2017-06-27, 15:30 | Link #61 |
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Let me ask an interesting question. Saji's powers are based mostly around umbrakinesis right ? Couldn't he in theory "catch" a dragon shot and shoot it back at Issei ? And more or less move around the battlefield to anywhere that he is affecting ?
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2017-06-27, 16:23 | Link #64 |
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True, that. But wouldn't be counterproductive to continue using Absorption Line to shorten his own lifespan? It couldn't possibly be worth to die sooner, and the fact that you're doing it to yourself on purpose just makes it weirder and possibly even stupid IMO.
And again, there's no Breakdown the Beast for Vritra as far as we know. So stop saying it as if it were a possibility.
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2017-06-27, 16:58 | Link #66 |
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The main focus was on the lifesteal because Vritra is so unique that his SG doesn't have need for a Breakdown the beast. But the main thing i'm wondering about is how is Saji going to bridge the 20 grand canyon wide gap between him and Issei, he has Diabolos Dragon for gods sake that's WAY to much for Saji to handle even if he did sacrafice some of his lifespan. Techiniques might slow down Issei but he has proved time and time again that technique types will just get crushed by his insane level of sheer brute force. This match will be a loss for the Sitri team unless delete field works the way i'm thinking and even that could be overloaded.
Atleast on the plus side Saji's going to get a new technique or two and possibly get a new title
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2017-06-27, 17:03 | Link #67 |
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Yeah, a new technique or two (maybe more) and a new title would be good for Saji right about now, though it does feel kind of bad to have it be in a side-story Volume rather than in one of the main story Volumes.
The fight between Ise and Saji is basically a fight between Ddraig and Vritra and their respective hosts. Ddraig said that even though Vritra was a really troublesome opponent due to his versatility, he could still win against him (IIRC). So that means that between Ddraig and Vritra, at least, Ddraig would always win, albeit with some difficulty because of Vritra's versatility.
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2017-06-27, 17:13 | Link #68 | |
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Hey what if Saji can use demonic powers (The offensive kind) along with Vritra's powers ? That would bridge the gap just a little more and would keep in line with the technique type theme. How about that ? And maybe Rugal has taught him some magic too it's possible.
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Hate to be so salty but i feel i'm right.
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2017-06-27, 17:22 | Link #69 |
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That's true. It should work. But remember that it's not easy to increase Demonic Power. It takes a lot of time. Saji and Ise are kind of stuck with low Demonic Power, though Ise's might be a bit higher and he can also use Boost. But they're both Pawns and can of course raise it in Bishop mode, too (among other ways).
But Saji's biggest hope would be either Absorption Line to suck Ise's blood or power and/or Delete Field. The latter can be overloaded if Ise feeds it too much power, probably, and the former can be beaten easily too. Just don't get caught. Should be easier for Ise now. He'll just be in trouble if Saji's teammates interfere (though in that case, Ise's could do the same).
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2017-06-27, 17:53 | Link #70 | |
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And the reason there wouldn't be a Breakdown the Beast is because there are many Vritra Sacred Gears. Portions of his soul were sealed into those Sacred Gear instead of his whole soul itself like Ddraig and Albion. So Breakdown the Beast would kind of be impossible. Sure his consciousness was awakened after Saji's battle with Issei but still Vritra's soul is still spread out. If it makes you better, consider [Vritra Promotion] as Saji's version of BtB. But Issei can't just easily shake off techniques like Saji's. Issei is still susceptible to techniques with that being his weakness. There's nothing to feel bad about, everyone has a weakness. If you take that away, then you would just be trying to make Issei invincible. And Vritra's abilities are way too versatile for Issei to just shake off. How does Issei deal with his power being drained away? How does he deal with his ability being nullified? Sure he can just use pure power to overcome it. But this is Saji we're talking about. Why would it go so far to hype out their battle if Issei is just going to beat Saji easily. Saji isn't someone who fights with pure power like Issei. Doesn't mean he won't give Issei the fight of his life. Last edited by Lucidrago; 2017-06-27 at 18:05. |
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2017-06-27, 18:04 | Link #71 |
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The other two might be used now you never know. There is a reason for not showing them right off the bat.
Edit:A fight of his life sure Saji's going to give Issei a REAL challange but the outcome is still the same Issei's going to win. And Issei is invincible in DxD G against anybody other then a god or someon e on that level and that is in the false version of DxD G. True version let's not even talk about that because that from is on Prime Ophis level (once Issei can handle it)
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2017-06-27, 18:46 | Link #73 |
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And you only use your final trump card only when you need it. DxD G isn't something for Issei to use so casually. Did Issei use DxD G against Barakiel? Did he use it against Dulio? Then why would he use it against Saji when Issei could simply beat him with CCQ? Why would he just use that form considering that it wouldn't even be a battle for the two just a one-sided curbstomp. And even if he did use it, what happens if Sona had a countermeasure against him using it. Him basically falling into a trap or Sona taking advantage of his heavily depleted stamina just from using the form. That form isn't something to be used so casually.
I never said that Issei wasn't going to win. Just don't act like Saji is completely worseless in front of him and can't give him a good fight. Think about how Ddraig, a Heavenly Dragon, said Vritra, a Dragon King, was very troublesome to face. And Saji has even given much stronger opponents a problem due to Vritra's abilities. You think Issei's an exception? |
2017-06-27, 19:39 | Link #75 |
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Power is not the only way to beat power. Power can be beat by outstanding tactics and the sort. Cao Cao had a countermeasure to Juggernaut Drive. Sona isn't one to underestimate Issei's team and we know she's one of the most brilliant minds in this show. She might not have a countermeasure, but don't put it past someone of Sona's caliber.
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2017-06-27, 20:08 | Link #76 |
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Yeah, I'm afraid Sona might use some dirty tactics against Ise. Not exactly dirty, but who knows. I'm thinking targeting Ravel and Asia.
While Ise may expect Sona to have some honor while fighting or something(the kind that Sairaorg has), she might actually use his weakness just like Cao Cao would. Saji loves Sona enough to ignore Vrita and Ddraig's rivalry. And that could be the deciding factor.
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2017-06-27, 23:37 | Link #77 | |
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And what rivalry between Ddraig and Vritra? Ddraig and Albion are rivals. It would just be a match between two fellow dragons and two fellow pawns. |
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2017-06-28, 00:03 | Link #78 |
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Ddraig and Vritra are Rivals this generation because Saji and Issei are but only THIS generation Ddraig and Albion are permanent rivals. And yeah if Sona is in any danger that overrides everything. I'm gonna sound like a jerk but volume 17 level attack and damage again plz Saji hasn't had enough bad luck as it is.
But lets be real here the only way i see Saji beating Issei is if delete gield nullify's the boosted gear Balance breaker and up (Triaina CCQ DxD G) then Saji might win but even then delete field could be overloaded and we're back to square one.
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2017-06-28, 02:48 | Link #80 | |
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But, putting that aside, there is no possible way that Issei can defeat Saji while getting off completely scot-free. Saji isn't really a pushover that can just be sent flying like some other opponents. |
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