(L) Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru.

[RioFoxx]

Originally Posted by Excorsism

First time Yui actually tried to take advantage of Yukino there, or at least, that's my interpretation of it. But yes, it's painful. I won't mention how it put me in a depressed state yesterday that I couldn't translate anything. Oh wait, I just did.

Yeah, I agree. I was the same way yesterday. I watched that scene before subtitles...way...way too many times. It was brutal.

But yeah, just got subtitles, and I think something underplayed here, was the fact that Hikigaya was the one in this instance who turned down his former logic when nobody else would.

Contrast to pre-volume 9, Hikkigaya directly turned down the most "effective" method to "solving the problem." That is a massive, massive, massive step forward.

I hate seeing the way that Yukinoshita was that episode, but with subs, it's more understandable; I didn't originally understand that full frontal assault she received from Haruno. In front of her friends too. (IE: "Do you even have a self?")

But now that I get the full version of that ending, I'm generally confident in the direction of where this will go. Hikigaya also realized the image he put on the two girls at first appearance before getting to know them. Yukinoshita towards the end got some of her life back, and remembered Hikigaya's request, and remembered some of herself. It was painful seeing how much she didn't want that, but almost went along with it anyway, but the end was encouraging.

"Don't decide my feelings. Also, we also have your request, Hikigaya." <- I cheered so loud at that. Like Yukinon finally understands the identity of that genuine something.

Now we just need to hear about Yukinoshita's request. Please hurry, Watari. Please hurry.

Originally Posted by Zoman

Commie's episode 13 translation is up now. Oh Commie you jokester you.

Yeah, seems they waited until Horrible put theirs up too. >.> But did you see the opening edits? Now we know what they spent all the time on...

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by RioFoxx

Hmmm, possibly. I don't think I thought about it that way. I almost feel like it was a mixture in some ways.

I'm pretty sure Yui said how similar she was to Hayama in the previous episode. That, her wish for stagnation, and how she used the same line Hayama did on Hachiman ("I'm not as nice of a person as you think I am") are all ways Watari set up Yui to be a parallel to Hayama.


What I got from Yui's "request" was that she really wanted everything, from Hachiman's affection to Yukino's friendship as well. That's why she went out of her way to friendzone Hachiman and say those cookies were like giri choco, "just as thanks". Of course, Yukino clearly felt awkward about it, so Yui indirectly told her to go along with it, and eventually things (i.e. their friendship) will smooth over anyway. It was a selfish, Emiya Shirou-level request to protect everything, even though her own homemade cookies to Hachiman showed that deep down, she knew people have to change eventually. Like her cookies, she couldn't stay the same forever.


As for Yukino, despite her dependency issue and lack of direction, her desire to fulfill Hachiman's request shows that even she has something she wants. Of course, I don't think that something is a romantic relationship with Hachiman (go away shippers ) but she isn't as empty as Haruno makes her out to be. She does however still have to give Hachiman those chocolates...

Anyway, regardless of Yukino's request, I don't think it would be impossible for all three to have their requests fulfilled. Yukino takes a stand and solves her own family issues while staying in touch to Yui and Hachiman. By staying close friends, Yui gets her request fulfilled, and so does Hachiman. The only real trainwreck would have been if Yui and Yukino really were love rivals in Hachiman's harem, but thankfully that doesn't seem to be the case.

[RioFoxx]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

I'm pretty sure Yui said how similar she was to Hayama in the previous episode. That, her wish for stagnation, and how she used the same line Hayama did on Hachiman ("I'm not as nice of a person as you think I am") are all ways Watari set up Yui to be a parallel to Hayama.


What I got from Yui's "request" was that she really wanted everything, from Hachiman's affection to Yukino's friendship as well. That's why she went out of her way to friendzone Hachiman and say those cookies were like giri choco, "just as thanks". Of course, Yukino clearly felt awkward about it, so Yui indirectly told her to go along with it, and eventually things (i.e. their friendship) will smooth over anyway. It was a selfish, Emiya Shirou-level request to protect everything, even though her own homemade cookies to Hachiman showed that deep down, she knew people have to change eventually. Like her cookies, she couldn't stay the same forever.

Ah, no, I phrased that wrong. I didn't mean that I disagreed, I just meant that I literally hadn't thought about it in that matter.

Yeah, I think you're right, actually. "I want it all. I want to remain like this forever." was definitely a parallel to Hayama's group and the situation they faced before. Good catch, I was so focused on what happened to Yukino it shut down my detection a bit.

That makes the direction and methods used a bit easier to recognize. The scene was very interesting, and quite powerful.

Although I think the cookies bit in the last sentence might be looking just a tad too far, but I agree with you, definitely.

[AP24]

So the anime ended at vol 11's ending and vol 11 was just released few days ago.

It doesn't look like vol 12 is the last so there should be at least 2 more volumes. Depending on how much is left they might make the next anime only 10 episodes or an OVA series.

[theshade1]

Woah, what a cliff hanger ending..

So, did they just skirt around Yui's issue or are we meant to believe that she accepted 8man's "implied rejection"? Or is it just put on hold until next vol??

And yeah, I honestly can't see any ending besides- either loner ending or they all just remain good friends. If the next vol is the last, imo there isn't enough time to develop any romance stuff

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by theshade1

Woah, what a cliff hanger ending..

So, did they just skirt around Yui's issue or are we meant to believe that she accepted 8man's "implied rejection"? Or is it just put on hold until next vol??

Yui friendzoned Hachiman first. That's why she said her cookies were "just as thanks". Everyone knows full well how she feels about Hachiman, but she swallowed her own feelings because she knew from earlier that Yukino felt awkward about it and was giving them some space. She wants Hachiman, but she still wants Yukino's friendship as well.

Hachiman only rejected that stagnation.

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by theshade1

Woah, what a cliff hanger ending..

So, did they just skirt around Yui's issue or are we meant to believe that she accepted 8man's "implied rejection"? Or is it just put on hold until next vol??

And yeah, I honestly can't see any ending besides- either loner ending or they all just remain good friends. If the next vol is the last, imo there isn't enough time to develop any romance stuff

"Implied rejection"? If anything him interrupting Yukinon so she could solve her own issues is his way to keep her from friend zoning herself. The entire scene is him saving Yui from making a mistake by doing something that would hurt all three of them in the long run if Yukinon doesn't learn to handle her own business she'll never stop being dependent which in turn would burden Yui to always try to help her and thus not letting her properly go after 8man for fear of betraying Yukinon. It's a fucked situation and all three are socially retarded as fuck but this was the best way in the long run.

[Tormenk]

The most obvious(or obscure) point nobody thought about turned out to be important this volume because HIKKI IS COOKIEMAN.

The last five minutes were so loaded when linked to the past developments it's hard to get a good read on certain things. Yui being vague as hell didn't help but perhaps that might have been the intended effect to try and get Hikki and Yukino to spill their thoughts by filling in the blanks instead. Yui's cookies was analogous to her answer that she proposed to the club, being what she could come up with but still flawed in the end after trying her best. Her proposal does tie in nicely to her scene in 10.5 where she concluded she was being unfair, and would help Hikki the next time something came up. I guess Yui was a mix of being selfish and being encouraging when she was holding onto Yukino asking for her approval. Yukino's struggle was painfully great and Hikki was able to decide that if the "honest and correct" Yukino couldn't accept Yui's proposal, then it was wrong even if he was approving of it just a minute before.

There's definitely more to consider from what was left out from this volume but the endgame conclusion now lies squarely with Yukino. Only she can answer the double request of Hikki's "Can we be friends?" and "I want something genuine." now that it's been brought up twice for each and third time's the charm. Take responsibility now Yukino.

[Shadow5YA]

As for me, I personally disagree that Yui's suggestion at the end was the most painful moment.

For me, the most striking scene was in Yui's room when Yukino repeated Hachiman's rationale that she wasn't thinking properly and needed some time off to Haruno... verbatim. That was far more disturbing than anything Yui did, and it really drove the point home that she had a dependency issue.

[RioFoxx]

Originally Posted by Tormenk

There's definitely more to consider from what was left out from this volume but the endgame conclusion now lies squarely with Yukino. Only she can answer the double request of Hikki's "Can we be friends?" and "I want something genuine." now that it's been brought up twice for each and third time's the charm. Take responsibility now Yukino.

I'll admit, when Yukino finally made that strong step forward at the end, I got all teary-eyed, and was (as quietly as I could manage, people were sleep), cheering like a sporting event.

I was like, "Finally! Yes!!!"

I can't wait for the next volume. I want to see how this develops so badly. After seeing her almost breaking from the pressure/self-hopelessness, and going against herself, I want to see this step forward.

[csuree]

damm.. that opening edit from commie...... LOL

[SuitUp]

So now everyone knows where the other stands, feelings are out there, even if not entirely in the open, but right now it's not even a matter of shipping, it's goddamn canon that both girls harbor the same romantic affections for Hikki, even if one or all three of them are still too emotionally stunted to actually make sense of it...
Yukinon finally sees the light at the end of a reallyyyy dark and long tunnel, I hope she crosses it in it's entirety and things don't end in half measures or loner endings... I want a goddamn final conclution damn it...
Also, goddamn Commie, all that time waiting for subs (even if they are shitty, their version is the only one that other people encode to 720p in mp4 compatible with a tv ) and they were doing that to the goddamn OP

[csuree]

I have so many thoughts about that conversation at the end. Yui knowing the answer to Yukinoshita's problem is just surprising....
Her Hayama quote (I'm not the nice girl you make me out to be.) is the perfect contrast. Hayato did not help Yukinoshita when needed, but Yui would have taken that step if 8man did not stop her. He was also right and said the same things I said: She should solve her own problems. The battle is still on....And in my opinion Yui just did a declaration of war, that was not giving up on her own romantic feelings but the opposite: "she wants it all" both his love and her friendship, by asking, if the battle is still on with the "ordering the loser to whatever they want" reward.

Seems like it will be interesting since Hachiman predicted he will be alone in the end, but he will be wrong there. So many people care for him it is just unthinkable that he will fade away from sight. Yukino, Yui, Hayama, Ebina, Tobe, Miura, Kawasaki, even Hiratsuka-sensei and Isshiki know that he is a good person and they will not let him go like that. I am certain of it.

I got so many more speculations but they are too far fetched and only what I wrote seem plausible at the moment.

[theshade1]

I wouldn't say their feelings are out in the open per se. Yui is the only one who likes Hikki and fully knows that she does.

Yukino likes him as well (very likely), but doesn't realise it and we don't know what 8man feels.

Knowing she is the only one who's sure of her feelings, allowed Yui to do and say what she did this episode.

[MacMeaties]

I think what Yukino needs more than anything it to throw a HUGE wobbler.

- Yukimom is telling her the person she should be.
- Haruno is telling her the person she doesn't want her to be.

The fact that she has no idea how to conduct herself or who she really is isn't surprising and she needs one hell of a "Reason You Suck" rant at the both of them.

And now Yui. Yui was trying to dictate to her what she can and can't have and, if it wasn't for Hachiman, she would have done so.

I want to see her completely blow her top and get furious. It would be a very satisfying way for her to show she is no longer trying to please everyone at any rate lol.

[Starlightz]

Originally Posted by theshade1

So, did they just skirt around Yui's issue or are we meant to believe that she accepted 8man's "implied rejection"? Or is it just put on hold until next vol??

And yeah, I honestly can't see any ending besides- either loner ending or they all just remain good friends. If the next vol is the last, imo there isn't enough time to develop any romance stuff

Which Yui's issue did you mean? If it's her proposal and 8man's "implied rejection", then in my opinion, the rejection was something she expected / wanted when she made that proposal at first place.

Now, it's only my opinion and I'm aware that there are at least 3 different ways to interpret that scene (that I've seen so far), but from the novel spoilers posted before and the scene in the anime, I believe that Yui didn't make her let's-stay-friends-forever-regardless-sequences-of-what-we-say/think expecting it would pass. Essentially, that will lead to something similar to the situation after the StuCo Election arc, and being as social adept as Yui, I doubt she would make the mistake of telling 8man/Yukino to do that again.
I agree with the theory that Yui was pulling a 8man act, made that proposal, fully knowing it wouldn't fly, in order to provoke Yukino and 8man to speak out their minds since she knows that proposal is something the two would hate - which is why she take 8man "rejection" well and she didn't seem too happy when Yukino was going to agree with her proposal due to pressure or whatever it was. After all, if Yukino doesn't address her issue and they continue with the stagnancy, it's unlikely Yui's best ending would be possible (get 8man's love while still keep Yukinon's friendship).
In the end, the result was good: Yukinon stepped up and said her request - probably the first step to get out of her dependency issue and realize her feelings for 8man; 8man told them both to go ahead and find their answer(s), even if there might be hardship instead of faking it. There isn't anything to be unhappy with that.

So... yeah, Yui might have accepted 8man's rejection of her proposal because she was expecting / hoping for it all along. If by "implied rejection" you meant a rejection of love instead of her proposal, then I don't see it as such. I'm not quite sure what you meant about "Yui's issue", though.

I think they can pull of an ending next volume, since there are only a few issues left - Yukinon's confidence / dependency and family issue (can be bundled into one), 8man's desire for the genuine thing, and the romantic between the three (which seems to align with / foreshadowed by the three's words in 8man's monologue in vol 9 "Yukinoshita Yukino’s held beliefs. Yuigahama Yui’s sought relationship. Hikigaya Hachiman’s desired genuine thing."). Other than Yukinon's, there are things related to the 2 later issues in previous volumes, so if Watari want it, he can finish these two within 2-3 chapters regardless who win the 8bowl in the end. All the dating / romantic stuff after the final result can be put in another side story / extra story later. I agree that one more volume will be better than ending at vol. 12, though (so vol. 12 = fixing Yukinon's issues, vol 13 = fixing Hachiman's issue and addressing his request, together with tying up the romantic plot).

[Triok123]

i'm the only one though of " she doesn't stand chance against me" when haruno said "we never fought"?

[Shadow5YA]

by the way, does anyone remember what contest Yui was talking about before? I think it was something during their cooking session, but I'm not sure.

[SomeChineseGuy]

Originally Posted by Triok123

i'm the only one though of " she doesn't stand chance against me" when haruno said "we never fought"?

Yeppp. That and probably "I always shut her up".

by the way, does anyone remember what contest Yui was talking about before? I think it was something during their cooking session, but I'm not sure.

She's talking about Sensei's battle royale. She does know about it as of Volume 8.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Excorsism

First time Yui actually tried to take advantage of Yukino there, or at least, that's my interpretation of it. But yes, it's painful. I won't mention how it put me in a depressed state yesterday that I couldn't translate anything. Oh wait, I just did.

I don't think it's really fair to say that, since Yui did expect Hachiman to come in with the real solution.

Even Yui is aware of Yukino's dependency issues after Yukino repeated Hachiman's suggestion word for word on the phone, so it doesn't make sense that she would solve dependency with more dependency.