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Perfect 10 | 12 | 16.22% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 18 | 24.32% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 16 | 21.62% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 9 | 12.16% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 5 | 6.76% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 7 | 9.46% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 1.35% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 1.35% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 5 | 6.76% | |
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2011-11-09, 18:28 | Link #761 | ||
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It doesn't matter at all if the action is complex or not,it's still very possible that they can do it without any problem.....even if they have no idea why they are able to do it. The same can be said for comportamental habits,patients often keep their habits even if they don't know the reason behind them. In conclusion,like i have already said,there is nothing really that strange for Histy to know how to perform perfectly her "special move" or Cassy refusing to use her strange fighting style. That's something true even in real world so there is no reason to find strange reasons for something that is not strange at all. @Nixl Quote:
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2011-11-09, 18:41 | Link #762 |
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Haven't read any fanfic since I wrote them ages ago (and never of Claymore)... well not quite true read bits of Revans stuff but only since he pestered me so much and told me half the plot already I figured why not... then promptly remembered why I stop reading/writing fanfic (since in the best case it makes me disappointed when some stuff in it never happens in the real series, and in the worst case is just plan awful)
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2011-11-09, 20:48 | Link #763 | |
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Clare is the main character of this manga, just take the ymo out of Claymore to get a giant clue that that is the case. If one thinks that this happens by sheer coincidence because things get lost in translation then take the original Japanese title and do something similar:
Claymore means: クレイモア; and Clare means クレア. So クレイモア - イモ = クレア. Other clues are that the story is mainly centered on her; that she and Raki bring into the story the romantic element that many might find appealing; and like I said yesterday, she’s been featured on more covers than any other character. But is she the reason as to why I’m hooked into Claymore? The answer is no, and I would not be here if I had pick up the story from chapter 1 as I found it very monothematic. And because it had all the traits that made me quit watching series like this one. Lucky enough my first glimpse was at Pieta while they were fighting awakened ones (the anime version). But now that I have been through the manga, I just love it (and think it is way better than the anime), but for the same reasons that I picked up the anime, and that is for the diversity of its characters and the complexity of its story. Mr. Yagi has borrowed a play from Akira Kurosawa’s playbook (one of the greatest storytellers in history) and has given life to huge scenarios without compromising the details of his many characters. I love characters like “retarded” Helen, because of her wide array of emotions that makes her so real. It’s true that she needs a 24 hour bodyguard (Deneve) by her side just to keep her out of trouble, but her goofy remarks, the profound sense of friendship she is never shy to exhibit towards whom she loves and respects and her impulsive behavior is what brings spice into Claymore, in my opinion, not the standard hero type behavior or power levels that are recycled on other characters. That’s the reason I stand by her side no matter what. I’m sure that any Clare or Miria fans think the same way and will stand by their sides even if they pulled an airbus out of their asses. Quote:
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2011-11-09, 21:05 | Link #764 | ||
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I do love Helen and Deneve . They are both great characters.
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2011-11-09, 21:17 | Link #765 | |
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Hypnotism is just a useless theory since what you belive it's something strange it's actually something that can happen (quite often too) normally with patiences that have memory loss. You think it's strange for them to be able to do things that they shouldn't be able to do without their memories and you also think it's strange for those patience to keep behaviours connected to something that they don't remember at all.....well,the only reason you think like that is because you are not very informed on the matter since actually both those things are 100% normal for patiences in that situation (memory loss). Example: If a mathematician completely loses his memories about his life,it's still quite probable that he would be able to solve very complex equations even if he has absolutely no idea why he can do it (since he has no memories about his study). |
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2011-11-09, 21:29 | Link #766 | |
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Characters like Helen are not easy to develop in my opinion, if you think about it, there are very few examples that come close to her personality; Raki (the new one) comes close. Other character personalities like clare’s, galatea’s (before she became a nun), and even Miria’s and many many more are very alike and easy to portraid, they are aloof, a bit self reliant, and kinda lone wolfs like Malak said the other day ( in that we agree! hehehe), to me that sort of stereotype comes a dime a dozen. And clare is really very pretty indeed, and she has her moments, but she has this snarky kind of humor, so I think that humor is not really her forte.
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2011-11-09, 21:35 | Link #767 |
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And also wonder as to why does Cassandra doesn't just use her technique right away, why does she kept the memory of ppl being frightened by her figthing style? Why not just go and hack, hack hack.
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2011-11-09, 21:48 | Link #768 | |
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It's 100% normal for Cassy to not use her strange fighting style 'cause she associates that fighting style with a negative feeling even if she has absolutely no idea why she has that negative feeling (since she doesn't remember her life). That happens 'cause even if she doesn't remember the actual facts that caused that negative association, she still keep that negative association anyway. The reason you don't understand this is probably 'cause you think that our brain collect memories simply in a "linear" way (like a movie,more or less)......the problem is that actually human memory is A LOT more complex than that,that's why all those things that you belive are strange it's really what can happen even in real life with people that suffer from memory loss. |
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2011-11-09, 21:53 | Link #769 | ||
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2011-11-09, 22:17 | Link #770 |
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Thanks for the info Falcor! as I understood Implicit Memory is something a bit like inception (the movie), basic ideas ( the roor of an idea)?
Malak what about the negative feeling that didn't surface for hurting other claymores, I'm sure if she was told that a rebellion was taking place she could have sensed that that was not the case, or at least she would have asked questions, "why do you guys rebel agains the organization?" I uderstand what you say, but its just too convenient for the organization the way they behaved, I sense that Dae is behind this. I also saw a show in discovery channel about the brain, and they showed this guy performing hypnosis on a woman. He told her forget the nuber 4. And after, she opened her eyes and was asked to count to 10 and she skiped 4 so casually, several times, she even counted eleven with her fingers. It's not so crazy that they are under some sort of post hypnotic suggestion. |
2011-11-09, 22:26 | Link #771 | ||
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Anyway that link explains very clearly some aspects of what i was saying,the only thing left out is the part about "emotional memory" but basically it's almost the same concept: emotions are connected both to implicit and explicit memory,and can also be stored ASSOCIATIONS between emotions and particular situations,so even if Cassy doesn't remember why she doesn't want to use her fighting style in front of others, she probably keeps the association between that situation and a negative feeling. In other words Cassy's and Histy's behaviour are 100% normal for people that suffer from memory loss. Quote:
Also note that it seems that Cassy and Histy haven't really losy completely their memory: they know that they were claymores of the organization (not sure Cassy remember this from the very beginning or only before awakening),so it's not so absurd for them to follow the mibs orders,especially if heir minds are very confused. Last edited by MalakTawus; 2011-11-09 at 22:42. |
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2011-11-09, 22:58 | Link #772 | |
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When I say hypnosis I don't mean the guy with a cristal thingy in fron of them saying "you must obey my commands", but some sort of machine plugged directly into their brains, I don't know, something crazy we haven't seen yet. Yes I agree that they havent lost all their memories But as the mib gave them orders, could they just star asking questions like hey who are you? what em I doing here? and have attaccked or rebeled? Specially if cassandra does not remember, as you say, that she was a claymore? I mean why take the rist why not just use a super brainwashing machine?
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2011-11-09, 23:36 | Link #773 |
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Actually it depends on the type of memory lose what gets effected but as stated above Implicit Memory is clearly what has been effected. Though to simplify things () they clearly have Retrograde amnesia (inability to recall past events... the other 2 types are the inability to form new memories (Anterograde amnesia) or both ( transient global amnesia)) and it is typically caused due from injury, traumatic events, or disease (I think being butchered to death in both Cassandra (more so to our knowledge due to the head wounds we know she recieved) and Hysteria's cases makes then qualify for potentially having this since I can only imagine what took her down after her fight with Miria, the causes technical name is Traumatic brain injury (TBI), also known as post-traumatic amnesia (side note for Priscilla the cause is clearly Dissociative amnesia due to a Repressed memory)). Roxanne with her intact memories is just our mystery girl... now I'm really wondering how she died... really want to know
Quick sum up amnesia is classified into 3 states (lose of past, inability to form new memories, and both simultaneously),then there are over a dozen different types/causes of amnesia. for more basic info: Amnesia Now the post-traumatic amnesia is also most likely what they have since the main things they forget is autobiographical information and it appears to have been short term immediately after their injury (at least from there brains pov, since it's unaware of all the years that have passed since there deaths ). However Retrograde amnesia has varying degrees of effect, for example the victim could lose only some memories close to the event and more distant memories could remain yet more extreme whom he/she is (which is the case here and common enough with post-traumatic amnesia being the cause). Now due to Yoki healing them they have amnesia from injury to the brain due to... death () and they seem to have healed insanely quick, but lets ignore that for such total memory loss. Normally, there is a very gradual recovery, however, a dense period of amnesia immediately preceding the trauma usually persists, though it's possible for a spontaneous recovery to happen (like with Cassandra, though the causes for her spontaneous recovery where way more Hollywood than fact, since its usually caused by endless repetition of one habit over another and then a period of doing nothing after that) though it is way more common in other forms of amnesia. But who knows maybe Raftela's effecting her mind/vision triggered an "electroshock" type effect (now called Electroconvulsive therapy). The real issue is that they have post-traumatic amnesia but can still form new memories, though this does occur often enough it's not the trademark of the amnesia where most are suffering from a concussion like effect where they can't think straight or recall anything later (though sometimes the inability to form new memories occurs the next day or not at all). Lets just chalk that up to yoki, Dae healing there brain enough to notice the present but not enough to recall the past to get them battle ready before sending them out since they didn't need to know there pasts if they where just going to awaken and be bait for Priscilla, and/or bad plot element for in the middle of a war thus explaining why they haven't suffered that. Edit: Wow, I kept that shorter than I thought I would...
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2011-11-10, 00:02 | Link #774 |
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I think I forgot a small detail in my theory, and that is, that if the organization has some sort of hypnotic technique, or braiwashing machine, why not use it on all of their warriors? whoopsy :P. Wouldn't it be better to have them forget stuff constantly so that they won't rebel?
You guys make a lot of sense, I guess that if nothing is mentioned in comming issues then you guys will be totally right memory loss due to a type of Amnesia caused by a traumatic brain injury but overcome by Implicit memory that allows them to function. hehe but something still does not feel right, and I can smell a rat (dae), behind this.
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2011-11-10, 01:11 | Link #775 |
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OK - now that we've, uh, what's the term I'm looking for? Ah, yes - over-analyzed the shit out of that topic....
As for the brain-washing/hypnotism theory, if the organization had the capability I highly doubt they would fail to use it, unless they had attempted it in the past with less than satisfactory results. Of course, since the ZAOs were a last ditch resort, a minor side-effect (like psychosis) wouldn't faze Dae. |
2011-11-10, 09:26 | Link #776 |
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About the main character. Claire is obviously the main caracter for Claymore, but Miria is the main character for the "fall of Organisation" subplot imho.
That's something that Claire certainly care for, but it's far from her main driving force and her indepenent loner style doesn't fit there. How far back can you quote before it starts to become necrostyle? I'm not used to these kind of megathreads. Anyway, for the title thing Shiek. I know it's a name missing. My point was more that it looks more to be place to put authority words like "commander" or "lieutenant" rather than "private" or "advisor". |
2011-11-10, 11:37 | Link #778 |
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I didn't really see a predictions thread so... I'm pretty sure that Clare is going to be revived by Raki using youka synchronization. Claire failed with the sisters but not much time has passed. Then Priscilla will be somewhat weakened and fly off faster than anyone can catch her and she'll heal, setting up for a final battle. The rest of the story arcs will be the Claymores joining with humans on continent to fend off the other countries from annihilating them and establishing a Claymore run Organization.
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Well, 'Captain' is what the Ghost leader has been called, and their's no better name...as for second in command; well, I suppose either Lieutenant or Seargeant(sp); unless their is more then one officer (in which case, they almost have just as much authority over the troops), the next in line would be a NCO, in which case, the second-in-command would be Sarge. I'm not sure if I like the idea of breaking the Ghosts down so much like that, because it then because too hierachal, and who has authority over who becomes an issue -- especially in when, as much as Miria or whoever is the leader, they are all still in the same boat, even if she's Captain (in other words, she's not 'better' then the others); that's why, if the Ghosts Captain has to have a second-in-command that must be recognized as such....I think Seargent (I have no idea how to spell that -_-) would be best. If you're interested, give me your ideas, though bare in mind that my knowledge on alot of military aspects like this is admittingly from an American point of view, and how the military over here works. Quote:
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Your ideas sound like they would fit strongly with Revan's, especially in the political aspect of going and fending off other countries; if you're interested, you should read his story because you may like it.
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