High School DxD [LN/M] - Discussion about Other Topics

[godz]

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

This is DxD. If you're following the original myths to the letter, then Fafnir and Lugh should be dead.

Fafnir was dead and as I remember lugh never died ...

[Crimson406]

He was dead until he was resurrected by the Norse Gods.

[aw454wtr]

Hopefully xenovia and Issei manage to actually retire their respective opponents

Really if the author makes Issei lose again in this vol there goes all his credibility built over 20+ volumes

[Crimson406]

Originally Posted by aw454wtr

Hopefully xenovia and Issei manage to actually retire their respective opponents

Really if the author makes Issei lose again in this vol there goes all his credibility built over 20+ volumes

Volume 23 was only volume that Ishibumi wanted Ise to lose.

[aw454wtr]

Originally Posted by CrimsonDarkness406

Volume 23 was only volume that Ishibumi wanted Ise to lose.

Was that in the afterword of vol 23?

[Crimson406]

Yes Ishibumi wrote that he wanted Ise to lose in Volume 23.

[B214]

I don't think Ishibumi said Volume 23 will be the only Volume Ise will lose. He just said he wanted Ise to lose against someone.

[aw454wtr]

AT this point I hope author stops with Issei losing in RG already Issei already lost in RG in Vol 2, Vol 5, and vol 23 (and he was made to look weak against Saji in the RG in the SS) thats way more losses than a MC should have

[DragonOsman]

Originally Posted by aw454wtr

What are the odds ajuka's training room is a gravity chamber or a hyperbolic time chamber the author is using to fast track their growth to beat Tyhpone's team

It's not Ajuka's training room that Ise's being sent to, it's the Ocean of Milk which is a place in Hindu Mythology. The Ajuka training room thing was just a mistaken guess.

I agree with not wanting to see Ise lose anymore.

[n0m@n]

Ise's performance in the RG is pretty poor so seeing him perform bad again would be pretty bad.

I mean....
vs Raiser's team: Rias's team lost and Ise was also KOed by Raiser
vs Sona's team: Rias's team won but Ise retired due to blood loss
vs other minor teams in World RG: Despite having won all the matches not shown he had been receiving negative critics
vs Dulio's team: Ise's team first ever lost. Even if Dulio was his opponent who was backed by Rudiger losing against a team which has considerably less experience in a RG is pretty humiliating


There had been more matches shown where either his team or himself lost than a match where his team won without Ise retiring (He only won in 3 matches onscreen which was against Sairaorg's team(as a part of Rias's team), Barakiel's team, and Sona's team).
So reading another poor performance by Ise's team would be quite painful. Ise having negative critics than Cao Cao, Dulio, and Vali's team who had zero experience in RG untill this tournament began is sad.

I'm guessing that he would get a draw in v25. And then his team will win all of the matches till he gets defeated by one of the teams in the semi-finals.

[Lucidrago]

But Cao Cao, Dulio, and Tobio are good leaders who are able to coordinate their teams pretty well.

[DragonOsman]

Ise did well against Dulio despite losing, though. And Rudiger had nothing praise for him, too, which is also quite something.

If Ise doesn't win the whole thing, I just hope he has some way to get Tiamat her treasure back (unless she already has it back and is just trolling Ddraig, which is also a possibility). Otherwise he'll be cooked alive by Tiamat.

[Blazor 98]

Originally Posted by n0m@n

Ise's performance in the RG is pretty poor so seeing him perform bad again would be pretty bad.

I mean....
vs Raiser's team: Rias's team lost and Ise was also KOed by Raiser
vs Sona's team: Rias's team won but Ise retired due to blood loss
vs other minor teams in World RG: Despite having won all the matches not shown he had been receiving negative critics
vs Dulio's team: Ise's team first ever lost. Even if Dulio was his opponent who was backed by Rudiger losing against a team which has considerably less experience in a RG is pretty humiliating


There had been more matches shown where either his team or himself lost than a match where his team won without Ise retiring (He only won in 3 matches onscreen which was against Sairaorg's team(as a part of Rias's team), Barakiel's team, and Sona's team).
So reading another poor performance by Ise's team would be quite painful. Ise having negative critics than Cao Cao, Dulio, and Vali's team who had zero experience in RG untill this tournament began is sad.

I'm guessing that he would get a draw in v25. And then his team will win all of the matches till he gets defeated by one of the teams in the semi-finals.

Issei losing against Dulio is not that bad since they have Rudiger. You have to take several things into account.

1. Dulio is a capable leader and his team are experienced in fighting together since they all hail from the church.

2. Rudiger exploited several weakness which gave Dulio's team an advantage.

3. Rudiger experience in the rating game would help any notice. The key of doing good in a rating game is having good leadership and can fight as a group with good coordination.

Look at Cao Cao and Vali's team. None of them have experience in rating games and none of them have coaches to advise them and yet they beat Sairaorg and Rias team who have experience in rating games. Why? Because they have great leadership and know how to coordinate and fight together as a group.

Rias peerage lost against Riser peerage in Vol 2 but her team's performance was beyond impressive considering she had far less experience than Riser. Why her performance in later rating games went downhill from there is beyond me.

[syzorst]

Originally Posted by Blazor 98

Issei losing against Dulio is not that bad since they have Rudiger. You have to take several things into account.

1. Dulio is a capable leader and his team are experienced in fighting together since they all hail from the church.

2. Rudiger exploited several weakness which gave Dulio's team an advantage.

3. Rudiger experience in the rating game would help any notice. The key of doing good in a rating game is having good leadership and can fight as a group with good coordination.

Look at Cao Cao and Vali's team. None of them have experience in rating games and none of them have coaches to advise them and yet they beat Sairaorg and Rias team who have experience in rating games. Why? Because they have great leadership and know how to coordinate and fight together as a group.

Rias peerage lost against Riser peerage in Vol 2 but her team's performance was beyond impressive considering she had far less experience than Riser. Why her performance in later rating games went downhill from there is beyond me.

Rias doing that well against Riser was mainly do to Riser's overconfidence. Rias had no experience and she didn't have her hold set at the time. Meanwhile Riser does has plenty of experience and he won almost all his games while losing only 2 and that's because he lost on purpose. So obvious if you look at it objectively Rias was at an overwhelming disadvantage so it made sense Riser would be overconfident and he even gave Rias time to train her servants. Even then he still was overconfident. He didn't even his peerage to their full potential and underestimated Rias peerage. Ravel did practically nothing when she easily could've help. Issei even admitted that if Ravel would've came up with the strategies than it wouldn't have been much of a match.

[Lucidrago]

Yeah Riser was overconfident in that match.

The reason why Rias faced such difficulties is because she was complacent. Let's not talk about her just waiving lff her servants' problems and thinking they'd go away with time. For example Akeno and Koneko weren't even using the power they were born with. Issei was the one who had to convince them to bring out their true power. Issei was the one who crashed the engagement party and saved Rias. Issei was the one who went to save Asia. Issei was the one who reached out to help Kiba. He was the one who extended an olive branch to Xenovia and Irina to help them destroy the Excaliburs. He was the one who motivated Gasper to be a man. Issei has been giving 1000% to make the Gremory group what it was. Making Issei her pawn was the best decision Rias could have ever done. Not saying that Rias doesn't deserve any credit but she's been too complacent in the way things are that she has been unwilling to move forward.

And in her Rating Games, it's more due to Rias being young but she has unconsciously underestimated her opponents. With her match against Sona and her match against Sairaorg. Everyone's young and naive in a way. That includes Rias who is still a teenager. She can tell herself she won't underestimate her opponents but doing it is another thing entirely. Having a powerful team can make even the humblest of people overconfident even if it's not on the surface. And then in her match against Sairaorg she was largely looking at Sairaorg as a threat while kind of ignoring his servants.

Issei was still working out how to coordinate his team at the beginning. Since he hasn't had experience leading like Vali, Sairaorg, Dulio, Tobio, or Cao Cao.

[DragonOsman]

I can't agree about Rias being even unconsciously overconfident, other than against Sona in Volume 5 and Sairaorg in Volume 10, but other than that I agree.

And yeah, the main reason Rias did well against Riser was due to his own overconfidence. He had too big of an advantage and he severely underestimated Rias' peerage, as Syzorst said.

Ise lost against Dulio, but he did still do pretty good in that match. Rudiger exploited his team's weaknesses, but in the latter half of the match Ise was fighting back well and making a comeback, and if he'd had just a little more time, he could've won with the goal he was going for before time ran out. Rudiger also said that even though he wanted to give Ise's team the kind of loss where they'd be too afraid to challenge them again (or something like that), the loss he did give them ended up being the one where they'll definitely come back stronger than before.

[syzorst]

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

Yeah Riser was overconfident in that match.

The reason why Rias faced such difficulties is because she was complacent. Let's not talk about her just waiving lff her servants' problems and thinking they'd go away with time. For example Akeno and Koneko weren't even using the power they were born with. Issei was the one who had to convince them to bring out their true power. Issei was the one who crashed the engagement party and saved Rias. Issei was the one who went to save Asia. Issei was the one who reached out to help Kiba. He was the one who extended an olive branch to Xenovia and Irina to help them destroy the Excaliburs. He was the one who motivated Gasper to be a man. Issei has been giving 1000% to make the Gremory group what it was. Making Issei her pawn was the best decision Rias could have ever done. Not saying that Rias doesn't deserve any credit but she's been too complacent in the way things are that she has been unwilling to move forward.

And in her Rating Games, it's more due to Rias being young but she has unconsciously underestimated her opponents. With her match against Sona and her match against Sairaorg. Everyone's young and naive in a way. That includes Rias who is still a teenager. She can tell herself she won't underestimate her opponents but doing it is another thing entirely. Having a powerful team can make even the humblest of people overconfident even if it's not on the surface. And then in her match against Sairaorg she was largely looking at Sairaorg as a threat while kind of ignoring his servants.

Issei was still working out how to coordinate his team at the beginning. Since he hasn't had experience leading like Vali, Sairaorg, Dulio, Tobio, or Cao Cao.

Rias is showing a bit of improvement so It's not as bad as it was in earlier volumes. Her performance in the Azazel Cup is showing she is doing better than at the beginning. She's one of the leading teams in points besides the God teams despite her defeat against Vali's team and her nagotiation skills are still top notch. She manage to form a team that's become stronger after Issei, Asia, Xenovia and Roseweisse left. The only thing she's lacking now is experience and needs become stronger herself while also improving her tactical abilities.

[Lucidrago]

It's still there. Rias is still very young for a devil and still naive. It comes with her age. Basically all of the youths are naive due to their young age. It's something that can't just automatically go away. They are still young so they're going to be that way even if they don't mean to. They are still immature and full of weaknesses and openings because of their youth. But that's not exactly a good thing or bad thing.

Of course she's doing well since she's fighting teams way below her level and has experience as a king and leading het peerage.

[syzorst]

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

It's still there. Rias is still very young for a devil and still naive. It comes with her age. Basically all of the youths are naive due to their young age. It's something that can't just automatically go away. They are still young so they're going to be that way even if they don't mean to. They are still immature and full of weaknesses and openings because of their youth. But that's not exactly a good thing or bad thing.

Of course she's doing well since she's fighting teams way below her level and has experience as a king and leading het peerage.

That's why I said she's improved a bit not a whole lot. Also yes she has been defeating teams who are weak compared to hers but remember the tournament is not just about winning but accumulating points and her team is one of the leading teams in points besides the gods teams which means her teams performance has been good considering she has had good reviews from critics unlike Issei's Team in his first few matches. Her experience in the past games which didn't have the best results has helped her improve but only by so much hence she still lacks experience. After all, there are still people in her age group who can command their team better and come up with better strategies like Sona and Cao Cao and maybe Vali.

About her being complacent I can see that but at the same time she's aware there are people still ahead of her. For example, she knows that despite beating Sona in a rating game in Vol 5, Rias knows that Sona is still superior to her.

Volume 16:

Rias mumbles hard. Where she looks really jealous.
“……To be expected from Sona. To be able to read that far ahead……! Can I even surpass Sona!?”

[Lucidrago]

Again of course winnjng every match is going to give you tons of points. Rias and the rest of the Rookie Four, the Longinus possessors, and the god teams are the exceptional minority. They are winning all or almost all of their matches. So Dulio's team would be a leading team like Rias' and plus he's won every match of his unlike Rias. Same with Cao Cao and Vali. Same with Indra. There are other leading teams so while Rias is special for being one of those leading teams, there are other leading teams.