2011-08-16, 15:14 | Link #701 |
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The thing is, how can a power that destroys all supernatural phenomenon be considered natural. The laws of physics are "natural" in this world, because they are universal. Supernatural powers disrupt this. If Imagine Breaker was a natural phenomenon you would expect it to be a more common occurrence not just him. Hence the idea that Touma's ability truly exists completely separate from any rules humans can glean from... Imaginary indeed. Perhaps Aiwass will one day give us a better understandings using his other-dimensional thinking process.
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2011-08-16, 15:58 | Link #702 |
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physics unlike mathematics aren't universal. I say it even though I know what you mean because it's really important in science to not think our view of the world is the only one.
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2011-08-16, 17:48 | Link #703 | |
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So 'destroy all supernatural phenomenon' can still be 'natural'. |
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2011-08-16, 17:52 | Link #704 | |
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So pretty much is like the spell Flow break from slayers?
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2011-08-16, 18:23 | Link #705 | |
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Maybe we'll be told eventually that I.B. really is some part of a natural process, but as of right now it seems to be an existence flying shotgun with the Holy Right in terms of categorization to me. But if the Holy Right is supposed to be natural too.... I'll shut my mouth now |
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2011-08-17, 00:36 | Link #706 |
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Wow, that was a pretty interesting discussion in there. But yeah, Accel became even more powerful than before when he lost to Touma the first time. That and the speculations abound that Accel's now paving his way through the Magic Side, possibly becoming a successful esper-mage hybrid himself, the possibilities for him are practically endless.
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2011-08-17, 01:56 | Link #708 | |
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Or he can join Kakine in the fridge.
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2011-08-17, 02:10 | Link #709 | ||
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FYI, the body is full of cancerous cells. They are only recognized as cancer when the growth goes out of control. If Accelerator tried to do what you suggested, he'd end up destroying his entire body. It's the same thing as bacteria - The body needs a balance of good and bad to be... well, balanced. Quote:
Espers themselves can be considered artificial means of AIM power. Gemstones are born naturally but Imagine Breaker affects them as well and AIM itself has a detrimental effect on Mana, another natural source of energy. Think about it, was AIM created as a means to keep mana in check by the planet or was an evolutionary process whereby AIM was created as a response to mana? Certain phenomenon cannot occur without something else being the catalyst. In another way, we can look at Imagine Breaker as - Was Imagine Breaker created as a means or a response to the supernatural? But then, we only define those powers as Supernatural. What if the supernatural was normal? Then what meaning does Imagine Breaker have in a world like that? In a world with supernatural power, Imagine Breaker's effects can be considered 'normal' and in a normal world, Imagine Breaker is still... well, normal. An ideal Right Hand - It has meaning in a world that needs it. Last edited by Drifting Wolf; 2011-08-17 at 02:21. |
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2011-08-17, 16:53 | Link #710 |
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Technically, the entire world is 'supernatural' if we go by any of the creation 'myths', and they don't necessarily have to be Christianity ones. God/s created the world, and the only reason why IB doesn't break everything is because they don't actively have supernatural energy in them (going back to the example from the first volume of how Touma can block magical fire but not the ash it left behind).
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2011-08-23, 16:51 | Link #711 |
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This probably isn't going to happen, but how do you think temporal powers would interact with Imagine Breaker? (For example, if someone makes time stand still, would the Imagine Breaker merely allow Touma to move around or would it cancel the time freeze the moment it was present in it)
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2011-08-23, 17:27 | Link #712 | |
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If it's a mind affliction (like in Code Geass) then only Touma would be able to move in it. Probably the same with a global effect (like angel fall... but that level is beyond an esper.) If it's a localized time displacement (similar to the dimension displacement in Shakugan no Shana) then it would probably be dispelled as soon as Touma enters the area. If it's a personal time displacement (as in accelerating his own timeframe) then Touma could only end it by touching him with his right hand... But that would be hard if not impossible to do even with "precognition." At least, that's how I think it would behave for these cases. |
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2011-08-25, 23:49 | Link #716 | |
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Consider this; Life Force = Magic.
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2011-08-26, 06:13 | Link #717 |
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I think it's because Ki attacks have something to do about drawing power from nature, or from THEIR OWN SPIRIT ENERGY.
The problem is that in franchises where Ki attacks are introduced, spirit force is separate from life force. That is not the case in Index, as the spirit force (mana) needed to cast spells are derived from the magician's life force and a small fraction of energy from nature. I would say that Ki attacks could be construed as Gemstone esper abilities developed OUTSIDE Academy City since it's not drawn from the user's life force. Flat What. And to be fair, there shouldn't be a lot of people who do Ki attacks in Index considering that there are only 50 Gemstone espers in the world. Of course, another way around it is to theorize that Ki attack users draw most of their powers FROM NATURAL ENERGY plus a small fraction of their life force. So, yeah, Ki attackers are mages. It's just that Ki attacks are NOT runic magic, but rather a different kind of Functional Magic honed by integrating oneself to nature. Spoiler for On another topic:
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2011-09-07, 13:59 | Link #720 | |
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The real world Aleister Crowley believed in different ages where currently the age of horus is the
active where humans would start conquer their own reality and thus becoming gods themselves. In the Toaruverse espers power is to replace reality with their own reality via the AIM field. Quote:
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