2010-05-31, 08:32 | Link #7481 |
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And as I mentioned before, Israel gets away with it because the various head of states in the Middle East would rather leave their countries weakened (and themselves in power) than to put their houses in order and challenge this power.
Anyway, no love for the Korean situation?
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2010-05-31, 09:09 | Link #7482 | |
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international law does not forbid laying siege to your enemies and Gaza isn't even under a total siege, because it shares a border with Egypt they don't have to allow Cement they don't have to allow almost anything really the only thing the israeli's actually HAVE to let in is humaniterian aid (drugs, food), which they do the ruling body in gaza (hamas) is at war with israel, and so israel is perfectly in its right to do whatever they can to hamper them from functioning properly if they want the blockade lifted, they know what they have to do. as for the "Masscare" in gaza the palestinian death toll is between 800 and 1400 (civilians and combatants) the death toll from US actions in falujia is estimated to be about 2000 (civilians and combatants) thats dense urban combat, not massacre you want examples of massacres look up hamma massacre in syria (1982) and black september in jorden (1970) to get a clue on how an ARAB regime would react if dealing with problems smiler to what israel was dealing with in gaza i'll give you a hint ... it involves adding another zero to the death toll
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2010-05-31, 09:22 | Link #7484 | |
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as in, when presented with actual facts and numbers, they would instead choose to go with their feelings instead for example pointing out that the number of palestinians killed by israel in past DECADE is smaller then what was killed by the king of jorden in a MONTH - is irrelevent when placed near pictures of children that were hurt by israeli attacks people would feel more for pictures then for facts, even if they know that the facts indicate a much GREATER amount of suffering people are just stupid that way fortunately, while people are stupid, countries are led by people who understand the need to run on logic rather then emotions (most of the time) and between interests, and emotions, countries tend to go with interests hence, why no one "does anything" about the Goldstone report people who actually READ it, and understand what it means IN CONTEXT, tend to disregard it (provided that its not in their interests to champion it)
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2010-05-31, 09:34 | Link #7485 | |||
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The Israelis have advanced irrigation technology for agriculture. Ever heard of Jaffa oranges? Jaffa juice?
That is probably the only fruit company that is EXTENSIVELY EXPORTED from Mideast. Can that. Quote:
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The militants could just load a couple of artillery shells onboard and head straight for an Israeli ship. Then pop goes the weasel. Wrong reference to "thuggish behaviour". But since they are surrounded by all sides and in desperation almost everyday, it is not surprising they would pre-empt. And regarding the "retarded Israelis" with regards to this ME conflict, I would expand the scope to include every Mideast dwelling nationality + Iran. Be politically correct. Insult every participant in this conflict, not just Israel. *sarcastic* Quote:
A bomb under the seat with less than a kg of C4 or TATP should be enough to kill. They had to blow his head off. Psychologists call this effect Post Embitterment Stress Disorder. And with so many Israelis embittered from World War II, then FOLLOWING up to the Arab-Israeli conflict 3 years later in 1948, it isn't surprising that such effects would be deadly and long lasting. Both sides just refuse to give way (though Israeli, under egging from the international community, gave back parts of Golan Heights after the 2009 conflict, but that isn't enough). What the Arab world should do is : 1. Recognise Israel FFS. 2. Set up embassies in Israel and allow them to do the same. 3. STFU with all the rhetoric about Israelis being selfish, oppressive, etc. Public stoning for people going against Prophet Mohammed ideals of peace and Abrahamic fellowship (YES that guy did play against anti-conversion and for respect for people with other religions, read the ENTIRE bloody Quran, not just parts of it) should be legalised. and Israel needs to do is : 1. Press the militants into negotiations, not into extinction. Killing their leaders is fine if they are crazed hardliners beyond hope (most up to date are), but don't slaughter them all. 2. Use violence discretionarily. Carry stun batons. 3. Watch the Mossad. Don't let them become the next Pakistani SIS.
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2010-05-31, 09:46 | Link #7487 | |
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It never ceases to amuse me when it comes to discussing the Mideast conflict. Even one of my Muslim friends had the cheek to comment on Hari Raya Haji in 08/09 before Cast Lead that, "Since they already have the cheek to kill people and stir up conflict on Ramadan, they should go all the way to break their fast with pork. They already have committed the sin of impatience after all.".
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2010-05-31, 09:46 | Link #7488 | |
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i WOULD want for once for the world to judge israel on the same set of moral standards as it judges its enemies because if all people do is hold israel to HIGHER moral standards then what they judge its enemies, then it means its enemies get a free pass, while israel is condemned for much less (as is the case now) why should dictators and terrorists get a free pass, simply for being dictators QED : Gaza when contrasted to hamma israel killed at most 1400 = horrible crimes against humanity syria killed between 4,000 and 40,000 = no one cares what dictatorships do democracy must always fight terrorisem with one hand tied behind its back, because its a democracy but if it fights with one hand behind its back, AND get accused for fighting at all while its enemies aren't, then whats the point
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2010-05-31, 09:51 | Link #7489 | |
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2010-05-31, 09:51 | Link #7490 | |
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It's hard to show sympathy for either side as a whole when you realize they'd both be equally willing to horribly mistreat each other if they were in a position of strength. |
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2010-05-31, 09:55 | Link #7491 | |||
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Israel bombed the fuck out of Gaza. Most of the damage they caused was deliberate and unecessary. I mean, what fucking threat does a Flour Mill or a Sewage treatment facility pose to Israel? Nothing and yet they bombed it. They need building material to rebuild Gaza, Israel refuses. If they think they are doing themselves any favours by keeping a seige on Gaza, they must be stupider than i thought. Quote:
Israel shows no regard at all for the lives of Palestinians. This is proven from when they assaulted the UN Complex inside Gaza, full of civilians. This is proven time and time again, with their heavy handed tactics against peaceful demonstrations. Compare their recations with how they deal with extremist settler groups who carry out violence against Palestinians, and even throw stones at soldiers. |
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2010-05-31, 09:55 | Link #7492 | |
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2010-05-31, 10:02 | Link #7493 | |
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This is one reason why I have a huge fucking respect for McChrystal in Afghanistan. He knows the warnings are going to reduce the number of leaders captured in Moshatrak, but he did it anyway to save 20,000 innocent lives (though those tribal idiots are dumb enough to charge two evac buses at a Marine checkpoint). If I were him, I could have ordered a B2 to drop a Daisy Cutter over the area and send in my infantry to pick up whatever is left. And this also comes to the point where a guy you shot is suffering hydrostatic shock. Put a couple of rounds through his head, don't be a carebear because he won't live past the next 15 minutes. Even if he did, he will be living in agony for the rest of his life because he lost one or two of his organs (that is the only way someone can live from a hydrostatic shock : he was shot through his stomach). There is nothing moral about keeping a living thing in emotional or mental agony for long periods - that is real cruelty. The application of mercy and restraint is hardly understood because most people in this world are just way too stupid to use something called logic. So yeah, generally speaking, it becomes something where democracy fighting terrorism becomes a scourge to its ownself.
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2010-05-31, 10:03 | Link #7494 | ||
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and FYI. The Official Israeli government policy on a Palestinian state " No Palestinian State west of the Jordan river" You can find it in their charter of the ruling Likud party.y Quote:
Having racists like their foreign Minister Avgor Lieberman doesn't do them any favours either. |
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and its an organisation who's stated reison detre is israel's destruction and YES, they DO try to stop rocket attacks ... now and its only because they know what happens when rockets get fired Quote:
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i'll take the words of an expert with actual combat experience over eyewitness accounts any day he also addressed the UN complex thing a civilian target, used for military purposes, is no a civilian target if hamas fires from a UN complex, then its not a civilian target Quote:
supposed you do that do you think its fair that people STILL accuse you if anyone does get hurt as a result ? because thats how things are today Quote:
the arab responded with the khartoum resolution that became known as the "three nos" no peace, no recognition, no negotiation with Israel see, i can play that game too besides, the arab proposal does not solve the matter of the refugees
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2010-05-31, 10:26 | Link #7496 | |
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Just like what I quoted to one of my friends back in the army when we are arguing the necessity of war and conflict : It doesn't matter what happens in war - we do our best to come back alive and get our mission done so more don't die as a result. If we die, too bad - after all, someone has to die in an armed conflict, and we can't do anything about it if the onus of death falls upon us. We can fight or cheat death, but if we can't, we have already done our best in doing so. Besides if we die, we don't have to worry about whether our lives are wasted or not, or whether our families are compensated for, right? You can't worry when you are dead. Then again, the existence of war and conflicts have proven that the human race is stupid despite our ability to think - every conflict is a reminder to that politicians cause wars for their own petty gains and thousands die for it.
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2010-05-31, 10:36 | Link #7497 |
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i don't know how to attach this video link, so i'll just attach the link http://news.nana10.co.il/Article/?ArticleID=722138 its a NV video recording taken from an israeli helicopter above the ship when it was boarded the video shows exactly what happened to israeli soldiers who boarded the ship (one gets thrown off a balcony, another gets attacked by a crowd with rods) its VERY clearly not a peaceful demonstration its an all out riot hope you get a sense of WHY shots ended up being fired
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2010-05-31, 10:47 | Link #7498 | |
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Israel has turned a plot of desert land into a civilization. Too bad the monkeys that surround them don't have the brains or strength to do the same. They'd rather rape, kill, slaughter others like they have been for centuries. |
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2010-05-31, 11:03 | Link #7500 | |||
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Well, do you know what happened after that was all shut down and World War II came to an end? The UN gave the Jews the land that they're currently on. They built it up. Then all of the Arab nations around Israel tried to come down on the newly-founded Israel in an event known as the Six Day War. Israel beat them back and took some land in the process. You know - just like every other country does when they defeat a nation that declared war on them. Since then Israel has given almost all of that land back to the Arabs. I have sympathy for the Palestinians, but I'm not really sure why they aren't doing more for themselves. If the land that they currently live on is inhospitable, move. They continue to cling to a hope and dream that they can destroy Israel and make Israel theirs. Aside from the fact that it's unrealistic, it only leads to further conflict. The governments of the world (most specifically Britain, I believe) designated the current land of Israel to be what it was. The Palestinians arguably had their land stolen from them, but it was not under the directive of the Jews. It's a tragedy, but just as the United States won't uproot its cities and massive populace to return land to the Native Americans, it's a little late to return land to the Palestinians. Time to move on. Quote:
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But here's the thing, and I don't think it should come as a surprise to you: Israel cares more for its own citizens than for the civilians of another country. And if your country were regularly coming under attack, I think you'd want your government to feel the same way. Ever been to Israel? You'll notice that their road signs often come with three languages printed: Hebrew, English, and Arabic. Pray tell, why on Earth would they have signs in Arabic if they were trying to 100% "Judaize" their country?
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