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Perfect 10 | 22 | 44.00% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 13 | 26.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 15 | 30.00% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 0 | 0% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
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2014-11-30, 11:27 | Link #61 | |
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As for the Sakura bit, wouldn't Blood Fort's effect affect the worms? |
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2014-11-30, 11:56 | Link #63 |
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I was thinking Rider died of an explosive heart attack until I read the thread. Then I remember Kuzuki, who's had like two scenes thus far, was responsible. So magic is able to buff him to the level of killing servants?
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2014-11-30, 13:39 | Link #65 |
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People are forgetting the fact that Ufo gets permission from Nasu for all the changes...
And btw, Kuzuki could literally stomp Saber in their first encounter, there is no reason he couldn't do the same thing with Rider, who is a much weaker Servant under Shinji. Last edited by HtwoN; 2014-11-30 at 15:22. |
2014-11-30, 16:09 | Link #67 |
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... there's not that many. Shirou needed extenuating circumstances in the form of coming across a Heroic Spirit version of himself. Rin was only able to have an advantage over Caster because she knew martial arts and Caster didn't. Kuzuki had the skill, but still needed buffs from another Servant to fight on even footing. Bazett is only able to do so because she has a Noble Phantasm herself.
'bout the only human in the Fate/stay night/Tsukihime 'verse capable of defeating a Servant on their own without extenuating circumstances would be Aoko.
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2014-11-30, 16:32 | Link #71 | |
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Then, there's also Ryogi, Aoko and a number of non-humans, like 27 ancestors and Kouma. Oh, and Ciel, who can fight against them as well (even if that is defencive battle). I think it's more than enough characters. Oh, and if we'll go into Fate/Extra territory there's also Miss Hellish Vagina. |
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2014-11-30, 16:42 | Link #73 |
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Shirou and EMIYA killing Gilgamesh isn't as special as you'd think it is. Their skillset is practically tailor made to killing Gilgamesh--it wouldn't be nearly as effective against any other Servant. Gilgamesh is not that skilled in hand to hand combat like Saber and Archer are, so it's not that surprising that Shirou could overwhelm him in a sword duel.
Ryougi isn't in the same universe as the Holy Grail War, so I didn't include her. True Ancestors and Dead Apostle Ancestors also weren't included in my statement because they aren't human and are already beyond the vast majority of humans. And even then, the most powerful of the True Ancestors winning is highly circumstantial.
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2014-11-30, 16:48 | Link #75 | |||
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And yeah, you listed basically the ones with real special circumstances. And HS are nerfed when summoned under the classes of the HGW. Basically, special circumstance. Quote:
And lastly, ANN review claims that Shinji not being killed by Kuzuki is a plot hole. Team Caster is ruthless, so why let go of a Master if Caster herself is well versed with Command Seals due to her doing something to her Master and summoning herself a Servant? Discuss.
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2014-11-30, 16:53 | Link #76 | |
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Though theoretically she could still exist, just not as the character we know and as such not one capable of fighting Servants. |
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2014-11-30, 16:57 | Link #77 | |
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2014-11-30, 17:09 | Link #78 |
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It's not that there can only be one set of those particular Mystic Eyes, the actual statement is that two pairs of Mystic Eyes of Death Perception existing at the same time is so unlikely as to effectively be impossible.
Having looked up Ryougi in her capabilities against Servants, she's stated to be on the same level as Ciel. Ciel's already stated to be able to go up against Servants only in a defensive battle, so take that as you will. Looking up statements on the 27 Ancestors, even word of god says that for the most part, Servants would have a slight advantage. Saber in particular would be extremely tough for them to defeat, because of her possession of Excalibur gives her an advantage against opponents who overwhelm with material quantity and alienness. There are some who'd be able to tank Excalibur, but those are stated to only just have absurd levels of HP... and that those same opponents would have a hard time against Lancer.
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