High School DxD Light Novel - Character power-ups, match-ups, and ratings

[godz]

Originally Posted by Emperor of D.

I don't know. Crom doesn't seem to have problems dealing with those with hax. His fight against Vali and Ddraig is proof of that. Remember that Crom's ability to adapt is formidable.

that's why I consider Hades to win in a battle of attrition, dodging and damaging crom cruach's body more than he can damage him back ... hades would take advantage of his distance advantage over a melee type like crom, the serious thing different if facing melee ... there victory is indisputable in crom cruach.

In conclusion, I am inclined to hades but if crom cruach in a hypothetical case quickly manages to turn this battle into a close combat ... the victory of crom cruach is unquestionable

[saucerKing]

wasnt crom technically getting affected by fake dahaka spells? it didnt do much but they were certainly doing something, i imagine that hades who seems to be a mage-type who is massively more powerful than fake dahaka should be able to do some serious damage whit spells and curses

[Itsmepatrick]

Well Imo Crom is always having some difficulty facing some opponents who have troublesome abilities like Vali with his Wyverns who have the ability to use Half Dimension , Compression Divider and Satan Compression Divider as he kind of resembles Issei in wanting to always charge ahead to his opponent.

[Giuseppe1234]

…I indeed reached True Dragon Deification. However, becoming a Special-class being and being acknowledged as a Transcendental being didn’t feel real.
By the way, even if I don’t use Pseudo Dragon Deification like before, there’s no more severe recoil. It’s just that after the battle my stamina was completely exhausted and I was suffering from muscular pain to the point I thought I would die, but there were no negative side-effects directly leading to death.

Now the consumption of the true dragon deification is similar to the previous pseudo dragon deification, except that the muscles are very tired after the battle, but the shadow of death has disappeared.

The first declaration is the novel translated, the second is the spoiler. So at the end issei has not more stamina and feel an extreme muscular pain. However the question is if he can use it for 88 minutes as P DxD or for a long time as Vali, because the spoiler said it.

However issei even with T DxD still to receive troubles

Originally Posted by saucerKing

wasnt crom technically getting affected by fake dahaka spells? it didnt do much but they were certainly doing something, i imagine that hades who seems to be a mage-type who is massively more powerful than fake dahaka should be able to do some serious damage whit spells and curses

But Hades is not mentioned to use curses and forbidden magic, furthermore Crom could not fight at max power with flames or aura attacks to not destroy London, without count that he did not want to deflect the hits with punches, when may do easily it, as seen with Ddraig even with a broken arm. However the attacks of fake azi could not influence Crom.

[saucerKing]

Originally Posted by Giuseppe1234

The first declaration is the novel translated, the second is the spoiler. So at the end issei has not more stamina and feel an extreme muscular pain. However the question is if he can use it for 88 minutes as P DxD or for a long time as Vali, because the spoiler said it.

However issei even with T DxD still to receive troubles



But Hades is not mentioned to use curses and forbidden magic, furthermore Crom could not fight at max power with flames or aura attacks to not destroy London, without count that he did not want to deflect the hits with punches, when may do easily it, as seen with Ddraig even with a broken arm. However the attacks of fake azi could not influence Crom.

hades didnt get enough actual powers shown at all, just like 99% of the "mages" in the story he just used aura blasts and the such but he could restrain fenrir whit magic and being as old as he is he should definitely have the knowledge of many magics too. he should be able to limit crom movements and blast him whit magic over and over until he defeats him trough sheer attrition

[Giuseppe1234]

Originally Posted by saucerKing

hades didnt get enough actual powers shown at all, just like 99% of the "mages" in the story he just used aura blasts and the such but he could restrain fenrir whit magic and being as old as he is he should definitely have the knowledge of many magics too. he should be able to limit crom movements and blast him whit magic over and over until he defeats him trough sheer attrition

for now he has only normal magic with an incredible level of power, the only other thing showed is the capacity to seal with magic. All the other is only a “may” that is not valid for a matchup. If the limitation was so efficacious, He would have done the same with Vali.
However Crom can deflect the magic attacks or counter them with fire and aura. He is not only able to move punches. Furthermore in resistance and tolerance Crom wins

[saucerKing]

Originally Posted by Giuseppe1234

for now he has only normal magic with an incredible level of power, the only other thing showed is the capacity to seal with magic. All the other is only a “may” that is not valid for a matchup. If the limitation was so efficacious, He would have done the same with Vali.
However Crom can deflect the magic attacks or counter them with fire and aura. He is not only able to move punches. Furthermore in resistance and tolerance Crom wins

i cant think of two reasons why he didnt try to restrain vali 1. he can use divide and halve the spell over and over until he is free 2. villains are not allowed to be too smart, same reason why hades didn't bring some samael poisoned knife or something. if villains were smart the story would of been over much earlier by them attacking issei on his sleep instead of challenging him face to face

crom is very durable but even he has his limits, if hades keeps chipping away him little by little he will fall eventually. which he should be able to whit the aforementioned sealing spell, teleportation and keeping his distance

[Giuseppe1234]

Originally Posted by saucerKing

i cant think of two reasons why he didnt try to restrain vali 1. he can use divide and halve the spell over and over until he is free 2. villains are not allowed to be too smart, same reason why hades didn't bring some samael poisoned knife or something. if villains were smart the story would of been over much earlier by them attacking issei on his sleep instead of challenging him face to face

crom is very durable but even he has his limits, if hades keeps chipping away him little by little he will fall eventually. which he should be able to whit the aforementioned sealing spell, teleportation and keeping his distance

Crom could keep the step with Vali DxD L that is faster than Hades, known to be a specialist at middle-long range that prefer to keep the distance, but Crom not allowed it. Even if Vali used the wyverns with half dimension, when Crom has been able to destroy them, While Hades no receiving the smasher.

You act like Crom can not fight from the distance trough aura and flames, furthermore the sealing spell is not a reason if it has not worked about Vali, working to someone weaker than him. The teleport may be useful to attack towards the blind spots, but Crom for the instinct would be useless. Counting that he used it only to avoid one time Fenrir, not even the attacks of Vali or to taking him of surprise of avoid the smasher, so there are big limits.
Furthermore Crom can always deflect easily the magic attacks.

[Itsmepatrick]

Hades was kind of nerfed Imo as he uses very few magic for obvious reasons .Theres not even the specialty magic of his realm of the dead or very few to be exact. Well if Samael's poison or worst Samael himself got used in this Volume for sure the DxD will lose badly as most of their strongest combatants are Dragons and guys like Ajuka will be forced to act.

[saucerKing]

Originally Posted by Giuseppe1234

Crom could keep the step with Vali DxD L that is faster than Hades, known to be a specialist at middle-long range that prefer to keep the distance, but Crom not allowed it. Even if Vali used the wyverns with half dimension, when Crom has been able to destroy them, While Hades no receiving the smasher.

You act like Crom can not fight from the distance trough aura and flames, furthermore the sealing spell is not a reason if it has not worked about Vali, working to someone weaker than him. The teleport may be useful to attack towards the blind spots, but Crom for the instinct would be useless. Counting that he used it only to avoid one time Fenrir, not even the attacks of Vali or to taking him of surprise of avoid the smasher, so there are big limits.
Furthermore Crom can always deflect easily the magic attacks.

vali also has no teleportation which is important here, hades did stay up after receiving lucifer smasher, the guy was in a fight whit vali and fenrir and stood his ground, he literally took a beating of most of DxD team and the two heavenly dragon and the guy was still standing until the final hit from vali and issei.

yes he can breath flames and fire aura but if hades can keep up whit vali and fenrir at the same time i fail to see how crom attacks can reach him before a teleportation. what big limits? there was no statement of there being big limits. i did not say that the restraining spell was going to be as effective but if it restrained fenrir for a while then it can restrain crom for a pair of seconds, in a battle of this scale a pair of seconds is a lot. crom is facing a guy who has the durability to take a beating from the whole DxD team and keep standing, enough power to take out some of them and deflect vali attacks whit a staff, who can teleport and react to vali and that can limit his movements

simply put, hades has pretty damn good compatibility whit crom and he has the power to eventually take him down

[Itsmepatrick]

Crom was powerful no doubt about that but he's struggling of will have some great difficulty against some Troublesome abilities like the multiple Wyverns Half Dimension of Vali he suffers many injuries before he got closed to Vali. His fighting style has a bit of resemblance with Issei with both wanting to always charge ahead and overwhelm their opponents with raw power and close combat.But well he can overpower most his opponents is his strength is Heavenly Dragon class and he is one of the top ten strongest beings in the world.

[Giuseppe1234]

Originally Posted by saucerKing

vali also has no teleportation which is important here, hades did stay up after receiving lucifer smasher, the guy was in a fight whit vali and fenrir and stood his ground, he literally took a beating of most of DxD team and the two heavenly dragon and the guy was still standing until the final hit from vali and issei.

yes he can breath flames and fire aura but if hades can keep up whit vali and fenrir at the same time i fail to see how crom attacks can reach him before a teleportation. what big limits? there was no statement of there being big limits. i did not say that the restraining spell was going to be as effective but if it restrained fenrir for a while then it can restrain crom for a pair of seconds, in a battle of this scale a pair of seconds is a lot. crom is facing a guy who has the durability to take a beating from the whole DxD team and keep standing, enough power to take out some of them and deflect vali attacks whit a staff, who can teleport and react to vali and that can limit his movements

simply put, hades has pretty damn good compatibility whit crom and he has the power to eventually take him down

Vali has a speed that it is impossible to see, however he was too much damaged from the smasher and would have losted. Hades was not beating most of DxD, only characters not nominated and Ddraig/Albion were not present.
Hades that has fought with a Vali nerfed for the plot?

The teleport is used only one time, but if was so useful, Hades would have used it to avoid Vali’s attacks or half dimension, this was the limit for me.
There are not even explanation how Hades could do it, while Vali’s speed and intelligence were nerfed without a reason.

[saucerKing]

Originally Posted by Giuseppe1234

Vali has a speed that it is impossible to see, however he was too much damaged from the smasher and would have losted. Hades was not beating most of DxD, only characters not nominated and Ddraig/Albion were not present.
Hades that has fought with a Vali nerfed for the plot?

The teleport is used only one time, but if was so useful, Hades would have used it to avoid Vali’s attacks or half dimension, this was the limit for me.
There are not even explanation how Hades could do it, while Vali’s speed and intelligence were nerfed without a reason.

vali speed is not impossible to see, it was impossible for crom to see but apparently hades could keep up whit him. i also did not say he was beating most of DxD, i said he could stand after getting a beating from team DxD, not anyone can survive, let alone stand on their legs, after getting beaten by a bunch of longinus users or people like strada

vali was not nerfed though? we never ever saw hades fighting and he was foreshadowed and hyped a lot to be powerful (he was in the original top 10 list) so him being able to stand his ground against vali at his best is logic, you cant gauge a guy until he does something and hades only fight shows him standing against vali, no inconsistency there. if anything hades was nerfed for the plot since he did not bring samael whit him before escaping

if im not mistaken there is an entire trope about villains never using again skills that are extremely useful, the teleportation was not stated to have big limits therefore it doesnt has any worth mentioning. vali didn't get nerfed, we did not know how fast hades was so you cant say its impossible he could keep up, vali was never portrayed as a really smart guy in combat otherwise he would've used reduce more often.

so frankly speaking, if someone got a nerf for this volume was hades, who as expected did not spam an useful skill like teleporting, did not bring the ultimate dragon slayer and did not prepare any kind of trap at all for the DxD team on the way there. one would expect hades to not cut corners in preparations for the last battle

[Itsmepatrick]

Vali's is fast but it's not like he is already omnipotent because of it. There's still Gods and Transcendental beings stronger than him and also some beings who has power comparable to him like out there like Indra, Ajuka,Nezha and many guys sealed in the Isolation Barrier Field.
Hades is the one who was nerfed imo because of plot not Vali otherwise Hades just have to bring large quantities of Samael Poison and it will already put DxD into a disadvantage as the strongest in DxD team are Dragons/Dragon related such as Issei, Vali, Crom, Ddraig and Albion. Hades also hasn't shown ability/abilities related to Hell and Realm of the dead .

[bashkim1234]

You guys should not exaggerate Vali´s current power level. It was clear, that Hades was nerfed.

[Itsmepatrick]

Vali's current overall strength in his Diabolos Dragon Lucifer should be around the level of Albion strength in his peak my opinion.

If Hades slightly unsealed Samael like the one Cao Cao did in Volume 11(since he already knew he was bound to lose he might as well use it) or uses Samael's poison on the Dragons on the side of DxD team ,It will cripple their overall fighting strength.
They will still win but at the cost of some heavy loses but a pity Ishi decided to nerfed Hades and doesn't want pit Samael against the DxD team as its too powerful against Dragons and it will be very troublesome to defeat .

[godz]

Maybe ichie nerfed to hades to later give him a power up when he returns as a kind of cyborg skeleton so that baalberith and verrine awaken their ability, and defeat him.

[saucerKing]

Originally Posted by Itsmepatrick

Vali's current overall strength in his Diabolos Dragon Lucifer should be around the level of Albion strength in his peak my opinion.

If Hades slightly unsealed Samael like the one Cao Cao did in Volume 11(since he already knew he was bound to lose he might as well use it) or uses Samael's poison on the Dragons on the side of DxD team ,It will cripple their overall fighting strength.
They will still win but at the cost of some heavy loses but a pity Ishi decided to nerfed Hades and doesn't want pit Samael against the DxD team as its too powerful against Dragons and it will be very troublesome to defeat .

not only the dragons, samael poison was freaking crazy and can probably kill 99% of the people present. remember what happened when kiba tried to slash samael? and remember that samel blitzed scale mail vali whit one arm. samael being there would of been a huge game changer for everyone, worse if he could spread his poison without physical contact

Originally Posted by godz

Maybe ichie nerfed to hades to later give him a power up when he returns as a kind of cyborg skeleton so that baalberith and verrine awaken their ability, and defeat him.

only if he returns whit a blue muscular body and a skull head, and he must say MYAAH

[Itsmepatrick]

Originally Posted by godz

Maybe ichie nerfed to hades to later give him a power up when he returns as a kind of cyborg skeleton so that baalberith and verrine awaken their ability, and defeat him.

The most possible outcome for Hades I think is that the Evies will forcefully do some experiments on him as he doesn't want to join them while Angra Mainyu will voluntarily join Melvazoa's side and passed his technique to create Evil Dragons. Or there's also the possibility of both of them joining Melvazoa's side since they both want to eliminate the Three Factions,Chief God of each mythology,DxD team specially the Longinus Users and also Ajuka Beelzebub but well see.

[saucerKing]

i doubt they will join the evies, they wanted to oposse DxD because they saw them as dangers for the world balance and wanted to protect the world themselves. joining the evies is the last thing that will achieve that