2013-03-16, 08:03 | Link #701 | |
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Mioka illustrates this idea perfectly: we start out thinking they play karuta to improve their quiz show skills (which in turn they play in order to hone their academic skills), but it turns out they too do the quiz show for the sake of karuta. They too love karuta. So, while Arata's honesty and refusal-to-run-away is honorable and admirable, I think Shinobu rather expressed the author's own opinion, when she tells Arata to stop being so "cool" and to bow his head already and pretend submission and humility in order to be able to play the next day. Arata's real responsibility is to karuta. That justifies everything. Arata's deception, Suoh's bad-boy behavior--it's all for the sake of karuta. It's amusing: Taichi is trying to become Arata, a person who doesn't run away, but Arata has to learn to stop being so cool, and run away when it's for the sake of karuta.
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2013-03-16, 08:06 | Link #702 | |
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That being said I thought about this some more and I think Taichi could be over-reacting a bit about what it would do to Chihaya if she saw Arata (not that I think she should be looking to run off to find him when they have their matches to think of). I do agree with the point that both Arata and Shinobu are a sense of inspiration for Chihaya. Thinking of them as a goal can make her stronger, at the same time though when she thinks of this her mind can go off the team game (which did happen in the game you mentioned). However I think "stress" is the main reason Taichi reacted like that. Again I stand by my point that Taichi has never tried to keep Arata away from Chihaya. However Arata does mess with Taichi's psyche, so in the end I think his reaction was his own worry, that it's not Chihaya that needs to concentrate but Taichi (we even see this in what Taichi thinks about afterwards). It's not just jealousy but an inferiority complex when it comes to Arata, so ultimately that is what Taichi needs to learn to overcome.
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2013-03-16, 08:10 | Link #703 | |
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Same here in fact I'm taking it to the next level by rooting for Chihaya's opponents. I do think there is something wrong when you're rooting against the main character in a sport anime.
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2013-03-16, 08:57 | Link #704 |
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Didn't Kana just get unlucky here? For a defensive player, getting their opponent's cards read several times in a row mid-game could make for a difficult endgame etc. There wasn't any indication she was inferior to her opponent in overall ability.
That said, I'm perfectly fine with this ultimately inconsequential loss if it nets Kana a match-deciding win somewhere in the near future :3.
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2013-03-16, 12:35 | Link #706 |
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I agree Taichi is being plain jealous right now. I could give him the benefit of the doubt the first time, but Chihaya has already proven two episodes ago that Arata's presence wouldn't impact her performance negatively. Quite the opposite, in fact. She stated back then that she wants to show off in front of him and proceeded to display more concentration than ever. His presence only increases her motivation to win.
Taichi is actually the one being distracted by Arata, and he's using Chihaya as an excuse to run away from that issue.
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2013-03-16, 17:36 | Link #709 | |
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Using Taichi as an example, Taichi's battle for Chihaya's heart is such a roundabout way (karuta) that, in the end, it won't get her to be aware of his feelings, especially considering how oblivious she is. Ultimately, he will have to confess to her in a direct manner, but karuta is the means that will give him the courage to do so. |
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2013-03-16, 23:35 | Link #710 | |
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Substitution is a form of translation, but translation preserves the essential differences between languages that divide Chihaya from Taichi. To use your terms, they both need to be playing the same game for them to overcome their current impasse. At this point they are not, and I doubt there is anything Taichi can do to get her to do so.
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2013-03-16, 23:41 | Link #711 | |
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That's bound to change. They're going to step into each other "territory" at some point down the line. Arata too. At some point he will become a bit like Taichi is now, I think.
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2013-03-17, 09:10 | Link #713 | |
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We are just having a discussion. Disagreeing with each other is not the same as a flame war. And there is nothing "bad" about this thread since everyone has presented their opinion politely and maturely.
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2013-03-17, 09:28 | Link #714 |
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This "discussion" has dragged out since what season 1? I'd agree if it was discussed maybe 5 times over the course of the season but how many times has Taichi been pegged down with this particular type of discussion? Dear god it's almost overshadowing the rest of the cast. Not that there's much to discuss about since there hasn't been a breather episode as of late but wow.
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2013-03-17, 09:43 | Link #715 | |
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The discussion is also not whether Taichi is a good or bad character (although for some people it might be like that) but we do discuss Taichi because he is a complex character with many layers. Only a well written character creates discussion. Although I think all the characters are great. Edit: Also there is a major difference between people who see what Taichi did as another excuse to hate his character (maybe a couple posters) to those who dislike what he did in this episode but see it as a character flaw (a good thing in writing) which is what I saw from most posters.
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2013-03-17, 11:01 | Link #716 |
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It is. What is distracting him is the thought of Chihaya and Arata meeting. He doesn't want to have to face that situation yet, and he's fooling himself into thinking preventing them from meeting is in Chihaya and the team's best interest. It all stems from his insecurity, which fuels his jealousy. I agree his feelings toward Arata are very complex, but right now, I do think he is acting mainly on jealousy.
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2013-03-17, 11:25 | Link #717 | |
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If Arata comes, he'll deal with it, but this is really no time to go chasing after him. |
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2013-03-17, 11:48 | Link #718 | |
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Like I said before Taichi has actually never tried to keep Chihaya away from Arata. It's also not like Taichi didn't realize Arata was going to be at Omi Jingu, the only difference is he thought Arata would not show up till the individual match and he did not mentally prepare himself for him showing up now. There is no way that Taichi thought I can keep Chihaya from seeing Arata on this trip. That is not why he is reacting like this. Also you are missing something crucial these are Taichi's inner thoughts Ep 9: We don't have time to think about Arata but what if he really is here, what if Arata comes to watch us? Stop it Queen and Arata those words will distract Chihaya, I need her to focus on the team match, so Arata is here... Chihaya may get distracted by Arata but she does draw strength and inspiration from him. On the other hand Arata brings out a major inferiority complex out of Taichi (it is not just in terms of romance but also in terms of karuta). Taichi wants to show off to Arata just as much as Chihaya. He wants approval from Arata but as Arata is so above him (in Taichi's eyes) it makes him nervous and feel inferior that he will never live up to Arata's expectations (the romance with Chihaya is just an added complexity). Arata doesn't of course think like this at all about Taichi. I think Arata would love to play a great game with both Taichi and Chihaya, to be on a team with them again. There was an episode in season 1 where Arata said to Taichi I thought you would be Team A by now. This hurt Taichi but Arata didn't mean it in that way. Arata actually sees Taichi as an admirable player who can reach Team A. I don't think Arata would have said those words to a player that he didn't believe in. So yeah TLDR I don't see it as simple jealousy (although that is a part of it) but the fact that it's Taichi who is getting distracted by Arata, not Chihaya.
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It's jealousy because the core of his outburst was from his complex on Arata/Chihaya relationship that has been whirling in his head since twenty some episodes ago (or maybe more. I haven't been watching.) You know that feeling when you see somebody you like so happy with someone else.... |
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2013-03-17, 13:09 | Link #720 | |
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Chihaya/Arata might be a part of it but it is not the only part. Taichi's feelings about Arata are way more complicated than that. That is why I am saying it is not just simple jealousy & wanting to keep her away from Arata. Although I am not saying Taichi is not jealous of what he perceives Chihaya's feelings for Arata to be.
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