2005-12-20, 23:13 | Link #61 | |
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2005-12-21, 00:24 | Link #62 | |
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Think of it as a Coda, where you get reoccuring main theme(s). Spoiler for Short Summary:
*** It's actually not a bad series, but it requires you to accept the results in DC first. Also, many of the viewers are PO'ed by the fact that the focus is still Nemu X Junichi, despite the advertising of Kotori as a 'main character'. (Personally, if they didn't advertise Kotori that way, I'd enjoy the first half a little more.) |
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2005-12-21, 00:31 | Link #63 | |
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2005-12-21, 11:43 | Link #64 | ||
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I think DCSS has suffered in that it hasn't shown off the range the first season had. The first season started with about 10-15 basically funny episodes before switching to high drama mode. The funny moments seem funnier because of the dramatic moments that happen later, and the dramatic moments seem more dramatic because of the comedic moments earlier in the season. DCSS doesn't really have the comedic range to offset the drama. Shuffle and Canvas have both managed that range much better than DCSS (I've been watching on raws, so I'm on episode 25). It's pacing is slow, but that's not necessarily bad, just different, and mostly personal preference (I vastly prefer Lamune to a lot of shows, and it is like the definition of slow paced). I think it would be less of a problem with the pacing being slow if they had just spaced out the later episodes a little bit (after 18 where things start to happen really fast) and cut the three episodes about the PC girls. Then it would have been paced about like Da Capo was (but still would have lacked a lot of the comedy). I do agree that there were a few too many characters to keep track of, but I thought that was part of the fanservice-y bits (I also can't remember the manga girl's name after 25 episodes). I think they probably could have just rewritten their parts with characters from the first season. However, as a companion series, I think DCSS does well enough on it's own merits. But, again, you pretty much had to enjoy the first season in order to enjoy the second. Happy Holidays! EDIT: It also doesn't help that it is an "after" series. It's hard to get excited about what happens "after" because it's usually not as interesting as what happened "During". "Before" can be interesting, depending on how a series started, but suffers from the fact that you already know how it's turning out. EDIT EDIT: It also suffered from a serious lack of my favorite character, Moe. Between her voice actress, her love for nabe (which I think only gets mentioned like twice this season), and her tendency to fall asleep all the time (just like my wife!), she was pretty much my favorite character from the first season. EDIT EDIT EDIT (hours later): After re-reading my post, I realized that I should point out that I really enjoy DCSS a lot. Not quite as much as DC, but still a whole lot. Last edited by rooboy; 2005-12-21 at 17:52. |
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2005-12-21, 17:33 | Link #65 |
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: England, UK
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Ah well, i'm the happiest guy alive now that Sakura's back in Second Season (Yes i know the Raw's are ahead a lot).
Its strange, but from episode 01 i've been missing something.. at the start i thought it was Sakura, and in the end it was Sakura, but i still get that feeling that i want back. Even with that said, i'm enjoying Second Season a lot more then first. Reason's i'm not that sure of.. Second Season's just one of those perfect anime's for me.
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2005-12-21, 21:17 | Link #66 | |
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The addition of the P.S. girls served to complicate the overall situation (more girls in romantic limbo gave credence to Aisia's argument), which isn't completely useless, but admittably not incredibly important either. I mean, obviously Nanako, Tamaki, Alice, and Kudo had to make an appearance - they're a part of the D.C. universe now, and this is probably this generation's last chance at being animated. Could have lived without them I suppose, but I still enjoyed their presense nonetheless. They were certainly "and also" characters (even in Aisia's own listings) - but then again, they were never part of the original game either. To compare and contrast, it looks like D.C. II will have a relatively large cast right from the get-go. We'll see how that turns out. P.S. Never ceases to amaze me how impossibly fast things hit the 'Net (I'm still waiting for Amazon to ship the actual disc... ), but the Dolce 2 album is coming out on Friday and on it you can find the sad but excellent second ED "Memory's Love Letter" featured in episodes 24 and 25 (with a surprising electric lead in the second half), and all the other image songs you've heard so far (plus Nemu, Sakura, and Kotori's image songs resung - though I think I like the ones sung by the VAs better for the personal/in-character factor). Props as always to the music producers on this show; if there's one thing they undoubtably did right with Second Season, the music would have to be it, as far as I'm concerned. These singers are as much a part of Da Capo as the "ever-blooming" cherry tree, if you ask me. |
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2005-12-22, 13:02 | Link #67 |
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I'm a kotori fan but I understand. I got annoyed thought I can appricate the storyline. So I bought the game so I can let kotori have her happy ending. Then I realized probably a lot of other people might have done this too. It hurts so much to see kotori lose because I identify with Kotori as well. I think we share the same personality type. However, what's shocking is that what happened to me in real life I see kinda happening with Kotori and her fans. Know this... even if every Kotori fan were to somehow jump into the dimension of Da Capo and help her out she would still not win. Still... I enjoy this and I want to see this to the bitter end. P.S. Was there someone else here that identified with kotori? |
2005-12-22, 16:27 | Link #68 | |
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2005-12-22, 16:28 | Link #69 |
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Well if i jumped into Da Capo, i know kotori wouldn't win. But i could "relieve" some stress of mine
I don't think i "completly" indentify with kotori, but she has qualities that i can indentify with and like. And relentlessflame, have read your theory, but need time to digest it and formulate mine opinion. |
2005-12-22, 16:46 | Link #70 |
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She likes a boy that doesn't like her, at some level don't we all identify with Kotori?
Except for the rather vague part about her wanting to make people happy (something I'm sure we all identify with in our minds, even if others wouldn't agree with us ), I think they purposefully don't develop her personality a whole lot to make it easier to identify with her. Junichi's a slob, Nemu gets crazy jealous, but we don't really see any of Kotori's faults (and before anyone says anything, yes, she must have them, everyone does). She's a little on the shy side (as if that doesn't play into 90% of otaku-dom). I would go so far as to say that Kotori's purpose in the anime is for you to identify with her (I can't really speak for the game as I've never played it, but I've always sort of vaguely hoped that they actually gave her more of a personality than the anime).
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2005-12-22, 16:48 | Link #71 | ||
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And the whole being selfless thing, well...she's only human, but yes, she tries really hard to be nice, and I think many of us can identify with that, or at least really appreciate it.
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2005-12-22, 17:33 | Link #72 | |
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I have never, in the entire series, seen Kotori displayed with a single fault, except she's "too nice", and that's not even really a flaw. Don't get me wrong, I believe the producers did this on purpose to make her likeable. Kotori was written as the perfect girl next door (except she doesn't actually live next door), there's nothing wrong with her character in that way (it's a lot like Nanami from Lamune actually). But I have yet to hear a single person name a single flaw she has that they didn't make up in their own head. Part of the point of the show is that despite the fact that Kotori is "perfect" (Well, as perfect as a human is likely to get), that doesn't make her perfect for Junichi. Suzuka spoiler if you haven't watched it Spoiler:
Again, everyone's different and everyone's loveable, and that means we are too! Personally, I like Moe because she's a ditz and an airhead, has a tendency to fall asleep at the wrong times and in general seems to suffer from a bad case of ADD, as well as her kind and generous nature, all of which reminds me of my wife.
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2005-12-22, 17:43 | Link #73 | |
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I agree that it's not really shown in the anime though, I'm talking about stuff from the game. You find a lot more about her there. Oh and I know you're not trying to start a war, don't worry. I'm just telling you my opinion. You're spot on about the show, though. PS: Moe is behind Kotori and Alice and tied with Sakura for me, she's one of my favourites.
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2005-12-22, 17:56 | Link #74 | |
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But to clarify my point, being insecure is not a flaw when everyone in the series is equally insecure. She's always seemed honest enough in the fact that she liked Junichi (at least as honest as everyone else is). These are all standard characteristics of the genre. Nemu is just as insecure and dishonest with her feelings as Kotori is, so is Mako. It can't really be a flaw if all the characters share it, or at least, it can't be a distinguishing flaw. At that point it's an idiosyncracy of either the genre or the writer (In this case the genre, as all shows like this feature characters with those same two flaws, or else a variation of them). And I didn't mean the flaws had to be evil or mean, that's why I listed Moe's character flaws. P.S. Still under the impression this season suffered from a serious lack of Moe. Very depressed that they couldn't show her and Mako discussing nabe on the roof occasionally like in the first season. There was also a serious lack of Mako trying to kill Suginami but failing miserably. And, of course, I have to agree with Anime on My Mind that the downgrade from Yoriko to Aisia is probably the worst first season to second season downgrade ever. Still loved DCSS as a companion piece though, especially the miko and the manga girl.
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2005-12-22, 18:00 | Link #75 |
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Moe is the most shafted character in season 1 as well. Her personality is portrayed accurrately, but they say -nothing- about her story, which is quite interesting and explains a lot of things.
And I meant dishonest with things that bother her. She often bottles all her problems in not to bother other people, telling herself that "it'll be fine", and that causes more problems than it solves. The game is a lot like season 1, but yeah, season 2 is really separate from that.
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2005-12-22, 18:26 | Link #76 | ||
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Da Capo was a Dreamcast game wasn't it? And there's a PC version too, correct? I might have to see if I can hunt down a copy on amazon.jp just to find out what the heck is going on with her. Quote:
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2005-12-22, 19:21 | Link #77 | |
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I think you should get this version because Tamaki, Alice, Nanako, Murasaki (the pink bear), Kasumi (new character too, doesn't show up in the anime) and, uhm...well, let's just call her Kanae because otherwise it'd be a spoiler are in. The original game doesn't have these characters. And yeah, I guess we disagree there. If you do play the game though, and Kotori's route, make sure you post here later and tell me if your opinion has changed or it's still the same. And yes, I love different interpretations and debating, when people are civil, like for example in this topic. I do hope I didn't sound rude at any point though, if I do, mind you it's just my broken English (my first language is Spanish), so I apologize if that's the case. Moe does indeed have an interesting past, and her development in her route is cool as well. I'm not telling you anything though, not even in spoiler tags, as I know those can be tempting, just that her route is one of my favourites along with Kotori's, Alice's and Kanae's, though that's probably more because of Moe herself, since she's a really good character.
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2005-12-22, 20:50 | Link #78 | |
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What versions of the game have you got. Are the expansions worth it (as in further the story even more or are there just for fun). Cause i'm thinking of buying the game also, plus expansions. Though that would be quite the investment. Not to mentioned I wouldnt mind getting the second game when it comes out. |
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2005-12-22, 21:40 | Link #79 |
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Funnily enough I never got the original but a friend of mine kept rambling about it, before I was a DC fan.
I have DCPS, DCPC and DCSV. I've played DCWS but I don't own it. You're not missing anything if you buy just one either of DCPS/PC, and then the White Season and Summer Vacation games, except for the new things in DCFS... I recommend getting DCPC/PS and DCFS which was released not long ago. From what I've seen DCFS is a combination between DCSV and DCWS, although quite a few things changed. More routes for other characters were added (DCWS was based on the original DC, so no Tamaki, Alice, etc.; and DCSV only had routes for Nemu, Sakura, Tamaki, Kotori, Kanae and Alice). As for the characters who already had routes, they seem to be the same from either the original DCSV or DCWS games, except for Kotori who seems to have a new route altogether. Oh, DCSV has a few extras, under the name of SS IIRC , but I think it stands for Short Stories there. They're fun, but well, short. There's one for every character though, unlike in the main game. I dunno, your call. Like I said, I think you'd be fine with either DCPC or DCPS and DCFS. You'd be missing a few things, but you'd miss the least things possible and you won't have to spend -that- much. I really liked SV personally. You get to know Kotori, Alice and Kanae a lot better, discover more about their personalities, and things like that, and I enjoy those sort of lighthearted stories. Plus Kotori and her friends Tomo-chan and Mik-kun, and Alice, are awesome.
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As for Kotori: she is a wonderful character, and I felt they did a pretty satisfactory job in the first season of resolving her feelings for Junichi. I thought the post-confession scene of her skipping school was one of the more wonderful moments of the first season. But the writers really and truly did Kotori wrong in the second season by re-opening up the possibility of a romantic relationship for her and Junichi. It was a no-win situation from the start. If Junichi had dumped Nemu for Kotori in D.C.S.S. it would have been unfair to Nemu, but even worse it would match Kotori up with someone who had just proven by his lack of faithfulness that he did not deserve her. <heavy sigh> Yeah, I'm not very happy at all with how Kotori's arc has played out. I just wish so many people didn't feel that it was all Nemu's fault. end of confession. |
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