High School DxD Light Novel - Character power-ups, match-ups, and ratings

[kiiro94]

Originally Posted by The Infinite Dream

Typhoon isnt stronger than fenrir it literally states theyre the same involume 25. Perhaps is not a certainty and they never indicated afterwards that he is stronger. So as of right now in the story one is not stronger than the other since volume 25 reinforced them being equal. Would make absolutely no sense for them to take the same top 10 slot if one is stronger than the other.

Someone has to win, they are near equal, not equal.

[The Infinite Dream]

Then they wouldnt take the same slot. Having the same strength doesnt mean one or the other wouldnt win in a fight. There are other factors besides strength that will decide the outcome of a fight Lol give me some quotes that state Typhoon is stronger or something. I literally gave you the quote that reinforces theyre equal to each other from volume 25.

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by Ka-el

The first 4 new Maous were 2 Super Devil, the strongest female Devil and a Maou level Devil. And being a Maou is not based on power?

They're only the second generation of Maou though. And they basically got their positions due to being the heroes of the devil civil war.

Would you say that the Maou should only be pureblood devils because the only Maou the Underworld has had so far have been pureblood devils?

Again do you think that someone should become a Maou because of their power or being able to do the job? Most of the devils in the Underworld aren't Maou-class but that doesn't mean some of them aren't qualified to become Maou.

What does being very strong have to do with being able to secure negotiations with other supernatural factions, forming tactics and strategies for the Underworld in military situations, or directing the use of technology in the Underworld?

[The Infinite Dream]

@Lucidrago do you not believe the positions will be filled by the time shes able to pass on head of the family to Millicas. I mean hes like 9 isnt he so thats about 10 years until hes able to become head of the family thats not including if he decides to go to college like Rias is.

I honestly dont see her or Sona becoming a Maou.

[Parry999]

I mean Typhoon has a human brain and magic.

[The Infinite Dream]

@Parry999 yup thats why I said other factors besides strength would decide the winner between Typhoon and Fenrir even if someone is the same strength as another person that doesnt mean theres going to be a stalemate.

[godz]

issei juggernaut drive vs issei pseudo dxd G (before volume 25)

[Ka-el]

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

They're only the second generation of Maou though. And they basically got their positions due to being the heroes of the devil civil war.

Would you say that the Maou should only be pureblood devils because the only Maou the Underworld has had so far have been pureblood devils?

Again do you think that someone should become a Maou because of their power or being able to do the job? Most of the devils in the Underworld aren't Maou-class but that doesn't mean some of them aren't qualified to become Maou.

What does being very strong have to do with being able to secure negotiations with other supernatural factions, forming tactics and strategies for the Underworld in military situations, or directing the use of technology in the Underworld?

I remind you that the one who competed against Serafall for the leviathan position was Grayfia, who was fighting in the old Maou faction. It’s actually her strength that allowed Serafall to win that position. Devils are still a faction that fought in wars for millenniums, obviously being the strongest it’s the most important factor to determine who gets that position.

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by Ka-el

I remind you that the one who competed against Serafall for the leviathan position was Grayfia, who was fighting in the old Maou faction. It’s actually her strength that allowed Serafall to win that position. Devils are still a faction that fought in wars for millenniums, obviously being the strongest it’s the most important factor to determine who gets that position.

That's incorrect. Grayfia competed with Serafall for the title of 'strongest female devil.' Nothing was ever said about them ever competing over the Leviathan position.

The Underworld isn't just a society of very powerful devils who fight. It's a noble class-based society that has all the workings of a regular society. You have teachers, farmers, scientists, businessman, doctors, etc. Devils may be able to use demonic power but not every single one of them.is a combatant or fighter. For example, Magdaran, Sairaorg's brother, is a botanist and studies plants. He has the demonic power of a high-class devil and the Power of Destruction, but that doesn't mean he has to be a combatant.

Was it Serafall's strength or her accomplishments that allowed her to become Maou? The original Maou were just in their positions. And Sirzechs, Ajuka, Serafall, and Falbium succeeded them as Maou after the devil civil war due to their status as war heroes.

Again you can make a case for them to have inherited their positions based on strength, but can you really make a case for only Maou-class devils(or above) being chosen as Maou always as Sirzechs, Ajuka, Serafall, and Falbium are only the second-generation of Maou. You can't really say because they're Maou-class or above means that every Maou after them would have to be Maou-class or above.

Would you say Rudiger isn't suited to the Asmodeus position just because he isn't Maou-class.

[Emperor of D.]

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

That's incorrect. Grayfia competed with Serafall for the title of 'strongest female devil.' Nothing was ever said about them ever competing over the Leviathan position.

The Underworld isn't just a society of very powerful devils who fight. It's a noble class-based society that has all the workings of a regular society. You have teachers, farmers, scientists, businessman, doctors, etc. Devils may be able to use demonic power but not every single one of them.is a combatant or fighter. For example, Magdaran, Sairaorg's brother, is a botanist and studies plants. He has the demonic power of a high-class devil and the Power of Destruction, but that doesn't mean he has to be a combatant.

Was it Serafall's strength or her accomplishments that allowed her to become Maou? The original Maou were just in their positions. And Sirzechs, Ajuka, Serafall, and Falbium succeeded them as Maou after the devil civil war due to their status as war heroes.

Again you can make a case for them to have inherited their positions based on strength, but can you really make a case for only Maou-class devils(or above) being chosen as Maou always as Sirzechs, Ajuka, Serafall, and Falbium are only the second-generation of Maou. You can't really say because they're Maou-class or above means that every Maou after them would have to be Maou-class or above.

Would you say Rudiger isn't suited to the Asmodeus position just because he isn't Maou-class.

In devil's society, "strength" matters alot. Sairaorg is a prime example of this. It was his strength that allowed him to be the heir of the Bael house and it was his strength that gave him support. If Sairaorg was still weak like he was in the past then he would still be an outcast despite being the first born of the current head House of Bael.

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by Emperor of D.

In devil's society, "strength" matters alot. Sairaorg is a prime example of this. It was his strength that allowed him to be the heir of the Bael house and it was his strength that gave him support. If Sairaorg was still weak like he was in the past then he would still be an outcast despite being the first born of the current head House of Bael.

True.

But Iargely this is about whether you.need to be Maou-class or stronger to be a Maou. Which I believe you don't.

And you would have to believe that there are enough Maou-class devils and Super Devils to fill those positions.

[Emperor of D.]

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

True.

But Iargely this is about whether you.need to be Maou-class or stronger to be a Maou. Which I believe you don't.

And you would have to believe that there are enough Maou-class devils and Super Devils to fill those positions.

You would at least need to be Maou class for the position of being a Maou. Serafall became Leviathan even though Grayfia could've done just a good of a job of being a Maou. However Serafall was chose instead as she was the strongest female devil. Ajuka and Sirzech didn't really care for the position of Maou but was chosen because of their power.

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by Emperor of D.

You would at least need to be Maou class for the position of being a Maou. Serafall became Leviathan even though Grayfia could've done just a good of a job of being a Maou. However Serafall was chose instead as she was the strongest female devil. Ajuka and Sirzech didn't really care for the position of Maou but was chosen because of their power.

So are you saying that Grayfia would have been as good or better at foreign affairs than Serafall? Her personality doesn't really seem suited to it.

How does being Maou-class in strength affect your ability to do the job? Does Issei being Maou-class or above make him good when it comes to coming up with tactics and strategies as the Asmodeus position would entail?

When was it ever said that Serafall was chosen for the position of Leviathan just because she was the strongest female devil?

Again while their power might have had a factor in them becoming Maou, you can't say it was the main reason. They were basically war heroes.

Can you give me a quote where it says you have to be Maou-class in strength to be a Maou? And how it affects you doing the job?

[B214]

Well if strength was all then there wouldn't need to be any politics. Not saying that strength isn't important but if the person holding the position was powerful but can only think of war/killing people, the devils would still rebel against him/her in the end. So intellect is important to for a maou as well.

[Ka-el]

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

So are you saying that Grayfia would have been as good or better at foreign affairs than Serafall? Her personality doesn't really seem suited to it.

How does being Maou-class in strength affect your ability to do the job? Does Issei being Maou-class or above make him good when it comes to coming up with tactics and strategies as the Asmodeus position would entail?

When was it ever said that Serafall was chosen for the position of Leviathan just because she was the strongest female devil?

Again while their power might have had a factor in them becoming Maou, you can't say it was the main reason. They were basically war heroes.

Can you give me a quote where it says you have to be Maou-class in strength to be a Maou? And how it affects you doing the job?

In the wikia it stated this: Grayfia once challenged Serafall Sitri for the title of Leviathan. So Serafall got the position because of her strenght, not because of her competence.

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by Ka-el

In the wikia it stated this: Grayfia once challenged Serafall Sitri for the title of Leviathan. So Serafall got the position because of her strenght, not because of her competence.

I just said that statement was wrong. As the statement said was that Grayfia challenged Serafall for the position of STRONGEST FEMALE DEVIL not the position of Leviathan.

Correlation doesn't equate to causation.

[vietthai96]

And...................what the point of this discussion, or rather an agurment again

[kiiro94]

Power is essential for being a Satan. Before the underworld was ruled by power, reason of the civil war since the old faction wanted to still go to war.

Now, with the new 4 Satans, they have the power but also care about political things that helps their race to survive and not die.

[B214]

Being powerful in combat is important to a maou but isn't essential. You can be the strongest of the Devils but if all you can think is how to fight war and destroy other factions, people wouldn't choose you as Maou anyway. The truly essential trait is to be able to guide the Devil into a proper future, having power comes after that. No point getting the strongest as Maou if they will cause the species to go extinct in a decade.

[Blazor 98]

So even after all this time, Issei still can't beat Vali. CxC Maou class? No, Vali's EJOD is God class. True DxD? No, Issei would die of he use it while Vali can use DxD L. P DxD? No, Ddraig flat out states that DxD L is overall stronger. AxA? No, Vali is too fast and would simply wait out the time limit on Issei.