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Let's pray Mikoto doesn't turns out to be the victim that time. |
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2014-04-01, 22:02 | Link #6625 |
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I agree completely. It's now two arcs in a row (in the manga) that Mikoto needs rescuing at the end... She is supposed to be the heroine here
Next arc is bound to be after Daihasesai, and if it's immediately after at least we know Touma can't be there to help. There is something I want to see before next arc though, a certain closing bonfire dance. Especifically, what leads to it. |
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2014-04-02, 03:32 | Link #6627 | |
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Butthurt much? If you're going to quote someone you shouldn't modify it to better fit your point, it's called using a strawman.
The unmodified post aludes to a fact, if you can't take it then suck it. Don't go incorrectly calling on "googles" due to a lack of a proper counterargument. Quote:
Mikoto on the other hand is constructed quite differently, in the Railgun manga, and would fit better an idealistic hero. Now, if you require me to spell out the point, here it goes. It's my opinion that when a hero requires too much help he ends up looking weak, which is kinda lame for the story overall. Don't get me wrong, I find acceptable how it's been done so far, but if it keeps up with Mikoto being unable to participate in the actions that settle the conflicts (which btw, are centered on her) then she'll resemble more a failure of a hero which I really don't think fits well in this manga. Not that I think Kamachi will make that mistake, but that's besides the point. |
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2014-04-02, 03:44 | Link #6628 |
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Personally, I predict this to be the last time she will be in such a position. The Sisters arc HAD to play out the way it did due to the light novels but this time around this situation was quite phenomenal; dealing with Level 6 shifts and the destruction of the city and whatnot. Considering the exceptional circumstances of this volume (ie the chapters that will be bound into volume 10) I think the damsel in distress card has been played for the last time for Mikoto. There just isn't any situation that would top this and still concern Mikoto as a damsel without being repetitive. The amount of spectacle in this volume alone made up for Mikoto being a damsel in distress again. It just doesn't make any sense for this to happen one more time.
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2014-04-02, 05:00 | Link #6630 |
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A hero (masculine) or heroine (feminine) refers to characters who, in the face of danger and adversity or from a position of weakness, display courage and the will for self-sacrifice—that is, heroism—for some greater good of all humanity. This definition originally referred to martial courage or excellence but extended to more general moral excellence.
Stories of heroism may serve as moral examples. In classical antiquity, cults that venerated deified heroes such as Heracles, Perseus, and Achilles played an important role in Ancient Greek religion. Politicians, ancient and modern, have employed hero worship for their own apotheosis (i.e., cult of personality). Stories of the anti-hero also play a major role in Greek mythology and much of literature. The anti-hero is a protagonist whose qualities are the last expected from a person in certain situations; an anti-hero often lacks the typical characteristics of heroism, such as honor, nobility, bravery, compassion, and fortitude. The favorite type of anti-hero is a characterless individual. Snow white is not a Disney only story, they had influences and had some adaptions to make their story. Base your arguments about facts not bias. Sometimes the Hero is in a dire situation and needs bailing; that's where their comrades come into play. A hero stands up for justice but nothing can be accomplished by ones self. Hasn't that been what Touma does? He stands up for people in need when they can't themselves, did he always do it alone? No most often than not he had his comrades.
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2014-04-02, 06:46 | Link #6631 | |
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When talking about the victim, you could say the main victim, as in the central "victim" of the conflict. Quote:
Perhaps I should be talking about her being the main hero, as opposed to just a hero, not that the issue is about this. Being helped is not the problem, but as I said, being helped too much (or too often if you may) is. Also, in the last 2 arc she has not simply been helped, but also rescued. This is subjective but what I'm saying is that I currently see her being at the borderline. Clarifying better, even failing a lot doesn't mean she's not a hero, but it does mean she is a failure hero. Quote:
Isn't it often the case anyways? (Even in Snow White rescuing the princess is rescuing the Kingdom) I'm talking archetype here, though the fact that she is the MC is relevant too since she is at the center of the story. Heroes being victims in their own stories are rare events. Hope we are clear now then. |
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2014-04-02, 12:54 | Link #6639 | |
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You're right though, it's totally my fault for trying to read in-between the lines. Spoiler for My longest post in years:
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2014-04-02, 14:24 | Link #6640 | |
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What I'm saying is that Mikoto was the one mostly affected by the villain's plot (while having to play the victim role), the other "victims" (if we call them that instead of casualties) were either instruments or road kills. (In the Sister's arc, it's especially heartless to call them road kills, but that's what they were) Spoiler for oh boy, this is getting too long:
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