well, Shiro had it a lot better than Ariel though.... Aren't these spider too pitiful? ;w;

2016-09-25, 13:41	Link #6339
testeottilio Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2015	I do not think I left no setup for it to absorb energy like Kumo did ... but I'm kind of restless, do not want other people to become God, outside the Kumo should kill the enemies before they become a problem. __________________ “ Love is poison. A sweet poison, yes, but it will kill you all the same. [37] ” – Cersei to Sansa Stark

2016-09-25, 13:55	Link #6340
Rasty Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015	Btw. why did Shiro not massacre the humans and mazoku as she was planning in the beginning? It got refused by Kuro in that point, but she had him locked up for 7 years, she should have had enough time to make a modern art of their bodies let alone just killing them.