2009-03-05, 18:13 | Link #762 | |
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Glad to know I'm not the only one bugged by it, lol.
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My money was on Nishino from that time too. Although the deal with Higure-san at first had my confused.
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2009-03-05, 18:16 | Link #763 |
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In Canvas 2, over the years I've watched it a few times and decided the information *was* there that foreshadowed the ending -- I simply failed to notice it because I had not sufficiently made the connection between his choices and his career options. So the progress and evolution is there (its just quite glacial given the length of the series and sidestories).
Here in Ichigo-land, it appears that his first confession was, however it came about, his long term connection. <shrug> whatever... about the only thing I take from the series (manga or anime) is a small collection of Hinoi Team CDs (from the anime ED). Happy silly euro-disco-japanstyle.
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2009-03-05, 18:18 | Link #764 | |
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Anyway back on topic...You'd think that if he had the money to sail the world, he should've at least bought a professional camera since that was his future career |
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2009-03-05, 19:26 | Link #766 |
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About the camera: Junpei was a sentimental... he uses things to the end... i'm the same, i still have my loyalty Canon 35mm... i dont have digital camera If you read Ai Kora, i'm the same than Tenmaku
About Nishino, there you have how much they love each other... as my granda said, there is no love without respect.
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2009-03-05, 23:45 | Link #767 | |
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man...i got enough of this thing. even sick of it. okay let me clarify things up, for the last time. don't get me wrong... i didn't say i don't agree with junpei x tsukasa ending. man, i told u before, nothing wrong with it. i didn't complain about something like that. junpei's decision is junpei's decision, so its pointless for us to compare. if u want to look objectively, all the girls have their own plus/minus so, junpei picked tsukasa wasn't because she was the best of all, (its a very subjective matter) but she was the best of all from his point of view and she has the strongest bond with him than the others. it was his choice not ours what i complained was only that 'weak-willed' thing. i think weak-willed is more like lazy. i don't see aya as a lazy person but if u said she didn't have enough courage to show his feeling to junpei, i agree with it. she has the will but she didn't have enough courage to show it properly, and when she had the courage, it was already too late. i just didn't say why i don't agree with weak-willed word before, and some ppl already said that i deny the fact. i just didn't want to argue more by doing that. hope this will clear the misunderstanding. Last edited by MINAMI KOTARO; 2009-03-06 at 01:17. |
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2009-03-06, 00:45 | Link #768 |
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yeah, I believe I somewhat agreed with you that it was Junpei's decision in the end (ignoring the commercial realities of ending the series). But you keep saying it is "pointless to compare" which is nonsense. EVERYONE compares (especially Junpei) but each person has a different weight on attributes that are important to them.
If they explain their weighting system - then you can understand why they like a particular girl best even if your own weighting system leads you to liking another. But that is the crux of the problem with this story: we never got a handle or any insight into Junpei's weighting system. He just seemed stuck in a never-ending spin of "omg 4 girls!!!! I can't decide!" that repeated itself. That problem I consider a failure by the author and why the series was finally forced to end suddenly (poor sales of the japanese edition). Personally, I, myself, got the most entertainment out of Satsuki. Nishino is a straight-ahead girl with goals and places to go, nothing wrong with her either. But which girl I like best is irrelevant. There are other series I have read that did a much better job at conveying the process and evolution that I see missing in this tale. What I did not get out of the story was any sense of evolution or converging of Junpei's feelings. He just spun around like a roulette wheel til the wheel had its brakes applied. In the end, that's why I consider Ichigo 100% fairly mediocre as a 'harem manga'.
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2009-03-06, 01:01 | Link #769 | |
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so, if we want to compare which girl is the best for ourself, we can put it as a 'subjective opinion'. yes, i agree, junpei is the worst harem male lead that i ever seen. in I"s we can see how hard seto tried to chase iori. but in ichigo 100%, junpei only waited to be picked by the girls without any significant effort to chase the girl of his choice. that makes me think amachi is more suitable as the male lead. Last edited by MINAMI KOTARO; 2009-03-06 at 01:23. |
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2009-03-06, 01:14 | Link #770 |
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I dun think you get Vexx's point, Keitaro really develops, he comes up against many obstacles but at the end his reason for choosing his "girl" makes sense from his actions. Junpei on the other hand never reveals his reasons about the girls that surround him, other than being alone is not what he wants. We never get to see him weigh the options, so we never get to clearly see why he choose tsukasa, but then again I feel like if the author were to tell her story she may have planned for that development for later, but thats probably giving her too much credit. Akamatsu on the other hand always gave keitaro a direction, and he always alluded to that direction so even though his manga was really long it felt like keitaro was always moving towards the final answer, unlike junpei who just seemed to stand at the center only to turn and face the girl of the week when it came time to switch. Without any really insight on junpei's feelings and actions toward the girls he liked, when we ship him off with other characters, all we are doing is projecting which female character we liked the best. which is why this is so heavily debated.
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2009-03-06, 01:16 | Link #771 |
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errrr, okay o.O (but we end up having no idea WHY he chose Nishino - mostly speculation since none of his actions ever really moved in a particular compass direction)
But yeah, I'd call I"s a better effort of storytelling in that the protagonist seems to be moving forward and not just running in circles. edit: in case anyone didn't get it... the 4 girls explicitly represent compass points and Junpei is the "spinning pointer". The manga and the anime used that symbolism frequently.
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2009-03-06, 01:20 | Link #772 | |
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2009-03-06, 01:38 | Link #774 | |
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Junpei bounces back and forth depending on which girl seems to need him the most at any particular moment. It just so happened when the manga ended, he was closest to Nishino. I don't think the problem really was that he picked Nishino - because at the point where the manga ended, she was ahead, and there were real concrete events to support his choice. The real problem was that the manga ended when it did. A lot of people, myself included, expected the manga go to on another 2 volumes or so for Aya to catch up and then overtake Nishino. Still, I'm happy with his choice, even if not with how it ended. |
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2009-03-06, 09:11 | Link #775 |
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I think he saw Toujo as a more of a friend and Nishino had found a place first in his heart. If Toujo had confessed earlier, things might have been different. I thought the way he broke up with Nishino before she left for France was a little weird, but I guess it worked out in the end. She never stopped loving him I would say.
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2009-03-06, 09:52 | Link #778 | |
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And what I mean is direct, not some flashbacks on how she got attracted to him, or something he did made her all go blushy. All people could do that. Every woman can get attracted by niceness. But to start a relationship and maintain is not all about being nice. It's about how he proved that he is worthy of her. And maybe that is the whole point of what I hate about the manga. It feels like he is just window shopping for products (girls) that could work for him. Not to show how he worked to earned the money to buy, but how he buys one of the products. |
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2009-03-06, 09:58 | Link #779 | |
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- The shy: Aya - The Idol: Tsukasa - The childhood friend: Yui - The bold sexy woman: Satsuki - The klutz: Kozue But, from the start always the harem has only two rivals and basically is the classic triangle... in love hina were Motoko and Naru, here were Aya and Tsukasa. So, Junpei could go in circles with a lot of girls, but in the end (and by the law of chief editor) there are only 2 that have the chance to keep the boy. From that point is difficult to follow a rule, sometime wins the shy, sometime the idol, sometime the childhood friend. In this case won the Idol.
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2009-03-06, 11:38 | Link #780 |
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I haven't participated in any Aya vs Tsukasa debates. I'm not sure if I'd want to. But let me express at least that it's Nishino Tsukasa all the way!
I loved the airport scene! Junpei is such a goofball, and Tsukawa is a perfect fit for him. They're one of my favorite anime/manga pairings, ranking amongst all time faves Aoi and Kaoru, Sawako and Shouta, and Motoko and Keitaro (the pairing in Motoko's head at least). Last edited by khryoleoz; 2009-03-06 at 18:37. |
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