(L) Boku no Hero Academia

[Gundamx]

Originally Posted by dragon1412

it's scare me how Stain is actually more heroic than Endeavor

Because Endeavor still follow the society rules?
(And never break them in day light without lawyer)

Endeavor is smart villain(dark hero) .
(stealing bank for money = stupid, catching villains for money = smart )

[Somethindarker]

Stein is a fucking psychopath and a complete hypocrite. "Save this guy I'm trying to kill but don't hate me for it or crippling your brother" Does he hear himself? All that talk about correcting the hero system and he straight up murders innocent heroes who are just doing their job. It's like that serial killer a few years back in Washington he was "purging" the unclean and perverse but then when he got arrested turned out he was just an unemployed sex offender and the other was a criminal. This guy reminds me of Garou from OPM he has this idealized thought of being a hero so he becomes a villain because it's easier than actually working hard to achieve his goals. He has no right to talk about ethics when he himself isn't willing to follow his own advice. He's got a killer design though so there's that.

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by dragon1412

it's scare me how Stain is actually more heroic than Endeavor

I won't say that he is more heroic than Endeavor, but the writer certainly made him an interesting villain for this arc. When he made his first appearance, he is just look generic villain to me, but now he grew on me. I am now interested to learn about his past.

[Somethindarker]

@noobita
I do find him interesting his powers, his ideals and his look but I don't find him to be heroic at all. Heroes are supposed to represent the best of human ideals and society , sure some heroes are in it for the money but they're more like rockstars or celebrities. Stein reminds me of the Joker or Bane he talks a big game but when you break it down they're just oppressing people with their own distorted world views and using their pretty words as a pretense to do what they want. Stein is just a self righteous villain who happens to prey on heroes instead of civilians but if you look at it objectively even ISIS and the Westboro Baptist Church say some good things sometimes, doesn't change the fact they're narcissistic psychopaths with savior complexes.

[Slayerx]

Originally Posted by Somethindarker

Stein is a fucking psychopath and a complete hypocrite. "Save this guy I'm trying to kill but don't hate me for it or crippling your brother" Does he hear himself? All that talk about correcting the hero system and he straight up murders innocent heroes who are just doing their job... He has no right to talk about ethics when he himself isn't willing to follow his own advice. He's got a killer design though so there's that.

Nothing hypocritical about it. As far as Stein is concerned the only people who should wear the mantle of "hero" are true heroes; That is his creed. Stein is no hero and he does not call himself one. He knows he's he's a villain, he knows what he's doing is criminal, but he sees it as means to an end; He believes he needs to be a villain to do what must be done... and he will eliminate those he sees as fake heroes because they are not true heroes. Heck if these heroes wanted a job, they could have joined the police force but they chose to be heroes instead... and many of them put their own personal needs and desires before the people they are supposed to protect. A true hero is someone who is selfless who always thinks of the needs of others before their own... Stein believes he can make the world better by reforming the world of heroes, and he puts that desire for a better world before himself

Ilda is actually not being a good hero right now. He's not fighting Stein to protect the innocent, he's just doing it because he's angry and beating up Stein will make him feel better. Ilda is being completely selfish right now as evidenced by the fact that he didn't even notice that, right in front of him, there was someone in need of rescue... If Ilda was a true hero he would have prioritized saving the life of that other hero first... he would not be fighting Stein out of a personal grudge, but simply because its the right thing to do

Is Stein a psychopath? Ya, his methods are messed up. But he's got some solid beliefs to motivate him

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by Slayerx

Nothing hypocritical about it. As far as Stein is concerned the only people who should wear the mantle of "hero" are true heroes; That is his creed. Stein is no hero and he does not call himself one. He knows he's he's a villain, he knows what he's doing is criminal, but he sees it as means to an end; He believes he needs to be a villain to do what must be done... and he will eliminate those he sees as fake heroes because they are not true heroes. Heck if these heroes wanted a job, they could have joined the police force but they chose to be heroes instead... and many of them put their own personal needs and desires before the people they are supposed to protect. A true hero is someone who is selfless who always thinks of the needs of others before their own... Stein believes he can make the world better by reforming the world of heroes, and he puts that desire for a better world before himself

Ilda is actually being a really bad hero right now. He's not fighting Stein to protect the innocent, he's just doing it because he's angry and beating up Stein will make him feel better. Ilda is being completely selfish right now as evidenced by the fact that he didn't even notice that, right in front of him, there was someone in need of rescue... If Ilda was a true hero he would have prioritized saving the life of that other hero first... he would not be fighting Stein out of a personal grudge, but simply because its the right thing to do

Is Stein a psychopath? Ya, his methods are messed up. But he's got some solid beliefs to motivate him

But. Who is HE to tell heroes what to strive for? That's hypocrisy in it's purest form. He straight up cripples and kills heroes all the while talking about rebuilding the hero system. How does he know what a true hero should behave like when he himself is acting like a close minded child who thinks a few bad apples represent the entire system. It's like the idiots who see on the news about some random crazy Jihadist who blows himself up or a random black guy kills some white guy/girl and automatically assume "Oh all Arabs are terrorists and blacks are nothing but criminals" that's flawed thinking no matter his ideals. That's what Stein looks like to me we've gotten to know at least 10 heroes in their world fairly well and so far 8 of 10 aren't like he describes. Then in the previous panels you see many heroes straight up fighting Noumu's to the death protecting civilians he sees the world in black and white instead of grey which, in my opinion, is fucking stupid. At first I fell for his pretty words and righteous beliefs but then I actually thought about it and figured he's full of shit, so far, I need to know more about him though(and the hero system) before I can change my mind.

[marvelB]

Y'know, this is feeling a lot like the opposite of that Bakugou argument from a while back. Whereas then we had people complaining about a hero-in-training who gave potential villain vibes, now we're debating over the clear-cut villain who's giving lectures on what makes a "proper" hero. Are we gonna need an evil version of Best Jeanist to give these villains a crash course on the "correct" conduct of an evildoer?

[Slayerx]

Originally Posted by Somethindarker

But. Who is HE to tell heroes what to strive for? That's hypocrisy in it's purest form. He straight up cripples and kills heroes all the while talking about rebuilding the hero system. How does he know what a true hero should behave like when he himself is acting like a close minded child who thinks a few bad apples represent the entire system.

One does need to BE a good hero to know how one should behave. He knows what makes for a good hero, he just chose not to live that life himself because he does not believe he can change the world by simply being a good hero

It's like the idiots who see on the news about some random crazy Jihadist who blows himself up or a random black guy kills some white guy/girl and automatically assume "Oh all Arabs are terrorists and blacks are nothing but criminals" that's flawed thinking no matter his ideals. That's what Stein looks like to me we've gotten to know at least 10 heroes in their world fairly well and so far 8 of 10 aren't like he describes. Then in the previous panels you see many heroes straight up fighting Noumu's to the death protecting civilians he sees the world in black and white instead of grey which, in my opinion, is fucking stupid. At first I fell for his pretty words and righteous beliefs but then I actually thought about it and figured he's full of shit, so far, I need to know more about him though(and the hero system) before I can change my mind.

First, So far there is nothing that really suggests that he is targeting heroes indiscriminately and thus may not at all be claiming that "all heroes are bad because of a few bad apples"...

Second, how wide spread is the problem of fake heroes really? How well do we really know the average hero... I mean heck most of us probably thought that Ilda would make for a fine hero, but Stein pointed out quite perfectly the flaw's in his outlook. You could say that the true nature of a hero is revealed when they are under duress, and not in how they act day to day. Sometimes the flaws can be hard to see. And what of other heros? Endeavor is self explanatory. Mount Lady seems like a nice person, but we know that she's in the hero game for the fame. Best Jeanist; does he really know what makes for a good hero, or is he more concerned with a hero's attitude? That Snake lady? She seemed more concerned with her appeal and commercial endorsement.

Most of the heroes we have seen are specifically teachers; as in people who DON'T actually engage in regular hero work anymore. Do they represent the common hero or did they become teachers because they are the exception?

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by marvelB

Y'know, this is feeling a lot like the opposite of that Bakugou argument from a while back. Whereas then we had people complaining about a hero-in-training who gave potential villain vibes, now we're debating over the clear-cut villain who's giving lectures on what makes a "proper" hero. Are we gonna need an evil version of Best Jeanist to give these villains a crash course on the "correct" conduct of an evildoer?

Can't wait to see evil HERO give a lecture to villains.

Evil HERO: YOU GUYS CALL YOURSELF VILLAIN? *bitchslap*
Villain: I will kill YOU!!!!
Evil HERO: Huh what? Instead of killing me, you should've kill them *pointing at unconscious civilians*
Villains: That...that..just low...plus I just want to rob them, not taking their life.
Evil HERO: AHHHHH? Don't want to take their life? OH please, you guys are villain, worrying about those civilians are the last thing you to do. *stepping on the villain's head*
Villain: YOU..MONSTER!
Evil HERO: Here is the word of advice, next time, you should lure your victim away from the place that have CCTV, and if you do, you should quickly cut their throats before they can scream, and then take their stuffs. Plan your escape route helps too.

[ShadowSamurai365]

Originally Posted by Slayerx

One does need to BE a good hero to know how one should behave. He knows what makes for a good hero, he just chose not to live that life himself because he does not believe he can change the world by simply being a good hero



First, So far there is nothing that really suggests that he is targeting heroes indiscriminately and thus may not at all be claiming that "all heroes are bad because of a few bad apples"...

Second, how wide spread is the problem of fake heroes really? How well do we really know the average hero... I mean heck most of us probably thought that Ilda would make for a fine hero, but Stein pointed out quite perfectly the flaw's in his outlook. You could say that the true nature of a hero is revealed when they are under duress, and not in how they act day to day. Sometimes the flaws can be hard to see. And what of other heros? Endeavor is self explanatory. Mount Lady seems like a nice person, but we know that she's in the hero game for the fame. Best Jeanist; does he really know what makes for a good hero, or is he more concerned with a hero's attitude? That Snake lady? She seemed more concerned with her appeal and commercial endorsement.

Most of the heroes we have seen are specifically teachers; as in people who DON'T actually engage in regular hero work anymore. Do they represent the common hero or did they become teachers because they are the exception?

Now that you've mentioned it, wasn't there a past chapter of All Might explaining to Deku why he chooses him? It was something explaining about how Deku showed something that the other heroes (that was in the incident) didn't have (unless I'm misremembering things).

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Slayerx

One does need to BE a good hero to know how one should behave. He knows what makes for a good hero, he just chose not to live that life himself because he does not believe he can change the world by simply being a good hero



First, So far there is nothing that really suggests that he is targeting heroes indiscriminately and thus may not at all be claiming that "all heroes are bad because of a few bad apples"...

Second, how wide spread is the problem of fake heroes really? How well do we really know the average hero... I mean heck most of us probably thought that Ilda would make for a fine hero, but Stein pointed out quite perfectly the flaw's in his outlook. You could say that the true nature of a hero is revealed when they are under duress, and not in how they act day to day. Sometimes the flaws can be hard to see. And what of other heros? Endeavor is self explanatory. Mount Lady seems like a nice person, but we know that she's in the hero game for the fame. Best Jeanist; does he really know what makes for a good hero, or is he more concerned with a hero's attitude? That Snake lady? She seemed more concerned with her appeal and commercial endorsement.

Most of the heroes we have seen are specifically teachers; as in people who DON'T actually engage in regular hero work anymore. Do they represent the common hero or did they become teachers because they are the exception?

But does a hero really have to be completely selfless? Well, the very best, the ones most deserving of admiration... maybe. But for the most part, as long as they do their jobs and don't abuse their positions and the trust put in them, isn't it fine?

It does mean the word "Hero" had its meaning altered. It's now a job that's part law enforcement, part entertainer. But that sort of semantic shift happens all the time. It's not worth stabbing people over.

[al103]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

But does a hero really have to be completely selfless?

Problem is not selflessness. Problem is halfassing on the job. After Stain's visits local heroes are more effective despite losses. Because they actually start doing they job properly or drop out and don't hog finances/calls for help/whatever any more from proper heroes. And I can believe that as we were shown "meh whatever" stance of "heroes". Essentially he gives heroes and "heroes" reality check.

PS. It's kinda sad when bunch of trainees have better grip on reality after "kill All Might" fiasco than like half of "proper" "heroes".

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by al103

Problem is not selflessness. Problem is halfassing on the job. After Stain's visits local heroes are more effective despite losses. Because they actually start doing they job properly or drop out and don't hog finances/calls for help/whatever any more from proper heroes. And I can believe that as we were shown "meh whatever" stance of "heroes". Essentially he gives heroes and "heroes" reality check.

Indeed. We all saw how the Snake Heroine cares more about the commercial that she was working for instead of teaching the students about heroic thing in chapter 48, and the Mountain Girl who cares more about her reputation and fame in earlier chapters. And that is why Stain seems obliged to "correct" the hero world.

By the way, how many % of the populations that have the super-power? It would be extremely awkward is the majority of the populations have the super power but chose to live as a helpless civilians.

[dragon1412]

Originally Posted by noobita

By the way, how many % of the populations that have the super-power? It would be extremely awkward is the majority of the populations have the super power but chose to live as a helpless civilians.

according to chapter 1 and All might talk with Deku, seem like it's actually pretty rare to be quirkless in All Might day and even more so in Deku. So i'd guess about 95% perharps.

I think that's it's because not all power is suited for hero, i mean, just look at the tape guy.

[Waxman]

I think that @Somethindarker is mostly correct, Stein may actually delude himself and believe what he said but his methods and logic are flawed.
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But what his ideals like the best lies contain enough truth to sound comnvincing specially after we saw how Endeavor treated his family.
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The things is that heroes have power beyond their kirks and in some cases they even abuse that power but that's something that comes with beig human.
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The house may need a thorough cleaning but you don't need to burn it to the ground to do ir.

[al103]

Originally Posted by Waxman

I think that @Somethindarker is mostly correct, Stein may actually delude himself and believe what he said but his methods and logic are flawed.

Main problem...
what really pissed off Hand-Face in action...
his methods and logic are actually working and provide success.

Which is sad. Not even because of said methods, but because it speaks so much about "Hero" community. Were "heroes" less conceited, self-important and would they half-assing they job less his methods wouldn't worked - but they are.

[dragon1412]

Originally Posted by Waxman

I think that @Somethindarker is mostly correct, Stein may actually delude himself and believe what he said but his methods and logic are flawed.
.
But what his ideals like the best lies contain enough truth to sound comnvincing specially after we saw how Endeavor treated his family.
.
The things is that heroes have power beyond their kirks and in some cases they even abuse that power but that's something that comes with beig human.
.
The house may need a thorough cleaning but you don't need to burn it to the ground to do ir.

i will be borrowing something from TAMNI here sin this is what Stain is doing

Originally Posted by accelerator

“Interesting. Then let’s put you to the test, heroes. I’ll use these bloody hands to see if you are worthy of that name!!”

there is no problem whatsoever with trying to make yourself a more comfortable lives, but by being one, they have to bear the responsibility accompanied that name. And Stain make them realized that responsibility. "Heroes" is not a term for a job where people who trying to save other, but it is that people trying to save other that they are called heroes. TAMNI again here

Originally Posted by this is about the fake heroes but their ideal is still better than those professional

That shout may have not have reached anyone’s ears. It was just one of the screams buried in the darkness. The people of the city may have ignored it and went on their way as they pursued their personal problems.

But…

“…”

Someone raised their head somewhere in the city.

“…”

Someone frowned in a different part of the city.

“…”

Even in different districts where Fremea’s voice could never have reached, many people stood up.

A certain term may have fit that type of person perfectly:

Hero.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by al103

Problem is not selflessness. Problem is halfassing on the job. After Stain's visits local heroes are more effective despite losses. Because they actually start doing they job properly or drop out and don't hog finances/calls for help/whatever any more from proper heroes. And I can believe that as we were shown "meh whatever" stance of "heroes". Essentially he gives heroes and "heroes" reality check.

PS. It's kinda sad when bunch of trainees have better grip on reality after "kill All Might" fiasco than like half of "proper" "heroes".

They're doing better because they're in a state of higher alert. A state which isn't sustainable in the long term. It's like having a terrorist shoot up a school and run away. Sure, for a bit, the police will spare no effort. But eventually they'll catch him and routine will reassert itself.

You can't even say they're normally half-assing it. There's just so much one can do without burning out.

And for that matter... Do you know how many people just put in normal effort for their jobs? Most of them.

Originally Posted by dragon1412

i will be borrowing something from TAMNI here sin this is what Stain is doing

there is no problem whatsoever with trying to make yourself a more comfortable lives, but by being one, they have to bear the responsibility accompanied that name. And Stain make them realized that responsibility. "Heroes" is not a term for a job where people who trying to save other, but it is that people trying to save other that they are called heroes. TAMNI again here

Those guys ended up fighting each other for the privilege of "saving" Fremea. How are they better?

[Slayerx]

Originally Posted by ShadowSamurai365

Now that you've mentioned it, wasn't there a past chapter of All Might explaining to Deku why he chooses him? It was something explaining about how Deku showed something that the other heroes (that was in the incident) didn't have (unless I'm misremembering things).

Ya that was in the first chapter... i thought about mentioning it, but i thought some of their inaction might be excusable; i mean if you literally can't do anything to help then trying to help would just be throwing yourself in harms way... granted the wood guy seemed like he just wanted to avoid having to deal with fire; sure its an understandable danger for him, but a good hero should be willing to take those risks

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

But does a hero really have to be completely selfless? Well, the very best, the ones most deserving of admiration... maybe. But for the most part, as long as they do their jobs and don't abuse their positions and the trust put in them, isn't it fine?

It does mean the word "Hero" had its meaning altered. It's not a job that's part law enforcement, part entertainer. But that sort of semantic shift happens all the time. It's not worth stabbing people over.

Well it kind of comes down to what you think a hero should be. The world seems to treat being a hero just like any other job; its one part cop, and one part celebrity and the person's individual mentality isn't really all that important so long as they get some work done. Stein however seems to hold heroes to a much higher standard. For him, its not just a job, but something much more; ONLY the very best heroes deserve the title and every hero should strive to live up to those high standards.... the rest should either join the police, or get a job as an entertainer.

One could argue how having low standards for heroes can make their work less efficient. I mean, if a hero is more concerned with their popularity, or the money they make then they might half-ass their hero work. If they think too much about themselves they may let their emotions drive them and get in the way of what they should be doing. If a hero is watching a baseball game, then that's one less hero on the streets protecting anyone whose life might be in danger. And these heroes do act as role models for those that follow; I mean would you want your kid having Endeavor as a role model? And those that get into the hero game may be doing it for the wrong reasons... One could say that if every hero tried to live up to the standards set by those like All Might, the world might be a safer place.

Originally Posted by noobita

By the way, how many % of the populations that have the super-power? It would be extremely awkward is the majority of the populations have the super power but chose to live as a helpless civilians.

The percentage is at about 80%, but two things to keep in mind... First, asking why people chose to live as civilians rather than heros is like asking why do most people IRL chose to live as civilians instead of as cops. The reasoning is more or less the same. Second, just because you have a quirk does not mean its very useful for fighting. Deku's mom for instance had the power to levitate small objects; useful around the house, not so much fighting criminals. One person might have a really long neck, another might have a third eye, another could have steal-like teeth, etc.

Granted one thing i would like to see as a simple aesthetic is seeing more quirks when we see crowds of people and bystandards... like when we see some people they'll just happen to be a guy with horns, or a guy who looks like a lizard, or a woman with rabbit ears; maybe in the background we might see someone heating up his drink with fire breath... y'know little things just to remind us that this is a world were most people have some kind of super power.

[dragon1412]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Those guys ended up fighting each other for the privilege of "saving" Fremea. How are they better?

like i said, i do not talking about what the fake heroes do, i'm talking about the definition of one. A hero in BokuAcademy is more of job, and to be honest, if they themself are commissioned police officer then nothing would change, they deviate themself from the meaning of "hero" just like Stain said. It's not that it's because they work as a hero so they save people. It is precisely because they save people that people hailed them as heroes.