D.C II ~Da Capo II~

[PhoenixG]

No, Nemu wasn't mentioned in the game. I presume she died.

[relentlessflame]

About Nemu,

Spoiler for original D.C. game vs. anime:

in the anime you might sort of get the impression that she was sickly only because of the Sakura Tree, and that killing the Sakura Tree means she's "all better". The game makes it a bit more clear that Nemu was always a bit sickly, and this is one of the reasons why Junichi always felt the need to protect her (remember how the original anime started with Junichi checking her temperature; this was to make sure she wasn't falling ill again). So the fact that she may have passed on earlier than Junichi isn't all that surprising in that sense. But, as PhoenixG said above, this is another one of those things the game never clearly explains, though it's implied.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

About Nemu,

Spoiler for original D.C. game vs. anime:

in the anime you might sort of get the impression that she was sickly only because of the Sakura Tree, and that killing the Sakura Tree means she's "all better". The game makes it a bit more clear that Nemu was always a bit sickly, and this is one of the reasons why Junichi always felt the need to protect her (remember how the original anime started with Junichi checking her temperature; this was to make sure she wasn't falling ill again). So the fact that she may have passed on earlier than Junichi isn't all that surprising in that sense. But, as PhoenixG said above, this is another one of those things the game never clearly explains, though it's implied.

Well i remember that and i figured if she did that that would be the reason. Just figured that I'd check.

[DragoonKain3]

So uhh, I first dayed DC2 from mangagamer, but I haven't had a chance to play it yet (nor will I soon with the holidays being so busy and all). So just gonna ask just in case I have time later on, is there a true end for DC2? And if so, do I have to do all the routes like so many games do?

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

So uhh, I first dayed DC2 from mangagamer, but I haven't had a chance to play it yet (nor will I soon with the holidays being so busy and all). So just gonna ask just in case I have time later on, is there a true end for DC2? And if so, do I have to do all the routes like so many games do?

There is a true end for D.C. II (well, more like an Epilogue I guess), and you have to play at least 4 out of the 6 main routes to unlock it. The heroines are organized into groups:

Group A: Anzu & Minatsu
Group B: Koko & Nanaka
Group C: Otome & Yume

You must complete at least one route from Group A and one from Group B in order to unlock Group C. You must then complete both from Group C to unlock the special ending. You'll be able to tell that you've met these thresholds because the background of the title screen will change.

IIRC, completing all the routes will unlock some bonus content (staff interview, I think??).

Anyway, 4 1/2 years ago I never imagined that this game would ever be officially localized, so it's quite amazing to me all in all. Looking forward to playing the game again myself (and making sure that my understanding of everything was correct ).

[Vegard Aune]

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

There is a true end for D.C. II (well, more like an Epilogue I guess), and you have to play at least 4 out of the 6 main routes to unlock it. The heroines are organized into groups:

Group A: Anzu & Minatsu
Group B: Koko & Nanaka
Group C: Otome & Yume

You must complete at least one route from Group A and one from Group B in order to unlock Group C. You must then complete both from Group C to unlock the special ending. You'll be able to tell that you've met these thresholds because the background of the title screen will change.

IIRC, completing all the routes will unlock some bonus content (staff interview, I think??).

Anyway, 4 1/2 years ago I never imagined that this game would ever be officially localized, so it's quite amazing to me all in all. Looking forward to playing the game again myself (and making sure that my understanding of everything was correct ).

I was under the impression that you only got the true ending after clearing all six routes? Ah well, whatevah. Yeah, great to see that it's finally been officially translated. Though I never did manage to finish all of the first game... (Though that's mostly my computer's fault-- it suddenly decided that it was a dangerous virus, for some reason... I just hope it takes a bit more kindly to this one.)

[DragoonKain3]

I think it's merely a false positive (at least with AVG), because it was also recognizing that mangagamer's original DC was a virus as well. When I switched to avast, it said it was ok though.

Anyways, you gotta be kidding me! Need to suffer through either Anzu or Minatsu's first before group c? Oh well, I guess I'll do Koko first then, and after blaze through Anzu's (never really liked robot girls XD)

Thanks though! Gfaqs wasn't very helpful in this area...

[Vegard Aune]

Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

I think it's merely a false positive (at least with AVG), because it was also recognizing that mangagamer's original DC was a virus as well. When I switched to avast, it said it was ok though.

Anyways, you gotta be kidding me! Need to suffer through either Anzu or Minatsu's first before group c? Oh well, I guess I'll do Koko first then, and after blaze through Anzu's (never really liked robot girls XD)

Thanks though! Gfaqs wasn't very helpful in this area...

Yeah, it's definitely AVG that's the problem... Sadly, I'm far too lazy to switch to another program, and the first Da Capo is the only game I've had trouble with from them so far, (II is working fine) so...

And personally, I have no problem with the way the game is set up, because I still love Minatsu, and was planning on doing her route first anyway. Or, it's either her or Nanaka, who somehow managed to make more of an impression on me here in the one scene she's appeared in than she did in the entire anime...

EDIT: I have now cleared Minatsu's route and am currently going through Nanaka's, and I just wanted to say... Yuzu freaks the hell out of me. Seriously, there is just something about that insanely cheerful and energetic behaviour of hers that seems extremely unnerving to me, for whatever reason.

[Vegard Aune]

Ok, Nanaka route cleared. And I have 3 things I'd like to say...
1. Nanaka sure was way more lovable and awesome here than I remembered her being in the anime. Like, I think I can actually understand why she's so popular now.
2. I still find Yuzu more disturbing than cute.
3. Mabushikute Mienai is such a nice song... Actually, before I started playing the game, I had pretty much decided that I'd do Minatsu's route first because, y'know, I'm still something of an Amakase-fanboy, and then Nanaka second just for that song. Though I obviously ended up enjoying her story for way more than just that.

Oh yeah, by the way... Does the game ever give a real reason as to why...

Spoiler for OH GOD THIS IS SUCH A MASSIVE SPOILER FOR THE OTHER ROUTES!!!:

...Yoshiyuki doesn't disappear when the cherry trees wither in Nanaka and Anzu's routes? I mean, apart from the fact that it would really break up the flow of the story, of course.

[hayate-sama]

Originally Posted by Vegard Aune

Ok, Nanaka route cleared. And I have 3 things I'd like to say...
1. Nanaka sure was way more lovable and awesome here than I remembered her being in the anime. Like, I think I can actually understand why she's so popular now.
2. I still find Yuzu more disturbing than cute.

1. Agree, go ready Imaginary Future and you can die without regret
2. Yuzu is cute in my opinion

Spoiler for spoiler:

Sakura hasn't return so it is assumed that she gave her life in order to save Yoshiyuki

Nanaka route was delicious treat until it get to the drama part, I haven't finish it yet,

Spoiler for Nanaka route:

my progress stop after the day after their first date, Yoshiyuki 's relationship progress really fast, yesterday first kiss then the day after they have already

I only compete Anzu route but compare to Nanaka it lacking a alot. May be because we didn't see match interaction between Anzu and Yoshiyuki

Spoiler for Anzu:

Because she saud that she has already like yoshiyuki before while Nanaka starts to develop feeling to Yoshiyuki by spend time together with him. Imaginary Future manga give more insight view of Nanaka and the manga is much sweeter, much more delicious Nanaka x Yoshiyuki moments.

Nothing better Nanaka in kimono greeting you on the first days of the year

[Vegard Aune]

Originally Posted by hayate-sama

Spoiler for Nanaka route:

my progress stop after the day after their first date, Yoshiyuki 's relationship progress really fast, yesterday first kiss then the day after they have already

Eh, I've seen worse. I remember in the Asa Shigure route in Shuffle...

Spoiler for ...where...:

...They basically agreed to go out together, then had their first kiss, then had sex... all in one scene. My reaction was basically something along the lines of;

RIN YOU INSANELY LUCKY BASTARD WHOM I AM TOTALLY GOING TO MURDER LATER, YOU'RE GOING WAY TOO FAST!!! YOU DO NOT GO FROM ACCEPTING A GIRL'S FEELINGS, TO KISSING HER, TO MAKING LOVE TO HER IN JUST FIVE MINUTES, YOU FREAK WITH ABSOLUTELY NO SELF-CONTROL!!!

...I might be exaggerating that reaction a little, but yeah... That was unreasonably fast. Though by real life standards, I guess Yoshiyuki and Nanaka could have waited a bit longer too, but eh, whatevah.

EDIT: Anzu's route cleared.

Spoiler for Impressions:

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Well, that sure was quite an emotional story. I'm not really sure what else to say about it right now, but... it definitely got to me. While I suppose this one didn't exactly have the most serious issue out of all the routes in the game, but it was definitely the most dramatic one out of the ones I've played through so far. To the point where I felt the relatively cheerful ending-theme felt somewhat out of place. (Especially once I recognised what that background-image in the credits was of...)

Also, that was the most inappropriately placed H-scene ever. Stop placing those in the middle of dramatic scenes, dammit! You're really killing the mood!

Well, anyway, that's 3 routes done, and so far, I think I can safely say that this is way better than the anime.

[MeganeShounen]

Sorry for trying to bring something back up, but this is really just bugging me lately.

Did they release a DC2 version of 第二ボタンの誓い/Dai 2-botan no chikai?

And, no matter what happens, no matter gets in my way, I will finish Nanaka's route. Even if it's the last VN I'll ever play.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by MeganeShounen

Sorry for trying to bring something back up, but this is really just bugging me lately.

Did they release a DC2 version of 第二ボタンの誓い/Dai 2-botan no chikai?

And, no matter what happens, no matter gets in my way, I will finish Nanaka's route. Even if it's the last VN I'll ever play.

I'm saving Nanaka's route for last just so i can ensure finishing this novel. Save the best for last because i will be sure to go for it.

[Vegard Aune]

Just finished Yume's route...

I seem to recall relentlessflame once mentioning how he thought this was the best written route in the game. And while I still have Koko and Otome's routes to go before I can say for sure, I feel inclined to agree. That was... pretty much perfect. Well, apart from the H-scenes. How I wish Mangagamer had adapted the all-ages version instead... (Or, wait. If they did that... I'd have to sit through an Aisia-route. Excuse me, I have to go ponder if that would really be worth it.)

[Flying Dagger]

Originally Posted by MeganeShounen

Did they release a DC2 version of 第二ボタンの誓い/Dai 2-botan no chikai?

Don't think they did - the closest thing would be the phone ringtone used in the game.


Character:
Otome>nanaka>anzu>yume>koko>minatsu
Story
Otome>yume>koko=nanaka=anzu>minatsu


I like the first 1/2 of Otome's story more than any other routes: she has a very cute, caring, and straight forward attitude. How can you resist someone running down the hall yelling "Otouto-kun~!" cheerfully?
The 2nd 1/2 of her route is partially shadowed by the whole "incident investigation" event - I wish they could have spent more time together without worrying about such a thing. It gets rather painful to bear towards the end when Otome kept her distances. Yoshiyuki thinks about her all the time yet the lack of interaction between the two makes me want to scream at her for wasting what little precious time they have left together. I wish the epilogue can be a little longer to compensate the lack of interaction. (I am willing to trade the h-scene at the end for a few more days of stories - the scene seem a little out of place)

Yume's route is like a mirror to Otome's: at first she seem to pale in comparison to her sister: she is somewhat whiny, not as caring, keeps things to herself. Yet you get a glimpse of her cuter side when she wait for you at the school gates + tries to learn how to cook properly. Towards the end the two share a lot of irreplaceable memories together before Yoshiyuki's inevitable disappearance. I also like the whole "dream"/foreshadowing/fate theme a lot.

The final scene of Yume's is more touching than Otome's.

Onto the other characters:
As a Kotori fan I started the game with Nanaka. Perhaps the Kotori syndrome is still in effect (after many years), I expected too much/hoping to find a shadow of her (possible) ancestor within Nanaka. There are bits and pieces which I believe could have been done better. For example, I feel as if Nanaka recovered from her loss of power a little too quickly: I do not expect another “going to hole myself up” scenario (Kotori), but I would like to see her trying to understand others and express herself one step at a time instead of mastering it just after seeing the fight between yoshiyuki and wataru.
Yuzu’s story could also use a little more work. Having Nanaka slowly learning to communicate with others via Yoshiyuki and Yuzu, then moving onto dealing with Koko I believe would make a better story.
Koko's story is a lot better than expected.

Onto Anzu: her character/little teases she does makes her really stand out.
I like Anzu better with her hair down .

One thing to note is that the music is really well done with the various scenes.

Having now finished the game I am very disappointed at the anime: characters (esp Yume's buns) look so deformed and the plot in the anime does not do the game any justice. I believe a "hard reset" story telling style might be more suitable.

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by Flying Dagger

Don't think they did - the closest thing would be the phone ringtone used in the game.

For the record, they actually did, but it was on a Sofmap Bonus CD, so not an easily-available track.

And other than that, re: your comments about Nanaka, I would just say that Nanaka starts out the game a lot more sociable and outgoing than Kotori, and she didn't use her "powers" as much as a crutch as Kotori did. Hence, the different story. I don't think she really needed to learn how to communicate with others as she was never really bad at that to start with; she could only use her powers when she touched someone anyway, so she wasn't constantly bombarded with others' thoughts as Kotori was. They probably could have done a lot of her story without having that power at all; I always felt it was there more for a sort of fanservice than for anything truly plot-critical.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Vegard Aune

Just finished Yume's route...

I seem to recall relentlessflame once mentioning how he thought this was the best written route in the game. And while I still have Koko and Otome's routes to go before I can say for sure, I feel inclined to agree. That was... pretty much perfect. Well, apart from the H-scenes. How I wish Mangagamer had adapted the all-ages version instead... (Or, wait. If they did that... I'd have to sit through an Aisia-route. Excuse me, I have to go ponder if that would really be worth it.)

that would be Plus Situation the expanded all ages version of da capo 2. There is a hentai version of that called plus communication.

i REALLY hope those get translated because i want the akane route

[Vegard Aune]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

that would be Plus Situation the expanded all ages version of da capo 2. There is a hentai version of that called plus communication.

i REALLY hope those get translated because i want the akane route

Yes, I know. I too wish they'd translate that. I'm curious about the new characters, (especially Aisia, despite the fact that she's kinda my least favourite character in this entire franchise...) and if the new routes are even half as good as the original ones, it's probably worth playing. Though of course, if they were to translate Plus Situation/Communication, they should probably do the one for the original D.C. first...

[Gibber]

Still Minatsu and Yume's routes left to go but I didn't expect Wataru to be a pretty good side character. Hell, he could have been a better protagonist lol.

Spoiler for Nanaka's and Koko's routes:

It's just kind of sad that he doesn't end up with Koko even in Nanaka's path. Koko's path was painful for me to play through haha. Having to reject Nanaka, then unable to confess his feelings, then stupid assumptions, and then agreeing to go out with Nanaka when he didn't even like her were killer for me. The "ok" end when Nanaka's in the hospital was kind of bizarre, seeing Yoshiyuki just emptying his feelings for Koko.

Also, I think the H-scenes weren't even needed (besides attracting sales) but meh, I'll take them. And I hate to compare source material to adaptation, but damn, why couldn't the anime have been more awesome like the VN.

Also, now another Nanaka fanboy ^_^

[Flying Dagger]

it frustrates me still how Circus left nanaka's heritage a mystery.