2008-04-19, 02:42 | Link #661 |
Observer/Bookman wannabe
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Singapore
Age: 39
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GSD had plenty of holes.
Anyway, after looking through the seiyu list, I was convinced that GSD was nothing more than a frat party for the seiyu involved. I feel that Seed was pretty ok. Not spectacular, but definitely not mediocre. |
2008-04-19, 08:26 | Link #662 |
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Join Date: Dec 2007
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Too many reused plots.
Gundams just got stolen? That's never happened before. The main character just disobeyed orders and returned a female back to the enemy! What Innovative ideas they can come up with Orb is being attacked? Wow that's original OMG it "Neo" Genesis! Never seen anything like that before. |
2008-04-20, 04:18 | Link #664 |
Style Über Alles
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: NYC/Chicago
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it didn't fail. provided lots of lulz moments, which is its aspiration anyway. the so called plot and content are just pretensions, the real business lies in the gundamu and the chicks
seems like most of the people who say gsd failed are taking gundamu entirely too seriously. |
2008-04-21, 00:55 | Link #665 |
I Want GN Flag II
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: A-LAWLS Base (orly?)
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Too much beam spamming and repeated scenes like in redwing's avatar :P. GSD just didnt work, after ep10, where it started going downhill. You could tell which eps were properly planned and which werent-after EP10 I think they started to rush.....
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2008-04-22, 02:50 | Link #668 |
Tsubasa No Kami
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I'd pretty much say GSD was a failure because of a badly written story. Characters were plentiful, but during episode 13 up, the characters now only serve as "stand in characters", with no purpose at all, except just to....appear in the show. Also, the Gundams. I never realized it was very easy to create Gundams like that! And EVERYBODY can have a Gundam too. The grunts are cannon fodder, even Gundams can be cannon fodder. seriously, where's the ace and Gundam in this show? Gundams were feared because of the pilots who also pilot them, as well as carrying the trademark, Gundam (which was now disproven in Gundam 00 lol ). The SEs made it even worse...it's not that Fukuda doesn't want to make Shinn or Kira an enemy in the fans' POV, he was just scared to let that happen, and so opted for Athrun instead. If he was really serious that "Kira is off the path of justice" in one of his unreal interviews, then he would go on and do some SEs that makes Kira like that, but sadly no. Cagalli and Athrun were destroyed as characters. Reused animations. Also loved how Fukuda retconned and made the Druggie Gundam responsible for Shinn's family's death, lol. Dullindal suddenly became the "evil, obligatory" villain. Rampant fanservice....errm, the Archangel bath scene looks and feels so much like Tenchi Muyo...I don't mind seeing spaceship baths in Tenchi Muyo, but it disturbs me in GSD for some reason.
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2008-04-22, 06:17 | Link #670 |
Tsubasa No Kami
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Yes, it was, in one of his nonsensical interviews. that being said, we all do know very well that we should not believe Fukuda in any way. Also, the TSA fight in the ending reminded mne too much of a Final Fantasy summoning sequence...in a very bad way...
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2008-04-22, 20:31 | Link #675 |
Bluefin Distribution
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Join Date: Nov 2006
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Why are we grave digging?
In any case I want to point out for people using the DVDs/CDs as an indicator of success , that, yes, this was the chief profit contributer. However Gundam shows need to have really high GunPla/toy sales. A lot of R&D goes into transfering a design into a working model kit that spans several grades and toys and they expect that investment to be returned several times over. This didn't happen as planned. Only certain mecha designs were able to accomplish this resulting in an over estimated demand. Also, it was mentioned by Foxpaws a while ago that the lack of inexpensive later designs such as the Legend, Justice, and Akatsuki in the small FG 1/144 format contributed highly to the gunpla weakness. The fans wanted Gundams, not ZAKUS or GOUFs or DOMs or other things. Of course the old UC designs were put in there because they were supposed to be a throw back for older fans to encourage them to invest in buying the other Destiny designs. Didn't happen. The older fans for the most part didn't bite. Destiny revealed two things: Older male fans are not likely to be attracted to a new Gundam even if there are Universal Century references and young female fans don't have the same merchandise tastes as male fans. And finally, it's very hard to get newer Gundam fans to check out older Gundam series. |
2008-04-22, 23:48 | Link #677 |
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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Ok gonna jump in here.
I rewatched the series in its entirety. For me, the series started losing credibility was when they revealed that EA could erase memories. I felt this cheated Sting, Auel, and Stellar out of better character development. Let's take for example when Auel flips out, says Stellar's block word, and she runs off. When Phantom Pain finds out what has happened, we COULD have had Sting and Auel go after her out of concern for a teammate since it was shown that they at least have SOME form of comraderie. But what do we get instead? NOPE! Memory wipe, Sting and Auel just fight for kicks. Lame. They COULD have gone with the whole "getting back our teammate" angle, and that MAY have made the trio more likeable and viewers could relate to them. Nah, the writers/director decided they weren't worth keeping since Yamato and co. were still around. Another example: Auel dies, Sting memory wiped. We could have had Sting go get some revenge for the missing Stellar and dead Auel, but now he doesn't even know who the hell they are. Yippee. So the whole memory wipe thing was a convenient way of 1) copping out of new character development because of Kira and friends, 2) a convenient way of making Neo into Mwu. They could have gone with so many different paths at the start of the whole memory pod thing. I think the memory pods was the start of GSD's nonsense. It just snowballed into oblivion afterward. |
2008-04-23, 00:02 | Link #678 |
Tsubasa No Kami
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Oh wow I can't believe I've forgotten about Neo "just because there isn't an interesting adult about so we resurrected Andrew Waltfeld" Lorrnoke.
Also, that facility in Lodonia didn't actually make enough sense just to point out that EA are the sadist and most miserable villains the CE universe has ever known. I can't recall if Rey had an awful experience in there (as he lost it when he saw all the children in the EA labs - see, this is another loophole ). The Lodonia labs were only presented in a couple of episodes and served as the obligatory backdrop for the reconditioned children - Extendeds - who we now know as Sting, Auel and Stellar. Other than that, it served no other purpose (unless it was tackled in the Astray manga). This also goes the same for Stellar - was her memory wiped when Auel died?
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2008-04-24, 00:00 | Link #679 | |
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Probably since her memory of Shinn was supposedly wiped as well. Anyway to finish off my rant about the lame memory-wipe thing: it was so lame, it never fully did the job it was supposed to anyway (i.e. Auel "thinking" he remembered Gaia being in the hangar, Neo recalling memories of Mwu, Stellar NOT forgetting Shinn, etc.)! |
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2008-04-24, 00:08 | Link #680 |
Μ ε r c ü r υ
Join Date: Jun 2004
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Do you need anything more than an arrogant brat named Shinn?
But, excluding that I think the problem was speeding up the second part. They could have had a better storyline by slowing the things down, by not making the earth forces to suddenly become the forces to be easily trashed, and by not making Durandal only a half-way demon. For me, I felt the ending as being faster-paced and having a lower-intensity compared to the original, and that was not a good thing. |
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