2014-03-30, 14:07 | Link #721 |
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I think the elephant in the room is that many yuri lovers didn't liked Sakura Trick but can't bring themselves to say it out loud. It is hard to recommend it as a comedy, it just made me smile (who wouldn't with a cast of pretty girls). It is hard to recommend it as a slice of life, I did not felt "healed" on one any single episode. It is hard to recommend it as a drama, since the showdown with Mitsuki lacked any real tension and it was only in the last two episodes. When people say they want more Kotone and Shizuki, what they are really saying is that they wanted more depth to the plot and since those to promised some interesting developments, people would have liked to see them more. Heck, even Kaede and Yuzu promised more depth if either Kaede gives up on Yuzu or musters the strength to confess.
In the end Sakura Trick relies heavily in the quick thrill of two girls kissing (aka fanservice) on screen, but the sales numbers are in we wont see another Sakura Trick in the near future; yuri will continue to be popular only as a subgenre in comedies like Yuru Yuri, Kinmoza or Non Non Byori. Last edited by mangamuscle; 2014-03-30 at 14:18. |
2014-03-30, 14:29 | Link #722 |
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The moar Kotone/Shizuku Kaede/Yuzu sentiments seem to me like they just wanted to see more of what had less focus since Haruka and Yuu were the leading characters in the story.
If one of the other pairs had been the leading stories there would of been clamoring for the other pairs instead. We're always interested in what we didn't get to see. For example I would of like to see Rina and Sumi introduced earlier. |
2014-03-30, 15:58 | Link #723 | |
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My main reason for not preferring the explanation that Tachi was coerced by editorial pressures into extending the life of her story is because I think it is obvious that she should've wanted a long running series anyways. Consider that from the start the narrative seemed set up to cover the three years of highschool (at least). Additionally, the very purposeful usage of Mitsuki's character (she developed her crush on Haruka from her very first chapter; and stumbled upon Yuu and Haruka kissing/developed suspicions about them from her second). Finally the inherent vaguery involved in how Yuu and Haruka's relationship started. Basically, I think that the combination of all these factors make it very easy to believe that the twist/climax of 'Oh, Haruka doesn't understand romantic love' at the end of the first year was planned from the beginning. So, if that was the case, the question might become: if Tachi knew that she was going to proceed with this reveal at the end of Yuu and Haruka's first year of highschool, why did she include earlier scenes like Yuu and Haruka making vows of marriage to each other, or having fantasies of domestic happiness? Namely, scenes which seemed to display that Haruka understood the concept of romantic partnership. To that extent, regardless of if those scenes are reconcilable with the climax, I suppose they could be argued as bad writing thanks to the confusion they caused the viewers. Ultimately that kind of thing will have to come down to personal opinion. However, my main concern is about avoiding exaggerations of what Haruka did or did not understand after the climax. Basically, the idea of cancelling their earlier relational progress, which is important to the overall enjoyment of the story. So, first of all, about the scene of the marriage vows. During the marriage kiss scene, Yuu and Haruka kept talking about 'sealing their vows'. Basically, the scene was not about something concrete relating to their relationship status like Yuu/Haruka saying "I'll marry you", or thinking "we're married now". Rather, the point was that they were making vows to each other in the same sense of the vows made during a marriage ceremony. The same vows made by the couple which were actually getting married, Yuu and Haruka made to each other. Emotionally, that would be something like the equivalent of "I, [name], take you, [name], from this day forward, to love and to cherish, for better or worse, for richer or poorer, in sickness or health, till death do us part." Although Yuu and Haruka could not actually get married by doing their kissing at that time, they were emotionally making that promise to each other, so it is something which I don't think is weakened at all by Haruka not specifically understanding romantic love. Next there's the scene with Haruka imagining her and Yuu having a baby together. Basically that was Haruka envisioning her and Yuu in a stereotypically happy depiction of domestic life, indicating Haruka's long term desires/commitment for their relationship. However, rather than being a future Haruka explicitly thought of through all the intermediary steps (like 'dating'), it seems perfectly possible that it was just an idle fantasy perhaps modeled after the relationship she saw between her own parents. The main idea is that exactly because those fantasies or even the concept of getting married (for two women) are so far away from the pragmatic concept/reality of 'dating' (which is something with a bit of a casual, tentative vibe; a 'dating' status does not even have the commitment level of fiancees, it's just 'going out') that there doesn't have to be a contradiction between Haruka wanting to do those things, and not having a concept of romantic dating. Rather, upon retrospection the whole 'living together' fantasy was actually pretty funny in that instead of some sort of newlywed life, it almost seemed like it was moreso a fantasy of Haruka taking care of Yuu (like a mother and child, or wife and deadbeat husband). In that case you can actually see it as foreshadowing towards Haruka's lack of romantic/romantically sexual awareness in their relationship. So in summary the scenes of Yuu/Haruka's romantic 'progress/development' in the first season of the anime should probably be viewed through the lens of emotional progress/development. Although Yuu and Haruka really did get closer, that was in terms of their emotional connection and not really sexually. The thing is that I basically think that Haruka's awareness of romantic love will be inherently connected to to this awareness of sexuality. Everything regarding the emotional side of romantic love, Haruka is already properly progressing with Yuu. In fact, none of the emotional development of Yuu and Haruka's relationship (i.e. having made marriage vows to each other, or wanting to live together and raise a family) is/was threatened or contradicted by the events of the last episode. Haruka herself knows that even if she says 'suki' to other people, her relationship with Yuu is special beyond the meaning of that regular 'suki'. However, for the moment Haruka can only express that emotional status via the symbol of a kiss. Because Haruka doesn't understand sexuality, she is unable to symbolize their emotional connection at any higher physical level. In this way, I don't think viewers have to feel that any of Yuu and Haruka's emotional progress was at all cancelled out by the developments of the first season's ending. Rather, what the conclusion brings is simply a new stage (the physical one, and a stage of developing sexual maturity) for Yuu and Haruka's relationship to progress (towards proper lovers). 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2014-03-30, 22:42 | Link #725 | |
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When I first read the synopsis, I had a feeling that the show was going to an elite offering; it turned out to be a solid offering but that doesn't mean that it is a bad show or that I didn't like it. The problem is that while it offered the additional yuri I would like to see in more slice of life comedies, it failed to do some of the things that other slice of life comedies have done well, like balanced distribution of screen time for the main cast. It also could have improved on the comedy and minimized the screen time for the drama, as it wasn't very compelling for the most part. I would have liked to see the Mitsuki and Rina yuri scenes animated. I have a feeling, although Rina didn't get much screen time, that they would make a very cute couple. Last edited by shigeru212; 2014-03-31 at 01:09. Reason: grammar |
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2014-03-31, 00:25 | Link #726 |
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I don't dislike what's in the show, but I think that there's too little focus on characters other than Haruka and the Sonoda sisters. The two teachers have cameos in the OP, but almost never appeared. There's the Shizuku-Kotone relationship, but that got very little attention. Sumisumi and Rina joined the cast way too late; while Sumisumi remains and might take a major role, Rina graduated, and her interest in Mitsuki got too little attention as a result. I got the sense that the show wasn't much deeper relationship-wise compared to a standard SoL, and the last episode surprisingly confirmed that. Looking back, the only part of the show that I can definitely say was my favorite turns out to be the ED, the rest was just too forgettable other than the constant Haruka-Yuu kissing. The writers (or is it the mangaka?) seemed really hesitant to be more ambitious with the series.
Score: 7/10.
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2014-04-01, 01:32 | Link #728 | |
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2014-04-04, 06:01 | Link #730 |
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What’s Wrong with Sakura Trick?: When Author’s Objective Doesn’t Match Fans’ Expectat
Upon reflection on what went wrong with Sakura Trick, I’ve finally arrived at a conclusion: the author’s objective and fans’ expectation are incompatible.
Now let us first explore what the fans expect out of series like Sakura Trick. Actually, it’s more about what yuri fans who watch/read “cute girls doing cute things” series like those in Kirara magazines want in general. You all should probably aware by now that having male appearing as a main character in this kind of series is considered a rare sight and mostly uncalled for. Do you know why? For yuri fans, it’s because males usually get in the way of their GirlxGirl pairing. The setting without male MC creates a yuri goggle friendly environment by which yuri fans can feel safe and secure to ship females to their hearts content. See, the point is NOT the males themselves, but the feeling of being safe and secure from anyone and anything that can get in the way of their ship. LOL now do you began to see where I’m coming from? I’m going to make a metaphor of what went wrong with Sakura Trick. The author is the cruise captain (let’s call that cruise SBJKxU) and we are her passengers. She promised us that she will take us safely to the destination. Although the captain managed to take us to the destination without sinking SBJKxU as promised, she rocks the cruise too much at times causing some of the passengers to experience sea sickness. She also took some unexpected detour along the way to some places we don’t really enjoy. In the end of the tour, we were pissed off at the captain despite arriving to the destination safely. I noticed that most of the complaints from here and other sites are directed to the in-story development that could threaten to break up the official couple. Whether the threats themselves are effective in breaking the couple or not isn’t an issue, the problem is the fact that it exist, and that alone is enough of a eyes sore to those who don’t want to see anyone or anything that could disturb the progress of the couple they are rooting for aka their ship.
All these factors are undesirable to certain group of fans since it can threaten to break up or at least slowdown the progress of the couples. Can you fault them for being pissed? After all most of Kirara published works, as highlighted before, provides a safe and secure environment for shipping GirlxGirl, and with this series in particular, it promotes official couples kissing, so naturally the yuri fandom expect to feel even safer and more secure than ever before compared to other works under the same magazine. Ok, enough of the fans expectation, now we look at things from the author’s view, Tachi-sensei. I am not certain myself what the author want and neither did Sol Falling, but he proposed an idea that author want to develop things emotionally first before moving on the more sexual and sexuality awareness stage of HaurkaxYuu relationship. He is in an opinion that right now at the end of 1st season, Haurka’s incapable of expressing higher level of physical intimacy beyond that of kissing because she hadn’t fully comprehend romantic love or sexual orientation, and next season will likely take HarukaxYuu relationship to a new level although since I haven’t read the manga, I can’t say for sure myself. Whether Sol Falling’s opinion is the same as the author’s objective or not is beside the point. The point is that he somewhat succeed in adjusting his mindset to make it compatible with what the author wants to write allowing him to appreciate the series in a way that not many readers/viewers can see. I have to say that this is no easy task, since I attempted one right after watching ep. 12 and it didn’t work out until I read his reply on my s1 final impression review. Sometimes the author’s intention behind the work aligns with what the fans want and sometimes it doesn’t. However, sometime fans seem to be under the false expectation that author clearly understands them and must cater to their every whim which may or may not be the case. I admit that this is the case with my initial impression of Sakura Trick. When I first learned about girls kissing in this series, I instantly thought, “Yeah finally, an author that can understand what yuri fans truly want from a “cute girls” series. I bet s/he is just like one of us.” This turns out to be a misconception. Now that I know the author is a female, and after some thought, I think her style is more suited for shoujo style yuri than seinen oriented yuri. It shoujo style yuri genre center more around girls taking things slowly while pondering over their homosexuality than seinen. This is just my opinion, but I think young female audiences may be able to better sympathize with Haruka than adult male audiences who are dying to see her and Yuu and/or Mitsuki on top of each other, for example see Chiaki_chan’s post above me. In short, the author is taking it slowly, while we guys tend to be more impatient so to say. In summary, it seems to me that Tachi-sensei’s intention of writing Sakura Trick and massage she wants convey through her story doesn’t sit well with some of the target audiences’ expectation resulting in some people unable to fully enjoy and appreciate the series. It depends on how genre savvy and fan savvy is the said author and the skill in conveying his/her intended massages through the media they work on, and it also depending on the audience’s individual mindset in accepting and interpreting the massage. Sometime fans need to take a step back from their fandom mindset to appreciate a series from another perspective like Sol Falling and few others managed to do. Of course it’s very hard to achieve, and not many are capable of doing it in which case it can be attributed to author’s bad writing. However, not every author has to be fan savvy, and the author is by no means obliged to cater to fans every wishes. Personally, I don’t want to say that it’s a bad thing try experimenting or doing something different from the majority of fans’ general expectation, but even so, I think the author needs to at least be cautious about story element fans don’t like to see in your series which may undermine what you are trying to achieve. |
2014-04-04, 12:26 | Link #731 | |
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By the way, Haruka's lack of awareness about romance has nothing to do with sexuality imo. The story doesn't deal with sexuality and probably never will so that's out of the question. Haruka's new stupidity is just Tachi's cheap attempt to drag things out. That's all. Once she's milked the series enough, she'll have Haruka suddenly snap out of it for the end.
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2014-04-09, 17:41 | Link #733 | |
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It's the thing that I was waiting for. One of those cute slice of life shows, but with text instead of subtext. Haruka and Mitsuki space cadet moments. The kisses of course. The funny moments, like the Mikan-san gag or the "courage test". I loved it. Was a fantastic anime. And I already miss my weekly dosis of cuteyuri. But, of course isn't perfect. The lack of focus in Rina and Sumi Sumi. (And the teachers!) The ending with Haruka being incapable of understand the concept of romantic love. Kinda feels like all the previous development was... for nothing... we are still in step one. ¿Maybe an original ending might have been better? Also, I have no problem with Kotone being engaged. We all know that she gonna be the runaway bride, and gonna escape to marry with Shizuku. And also I have no problem with Mitsuki and her crush with Haruka. Was in fact awesome. That gay realization was epic.
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2014-04-25, 03:20 | Link #734 |
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Watching Episodes 10-12 in one go is just like Rina's feeling after eating a lot of matcha pudding. Saccharine suffering.
Sumisumi's cuteness and the triangle between Mitsuki, Yuu and Haruka aside, I feel nothing negative about Haruka not knowing about what love is. It heavily implies that their romance is as pure and innocent as it can be, and at least Haruka took responsibility by wanting to know more about love and loving Yuu. I think Haruka's small step there was enough for Mitsuki to ease her worries about the two. But since the story's far from over, there will be much more for this love story. A rather satisfactory ending, all in all. Series #196 GET. EDIT: Did Rina imply some budding feelings for Mitsuki at the end?
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2016-02-01, 03:01 | Link #735 |
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The series has become active again recently. In the past few months, there had been a couple of live events, NicoNico streaming the whole season, new merchandise being released, and BD-Box being released soon. The manga just recently finished covering their second school year and started their third year. I won't be surprised if there will be second season announcement sometime later this year.
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2016-02-01, 14:31 | Link #736 |
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Ooh? I did hear a bit about those live events & BD-Box. Not so much about NicoNico's streaming or new merch.... or manga...I should really start reading it
That would be nice if a s2 announcement does happen, at the same time don't wanna get my hopes up. Plus how much more yurilicious can the s2 OP even be...?
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2016-03-30, 18:30 | Link #738 |
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So I finished watching this show and here is what I thought.
Most of the characters were one dimensional with very little depth to each of them. The main couple Haruka and Yuu had issues on their own. Haruka was rather possessive, easily gets jealous, and sometimes she can't do things without Yuu being there. Yuu was rather immature and kinda of a brat that won't behave properly given the situation. Kotone and Shizuku were the most shallow couple of the series and the most one dimensional characters in the show. They were just boring when they were on screen. Yuzu and Kaede were the best characters in the show and the best couple, but also wasted potential because of the little screen time they got. It's ironic that the best couple were not even lesbians to begin with, and that's actually good thing. The show would have been crap if all the girls were into each other. Then there is Mitsuki, probably the best girl in the show, since some of the best scenes involved her around. I really like her character as well as Kaede and Yuzu. They were fun to see them on screen. Overall, it's a good show, cute, but lacks impact and it's a bit shallow. I'm not a big fan of girl on girl action, the show could have done a lot better with less kissing and more character development, depth, and better comedy. I will give a C+ rating in my book. There is nothing that can top Yuru Yuri so far when it comes to light yuri anime. |
2022-07-24, 13:54 | Link #739 |
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Plenty of SoL shows put cuteness and fanservice over plot, and don't get as much stick as this show because their yuri is non-explicit. It isn't any more necessary to go into the deep complexities of life and gay relationships (No gay marriage in Japan yet, for a start), when this is simply a charming depiction of lovey-dovey highschoolers who think about each other all the time and keep finding new ways to express their love through kissing. The genuine teenage concerns of love, unrequited love, school not lasting forever and parental expectations re arranged marriage are dealt with in a very rose-tinted and simple way, which still puts this series well over dramas that contrive angst, erase the gays or abuse women for fun. Sakura Trick does have more unnecessary fanservice than depth, but is actually far more respectful of girls' feelings and personhood than their bodies; for light and adorable gay teen romance, this is very fair series indeed.
The 'not understanding love' ending is fairly standard for dragging out teen anime romances, and not unreasonable; many teens don't understand the full meaning of love, dating or marriage, even if they often think they do. Not understanding everything about being gay, if no one tells you, is realistic as well. |
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