Code Geass R2 - Episode 21 Discussion / Poll

[CapoExecutor]

Lelouch could just knock Charles and Marianne out cold, strap them to some gurney, and install machines that constantly pumps Refrain into their systems. That way, at least both delusional parents would think that they've achieved their goal when they really didn't.

In that one month period, was the political shape of the world still the same in regards to who holds sovereign control over what territories?

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by miroku2192

why can't they? he IS zero afterall. If he says he'll bring about a peace and work with UFN, what does the UFN have to lose?

They kicked Zero to the curb because he lied to them and used them. And now that he is Emperor of Britannia now, they have no REASON to trust him AT ALL.

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by Diedrupo

Meh, these are just assumptions. I believe the BK and UFN are working with Schneizel, and that he might emerge to be a rebel leader against the new Britannia much like how Zero was. Schneizel can't do anything with just Japan so he's going to ally with the UFN if he hasn't already (Viletta's presence among the BK and Diethard's with Schneizel would indicate they are working together, regardless of whatever BS reasons you come up with to counter it).

There is no way the UFN would support Lelouch and the new Britannia given that he essentially took over the empire he was fighting. Lelouch never cared about world peace so why would he start now?

Why would Lelouch make himself an enemy of the UFN when he could give them what they wanted no questions asked? As for your Villetta and Diethard remark, it's quite frankly stupid. Villetta stayed with the Black Knights of her own accord. There were no orders, and even a suggestion by Cornelia that nobility isn't important. Clearly, you're just ignoring the facts. Diethard values the story above all else, and it isn't with the Black Knights any more.

Originally Posted by Orga777

They kicked Zero to the curb because he lied to them and used them. And now that he is Emperor of Britannia now, they have no REASON to trust him AT ALL.

Just because they don't trust him doesn't mean they can't work with him.

[miroku2192]

Originally Posted by Orga777

They kicked Zero to the curb because he lied to them and used them. And now that he is Emperor of Britannia now, they have no REASON to trust him AT ALL.

doesn't mean they can't work with him, whats their main goal? peace? yeah, why not take the chance at world peace instead of stirring up more troubles

EDIT:
DOH moborofist already beat me to it haha

^haha butchered your name, forgot what it was

[Finre]

AHHH..... İ'd very like to see Lelouch's enter with zero uniform and mask,and announce it after he take his mask off...

[El_Negro]

Originally Posted by finalnight

Lelouch and Suzaku=Kira and Athrun, lol

Another amusing drawing at the end of the episode too.

Oh and Suzaku, Knight Zero and Kallen Knight One=Uber win.

Nah

Lelouch & Suzaku are a darker version of Kira & Athrun

[Revolutionist]

Who cares about the BKs or what they do anymore? They'll probably get destroyed by Knight of Zero in the coming episodes for being obstacles to Lelouch and Suzaku's plan.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

Just because they don't trust him doesn't mean they can't work with him.

That would mean Schneizel really has NOTHING. Lelouch would have the entire world to go along with Britannia, and Geass to top it all off. What does Schneizel have? It isnt like he is the only one with FLEIYA. Who knows where Nina even went and how many resources Schneizel even has now. Unless Damocles is some epitome of insta-win Deus Ex Machina, then he is well outclassed.

[miroku2192]

and to answer the other guy? i see where you're going, BUT at the same time, i felt that V.V. needed a person to witness the gunshots afterwards, even if she saw the set up, it's fine as she can attest to getting shot by gunshots through the window (terrorist)...only reason charles did it is to p revent her from tellign the truth and forcing v.v. to kill her

[El_Negro]

Originally Posted by Orga777

It depends whether they can TRUST Lelouch.

I guess that's brings us to this quote

"Can we still trust you lelouch?"

Wonder who stated it, it was in one of the spoilers off the Crimson Moon website

[miroku2192]

Originally Posted by Orga777

That would mean Schneizel really has NOTHING. Lelouch would have the entire world to go along with Britannia, and Geass to top it all off. What does Schneizel have? It isnt like he is the only one with FLEIYA. Who knows where Nina even went and how many resources Schneizel even has now. Unless Damocles is some epitome of insta-win Deus Ex Machina, then he is well outclassed.

and that is why we always wait for the next week of Code Geass

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by Orga777

That would mean Schneizel really has NOTHING. Lelouch would have the entire world to go along with Britannia, and Geass to top it all off. What does Schneizel have? It isnt like he is the only one with FLEIYA. Who knows where Nina even went and how many resources Schneizel even has now. Unless Damocles is some epitome of insta-win Deus Ex Machina, then he is well outclassed.

I wouldn't put it past Schneizel to have quietly shifted that research, and the means to make it more than just an idea, out of the hands of anyone but himself. As for what he has, he probabkly does have the "epitome of insta-win Deus Ex Machina" or something fairly close. He's too damn confident if he just has the Black Knights as allies.

[brandon279]

Originally Posted by miroku2192

and to answer the other guy? i see where you're going, BUT at the same time, i felt that V.V. needed a person to witness the gunshots afterwards, even if she saw the set up, it's fine as she can attest to getting shot by gunshots through the window (terrorist)...only reason charles did it is to p revent her from tellign the truth and forcing v.v. to kill her

if V.V was afraid of her telling the truth, he would NOT make her witness anything.
he didnt want Charles to know that he Killed Marian, so MUST LEAVE NO WITNESS ALIVE.

we are just talking about 1st point, actually i can add the 9, 10 and 11 by now, but really there is no need for that.

[miroku2192]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

I wouldn't put it past Schneizel to have quietly shifted that research, and the means to make it more than just an idea, out of the hands of anyone but himself. As for what he has, he probabkly does have the "epitome of insta-win Deus Ex Machina" or something fairly close. He's too damn confident if he just has the Black Knights as allies.

exactly, im sure the writers who have given us so many plot twists can come up with something that will blow our minds away, especially since so many people already think that lulu has won, period. THat's exactly the way they've (the writers) been getting us, so im ready for another big plottwist hehe

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

I wouldn't put it past Schneizel to have quietly shifted that research, and the means to make it more than just an idea, out of the hands of anyone but himself. As for what he has, he probabkly does have the "epitome of insta-win Deus Ex Machina" or something fairly close. He's too damn confident if he just has the Black Knights as allies.

Except isn't the little thing that we do know of the next episode that the UFN and Britannia are on separate sides? Lelouch IS Britannia now.

[gabbytay]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

I wouldn't put it past Schneizel to have quietly shifted that research, and the means to make it more than just an idea, out of the hands of anyone but himself. As for what he has, he probabkly does have the "epitome of insta-win Deus Ex Machina" or something fairly close. He's too damn confident if he just has the Black Knights as allies.

You forgot about the UN they seem to be friends with Schniezel.

[miroku2192]

Originally Posted by brandon279

if V.V was afraid of her telling the truth, he would NOT make her witness the set up.

he didnt want Charles to know that he Killed Marian, so MUST LEAVE NO WITNESS ALIVE.

we are just talking about 1st point, actually i can add the 9, 10 and 11 by now, but really there is no need for that.

what were ur 9, 10 and 11th points? And honestly, there's still plot armor, it's not perfect, but it's still somewhat plausible. But by witnessed the setup, they could just mean putting her under marianne, hell she could've stil thought that marianne was killed. Charles said "to stop her from coming CLOSE to uncovering the truth", in other words, she probably wasn't 100% sure whath appened, thats the only thing i can assume ot make the whole thing seem more plausible...

but please show me points 9 10 and 11 since you seem so set on saying code geass sucks now

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by Orga777

Except isn't the little thing that we do know of the next episode that the UFN and Britannia are on separate sides? Lelouch IS Britannia now.

The previews also said the Lancelot Albion would appear this time. Just because they're on separate sides doesn't mean Lelouch can't extend an olive branch.

Originally Posted by gabbytay

You forgot about the UN they seem to be friends with Schniezel.

How'd you get that? He negotiated a secret deal with the Black Knight leaders and his meeting with Kaguya was dismissed early.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

The previews also said the Lancelot Albion would appear this time. Just because they're on separate sides doesn't mean Lelouch can't extend an olive branch.

Meh. True.

How'd you get that? He negotiated a secret deal with the Black Knight leaders and his meeting with Kaguya was dismissed early.

And they wouldn't have started those negotiations up again?

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by Orga777

And they wouldn't have started those negotiations up again?

My point is that jumping from "cut off negotiations" to "allies" is quite premature.