Gundam Seed/Seed Destiny General Discussion Thread

[Skye629]

Better yet have Shinn be the star of the show in compensation for the series

Kira and Athrun had their nice share of the spotlight already

So a plot with Shinn as the main protagonist/pilot in a new suit or upgraded mech in whatever the next war scenario is

Then when hes in the typical protagonist pinch have Kira and Athrun show up in whatever new mechs for fanservice and relieve his ass so he can go in to fight final boss/get job done and be the hero

There we go, everything in one package, while not overloading on characters (there is no way imo they can pull off focusing on all 3 pilots well based on how well DESTINY was handled)

And of course we get new models (what I care about most, with mecha action sequences coming in second)


OR

As someone mentioned on GG once we could have a Trailblazer esque movie, but this time they're being invaded by space whales

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by Skye629

As someone mentioned on GG once we could have a Trailblazer esque movie, but this time they're being invaded by space whales

In Astray, people who settled on Mars attacked Earth..... Instead of 00 movie style of aliens invading, the Seed movie would be going for an AGE-based plotline.....

Even if this AGE-based plotline is the quality of Destiny, it would still be better than AGE's storyline......

[The American Average]

Originally Posted by Skye629

As someone mentioned on GG once we could have a Trailblazer esque movie, but this time they're being invaded by space whales

Space Whales now that would be the coolest villain evar and about time that the Cosmic Era started explaining that darn whales with wings

Originally Posted by quagmire

That may be the greatest thing about the Impulse. Just need to design a new chest and leg flyer along with its silhouettes that can combine with the core splendor. While the original Impulse components may be outdated, new components can be designed to make a new Gundam, but using the original Impulse core splendor. Sort of the concept ZAFT was originally going for with the Chaos, Abyss, and Gaia silhouettes.....

Well i'm surprised that Zaft didn't just mass produce the Impulse it was a great idea. cause look how affective the Victory gundam was in Victory.

[Rising Dragon]

There were, at the very least, four Impulse Gundams built.

[S.Freedom]

Four units does not a mass production make R_D.

Seriously though. When you think about it, the Impulse is something of a resource hog. Think about how much money it would take to build 200 Impulses. Than there's retrofitting ships to use the recharge equipment. Much less being able to use the ability to switch packs mid battle. Than there's effectiveness of the pilots who would pilot these units.

I mean sure Shin was incredible with the Impulse. But would your average run of the mill shmuck ZAFT pilot be anywhere near as effective as Shin?

[The American Average]

I only remember Shinns Impulse. I know there were many parts but as terms of number of suits there was 1 or 2 if you count Luna's a separate suit

@SFreedom well it worked well in Victory Gundam all the pilots were not at all that great many were just grunts, not only that they worked well with many different ships. now i'd bet not all ships would be outfitted with all blast and sword Silhouettes just the Force to make it easier

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by S.Freedom

Four units does not a mass production make R_D.

I'm well aware, but where there's 2 to 4, there may yet be others. Likely limited mass production, since it's not a one-off machine.

Originally Posted by The American Average

I only remember Shinns Impulse. I know there were many parts but as terms of number of suits there was 1 or 2 if you count Luna's a separate suit

In the animated season, you only ever see Shinn and Lunamaria's Impulse Gundam, but supplementary materials showed that several were produced, and three of them other than Lunamaria's sortied in the final battle, and those three were each equipped with a Destiny Silhouette Pack.

[The American Average]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pv2hRrQKGM episode 5 of Destiny HD

[Destined_Fate]

Was nice to see Lunamaria go looking around for Shinn after his outburst with Athrun/Cagalli. Shame they didn't actually show her finding him but instead they just jumped straight to them preparing to launch out after Lunamaria accidently bumped into Athrun while leaving the elevator.

Would have made it far easier for fans to have accepted Shinn x Lunamaria if they had just pulled through with these little things sooner rather than just half-assing it.

[Aquaman OS]

Again they can only do so much when they can't make any new dialogue.

[S.Freedom]

Well, the sun seems to look better this time around...

@Destined_Fate Having Luna look for Sinn this time is better than nothing. Hopefully this improves her character somewhat.

[Destined_Fate]

It at the very least shows that she's very caring towards Shinn's own plight/inner demons as well as understanding where he's coming through. Such as her reaction when she heard him mention his dead family. Which I'm sure she already knows anyway as Shinn is her best friend but that wouldn't change that hearing Shinn being emotional over it would still sting.

After all, what do you say when someone(especially if they're your best friend?) is fighting back tears and talking about what they lost? Lunamaria wasn't there and she doesn't know everything so she can't exactly say either side is at fault over what happened or that Shinn being sad/angry for the loss of his family is wrong. That and Lunamaria, as far as we know, has never experienced such pain before and at the very least she still has her sister.

From Shinn's POV he's right since the common ORB citizen didn't know the backroom talks that occurred and that ORB's decision was the only one they could have made. While Cagalli is obviously going to back her father as she knows everything that really happened. Though at the very least, hearing of Shinn's family at least reminded her of how much suffering happened because of things outside their control.

Since in the end will in the end it make her stronger as a leader, after all, to accept the good and the bad while learning from both so the same mistakes don't happen the again as well as differing POV's for situations to consider.

[Admiral Larsen]

Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

It at the very least shows that she's very caring towards Shinn's own plight/inner demons as well as understanding where he's coming through. Such as her reaction when she heard him mention his dead family. Which I'm sure she already knows anyway as Shinn is her best friend but that wouldn't change that hearing Shinn being emotional over it would still sting.

After all, what do you say when someone(especially if they're your best friend?) is fighting back tears and talking about what they lost? Lunamaria wasn't there and she doesn't know everything so she can't exactly say either side is at fault over what happened or that Shinn being sad/angry for the loss of his family is wrong. That and Lunamaria, as far as we know, has never experienced such pain before and at the very least she still has her sister.

From Shinn's POV he's right since the common ORB citizen didn't know the backroom talks that occurred and that ORB's decision was the only one they could have made. While Cagalli is obviously going to back her father as she knows everything that really happened. Though at the very least, hearing of Shinn's family at least reminded her of how much suffering happened because of things outside their control.

Since in the end will in the end it make her stronger as a leader, after all, to accept the good and the bad while learning from both so the same mistakes don't happen the again as well as differing POV's for situations.

Shin is right in this case and Cagalli is going to have to learn that her father still had made some decisions that cost people their lives.

And considering what she goes through later, I wonder if Cagalli will learn.

[monster]

Originally Posted by kaito-kid

Don't you think the S-Freedom, I-Justice and Destiny would be decommissioned after the second bloody valentine war? It's one thing to build a MS with NJC in secret for personal use as a covert organization, but maintaining 3 mobile suits with NJC technology as the chairwoman of ZAFT should be imposible. Lacus wil have to honor the treaty of junius seven after all, just because her predecessors more or less ignored it doesn't mean she can do the same.

Well, I did say this:

Originally Posted by monster

But if they banned nuclear weapons again at the end of Destiny, then Kira won't be using the Strike Freedom and there won't be a need for the Eternal, although it could still be used by Lacus.

The post that you quoted was talking about if nuclear weapons are allowed post Destiny.

Originally Posted by Aquaman OS

Junius Seven treaty's out the window. Whatever they came up with afterwards is not the same, since in practice the treaty did nothing. They didn't just return to status quo with Lacus in charge. It's a whole new world. And they'd likely keep them all in service for the next major crisis that they are no doubt expecting (since Kira and Lacus knew that by taking out Durandal they'd be opening up to the door for more conflict. They were prepared to fight that. Kira said so himself.)

Maybe, but we don't have any details on the new treaty. Some restrictions like the nuclear weapons ban might be revived.

Besides they already used SF and IJ to escort Lacus to Plant to be sworn in as shown in the Final Plus. She's keeping them.

It took about 5-6 months after the war in SEED for the Junius Treaty to be signed. It's possible that scene in Final Plus was taken before any treaty is finalized after the second war.

[The American Average]

1 thing that kinda bothered me with Shinn totally verbally bashing Cagalli is how she just took it. i'd think she get real mad and try to hit him or something (there were a couple of scenes in Seed where she hit someone out of anger and such) i'm still confused on how cagalli took so personally, its like shinn is literally the First person to call her and her father out on their ideals.

[Admiral Larsen]

Originally Posted by The American Average

1 thing that kinda bothered me with Shinn totally verbally bashing Cagalli is how she just took it. i'd think she get real mad and try to hit him or something (there were a couple of scenes in Seed where she hit someone out of anger and such) i'm still confused on how cagalli took so personally, its like shinn is literally the First person to call her and her father out on their ideals.

She is a politician right now and has to learn to keep her cool. The fact that she reacted like that is still a problem of her in my view. And considering how politicians and leaders tend to isolate themselves with yes men instead of people willing to call them out if they do wrong and such.

[Cherudim Arche]

Originally Posted by The American Average

1 thing that kinda bothered me with Shinn totally verbally bashing Cagalli is how she just took it. i'd think she get real mad and try to hit him or something (there were a couple of scenes in Seed where she hit someone out of anger and such) i'm still confused on how cagalli took so personally, its like shinn is literally the First person to call her and her father out on their ideals.

It's because he associates Cagalli with Uzumi from the invasion of orb. That the ideals are just ideals.

The issue with Shinn is that seeing such opaque glasses that even if they could do something about it. Shinn would still repeat the mistake he is doing now. I wouldn't regret it until he gets punished terribly to make him realize.

[Destined_Fate]

Punching the Minerva's Ace wouldn't be a smart idea, especially when she knows that he's going to be needed for the upcoming operation. That and she can't really say he has no right to blame ORB for what happened as he did lose his family due to what ORB had to do. Whether ORB's decision was right or wrong doesn't change that the decision they made was a factor that resulted in the loss of his family.

She did seem impulsive though it's nice she did learn from her Father in that she needs to learn to keep her cool no matter what. Having Athrun around to tell her when she's overstepping herself is extremely helpful but she ended up being too dependent on him that when he left her to fight with ZAFT she was all alone and surrounded by only those that wanted to exploit her youth and inexperience for their benefit.

Hell, Cagalli refused to even go to Kira for support when Athrun left and she was being overwhelmed.

Had she heard Kira's speech MUCH earlier she wouldn't have agreed to the marriage at all.

[Admiral Larsen]

I wonder why Cagalli accepted the job even though she has got to know that she doesn't have the temperament to be a politician.

[The American Average]

I don't shinn was an Ace yet but still punching on of the pilots about to stop a big comet coming down to destroy the earth that she lives on may not be the best idea. it me it seemed more Cagalli to punch him or something similar. I do agree that she needed athrun way too much during this scene if he wasn't there... man

@admiral Larsen I so agree with you more importantly why did orb even send Cagalli the Super Inexperienced Politician into this lions den of really experienced people such as Gilbert.