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As far as Lelouch knew, his Geass could not be reversed. Euphie would have continued trying to kill people, and in moments of calrity like the one before her death - if those would have existed under normal circumstances at all -, she would have known something was wrong with her. Euphie's life was already ruined, and giving her to his enemies would have made them aware of the existence of Geass. Lelouch knew it was purely his fault, which is why he killed her with his own hands, crying while doing so. Quote:
And anway, what should he take his mask off for? Don't get that part, except if it's the age-old "he should have taken responsibility" argument again. An argument that ignores that Lelouch's way of honouring the deaths he causes is giving them meaning. He spills "yet more blood so that the blood already spilled was not in vain". Oh, and I believe Clovis didn't really "need" anything. He'd been an ass, yes, but really, if Lelouch had known him better and not been so determined to kill him, I think he would probably have used him rather than his death, as Clovis might very well have been ready to help him.
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2010-03-07, 16:11 | Link #7162 | |
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2010-03-07, 16:23 | Link #7163 |
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If Euphemia is sent back to the homeland she won't be killing people anymore, unless there were large numbers of Japanese in Britannian homeland...>_>
If he did really love her then he would've found a way to save her. Why did she have to be punished for HIS mistake, which came from a sick joke to begin with? I suppose you can only justify that with the same twisted logic behind shedding more blood to give meaning....
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2010-03-07, 16:36 | Link #7164 | ||
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2010-03-07, 18:14 | Link #7166 | |
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And what would there to be stopping her from requesting to be brought back to Japan, given that she was royalty? Lelouch was stuck with a Morton's Fork. |
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2010-03-07, 18:47 | Link #7167 | |
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2010-03-07, 23:45 | Link #7168 | |
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Not to mention that Lelouch could've used her against Cornelia as a hostage..
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2010-03-07, 23:52 | Link #7169 |
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"Could have" is the key phrase there. The thing is, why would Charles do that? The man simply does not care about the mundane things in life anymore, and the Ragnarok Junction he was so bent on meant that it didn't matter if Euphy was dead or alive.
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2010-03-07, 23:55 | Link #7170 | |
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In any case, why would Charles erase her memory? His fixing her would raise questions as to how he coud do so, as well as the fact that he seemed pretty amused by the whole thing. |
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2010-03-07, 23:58 | Link #7171 |
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Charles' Geass could have easily repress Lelouch's set Geass command. We saw it in action with Shirley. What I've come to understand concerning the Geass placed on Shirley by the Emperor is that it overwrote EVERYTHING involving the Black Knights and Lelouch's identity as Zero. As such, it would repress Lelouch's own Geass command to forget about him. So in a roundabout way, her old memories of him were back. Just not the memories of her learning about his identity as Zero and his involvement with her as Zero. That's why she was back to calling him Lulu in R2, and why she was so familiar with him again.
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2010-03-08, 00:14 | Link #7172 | |
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As well, Lelouch removed her memories of him, but we aren't told if Charles' Geass broke Lelouch's or just went along with it by making Shirley only vaguely remember Lelouch before the Mao incident. |
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2010-03-08, 00:17 | Link #7173 | |
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You're giving Charles too much credit here. |
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2010-03-08, 00:30 | Link #7174 | |
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Charles' Geass manipulation did not technically override Lelouch's. Lelouch's command, near as can be figured, was a one-time, past-tense command. I imagine the phrasing would have gone "Forget all your memories of me," or something to that extent. Shirley's memories from that point back would have been erased. The Emperor then would have modified her existing memories to remove all traces of Nunnally. That she calls him Lulu could simply be a indoctrination process, since her friends kept telling her that she called him such and the name would stick. She doesn't necessarily have her old memories back, as she herself indicates that she fell in love twice under different circumstances.
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Furthermore, even restraining her under the circumstances would be difficult. She'd be out of control, and Suzaku would be bearing down on them soon anyway. You'd just have a living, psycho Euphie who'd order Suzaku shot on the spot (and whoever was present would do so) and keep killing, or the same in Lelouch's company trying to attack everyone in sight. Arguably it'd just drive Cornelia bonkers and you'd get the same result. Death was the best thing at the time.
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2010-03-08, 03:38 | Link #7175 |
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Wait... how the hell was Lelouch supposed to know Charles had a Geass, and one that could change someone's memories at that?
You might as well argue Jeremiah could have cancelled the command later on, which at least would have worked for sure.
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2010-03-08, 15:02 | Link #7176 |
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Euphy's death had little effect in the plot, and things would progress much like they did in the show had she not died. Suzaku would still learn about Geass from V.V, and he'd confront Lelouch in Kamine island. Once he brings Lelouch to Charles and learns of his geass he could also ask him to help Euphy.
Now, let's not kid ourselves that we know anything about geass and how it actually works, or rather what other user's limitations are. The fact of the matter is that geass is just a gimmick and the writers used it liberally with little consideration for coherence. Charles could simply replace her memory of Lelouch ordering her to kill all the Japanese with a fake memory of him telling her to call her numbers for example... Tell me how that could not work?
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2010-03-08, 15:32 | Link #7177 |
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Whether she lived or die didn't really affect the plot of R1 that much, besides Cornelia locking herself in Euphy's room and Suzaku swithing on kill-mode. It however was essential in R2, from Nunnaly trying to carry out her vision to Suzaku rejecting Ragnarok to Lelouch's ZR.
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2010-03-08, 18:48 | Link #7178 | |
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However, I would think that if she didn't die, Charles would have been able to initiate his Ragnarok plan, R2 would never have taken place.
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