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Guardian Enzo · 2021-11-27, 20:43

I agree "there is no explanation" is probably the best explanation. No single explanation, anyway. But that's frustrating as hell.

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2021-11-27, 23:18

Sometimes a movie, a show or a book with questionable quality simply comes at the right place, the right time & the right people and becomes an ultra mega hit that left people baffled. It's almost like the stars are aligned to make them popular at any cost. In short: shit happens.

Aside from Avatar, surely you all remember Twilight. Not that I'm saying KnY is even nearly as bad as that thing.

Magewolf · 2021-11-28, 02:06

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Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Sometimes a movie, a show or a book with questionable quality simply comes at the right place, the right time & the right people and becomes an ultra mega hit that left people baffled. It's almost like the stars are aligned to make them popular at any cost. In short: shit happens.

Aside from Avatar, surely you all remember Twilight. Not that I'm saying KnY is even nearly as bad as that thing.

But Twilight makes perfect sense. It is a blending of soft core porn and crack for teenage girls(of any age). The fact that the books are horribly written and have a very demeaning depiction of woman is not important to the target audience. It is like complaining that the pizza guy showed up with no pants on in regular porn.

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2021-11-28, 02:29

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Originally Posted by Magewolf

But Twilight makes perfect sense. It is a blending of soft core porn and crack for teenage girls(of any age). The fact that the books are horribly written and have a very demeaning depiction of woman is not important to the target audience. It is like complaining that the pizza guy showed up with no pants on in regular porn.

I mean, if you can make sense outta Twilight's success, certainly you can make sense outta Mugen Train's. I personally don't have any solid explanation for both of them other than strange fate.

Guardian Enzo · 2021-11-28, 02:41

As far as I'm concerned there's no mystery to Mugen Train's success - once Kimetsu became as huge as it did the movie was always going to be a phenomenal financial success. The mystery is why the series got so popular in the first place.

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2021-11-28, 03:31

Yeah, I should've typed KnY in that comment.

Endscape · 2021-11-28, 09:16

From what I've seen and heard, Kimetsu became popular because it appealed to a wide range of people in Japan. This, plus the fact that it got a very well done anime that was a viral success was a piece of excellent luck.

It's something that offended no one and that every one could enjoy, regardless of age. It's the kind of show you could watch with your parents or your grandparents, and they would enjoy it just as much.

I've seen photos of elderly people lining up to buy volumes. I've heard stories from people living in Japan that kids there are obsessed with it and spend time pretending to be Tanjiro, Nezuko, etc. Even politicians make jokes about it in Parliament to general laughter.

It has mass appeal and a great anime that had the luck to go viral because of some truly stunning scenes.

Guido · 2021-11-28, 14:02

A factor or character plot that I disliked from the film was the focus on Enmu's pitiable state right after the demon slayers thwarted his plot with a bang of blaze.

To me Enmu was a bland character with a forgettable personality, yet his demon art and ploy truly insulted our main characters to the very core.

Perhaps, the whole scene showing Enmu's decrepit state in his last throes is a parable at how pitiable and pathetic most, if not at all, the Lower Moons were to Muzan, as pebbles in the way that could not even strike a single thorn at the waist of the Hashiras.

The only exceptions amongst the Lower Moons were Kyogai and Rui who were very blessed to meet and be defeated by Tanjiro, whom he mourned their respective grief.

Now moving on with our boy Rengoku.....

His showdown against Akaza is not only a display craft but a testament to his conviction at not wavering to temptation but remaining steeled and committed to deliver the goal.
For Rengoku, perhaps, what's more important than living as a human is for one to make use of what little life time has to enjoy fulfilling moments with others and sharing smiles, tears, and memories as in living the moment as if were the last one.

Kanon · 2021-11-28, 19:02

The final episode of the arc was great. Tanjiro said this fight was Rengoku's victory since he managed to protect everyone, but it was an extremely big loss as well. Rengoku was an asset they just couldn't afford to lose now that Muzan appears to be getting more aggressive. Maybe his son's death will inspire his father to pick up his sword again? We don't know why he resigned from being a Hashira in the first place, and he's still young.

The flashback with Rengoku's mother added a lot of emotional weight to his death.

I get Tanjiro being so sad because he's always been very empathetic and emotional, but Inosuke and Zenitsu bawling their eyes out for a guy they've known for all of one night was a bit much. That goes double for Zenitsu who was half asleep the whole time and didn't even witness his final stand.

MCAL · 2021-11-28, 21:02

Yeah, the biggest problem with the ending was that there was way too much crying that it kind of got hard to take seriously. I mean even the freaking crow started doing it. It's a shame cause the scene where Rengoku sees his mother's spirit (Amazing that Kimetsu gets a veteran like Megumi Toyaguchi to voice a character that maybe has less than a dozen lines) definitely made me tear up a little. And everything else about his death was well done.

EDIT: Seems the final volume of the Kimetsu manga sold over 5 million copies just in case you weren't bored about how popular it seems to be already.

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2021-11-28, 22:10

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Originally Posted by Kanon

I get Tanjiro being so sad because he's always been very empathetic and emotional, but Inosuke and Zenitsu bawling their eyes out for a guy they've known for all of one night was a bit much. That goes double for Zenitsu who was half asleep the whole time and didn't even witness his final stand.

Yeah. That's another example why I don't really like most of the angsty-wangsty high-emotion moment in KnY. They often go a bit too far.

Master_Yoma · 2021-11-28, 22:17

Well turning a movie into 7eps they really know where to put the cutoff for a nice cliffhanger

7/10

Kanon · 2021-11-29, 08:52

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Yeah, the biggest problem with the ending was that there was way too much crying that it kind of got hard to take seriously. I mean even the freaking crow started doing it. It's a shame cause the scene where Rengoku sees his mother's spirit (Amazing that Kimetsu gets a veteran like Megumi Toyaguchi to voice a character that maybe has less than a dozen lines) definitely made me tear up a little. And everything else about his death was well done.

EDIT: Seems the final volume of the Kimetsu manga sold over 5 million copies just in case you weren't bored about how popular it seems to be already.

Everything related to Rengoku's mother was damn good. She had very few screentime, but she said all the right lines to make her likable. Rengoku saying he was the one who was proud to have been born to her in a very late reply to her saying she was proud to have a son like him was the most emotional moment for me.

And yeah, I saw the sales for the final volume. Crazy.

Jan-Poo · 2021-11-29, 09:40

Well this last episode was very good a solid 10 from me. If the movie ended on that note then I understand a little more why it was so well received (still doesn't explain the whole thing, but at least I can say that it's a very solid movie). The sakuga during the final confrontation between Kyoujurou and the upper 3 demon was also very well done, at least that bit was on the level that I expected from Ufotable on a movie.

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We don't know why he resigned from being a Hashira in the first place, and he's still young.

It seems the story is going toward a direction where Tanjirou will meet Kyoujurou's father. There's also that suspicious bit where Kyoujurou said that he didn't read all the archives of his family. So perhaps there's something there that explains why his father became like that? Maybe he read those and found some mind-breaking secret; just an idea.

GDB · 2021-11-29, 19:33

Not only did the movie end on that note (based on how people are describing it at least, since I'm not watching the anime until the new stuff actually starts), but the entire ED was like an homage to Rengoku immediately afterwards.

Chosen_Hero · 2021-11-29, 20:52

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I still think many are missing the main point here. We’re not talking about “a successful manga” - we’re talking about the most successful franchise in manga and anime history (over a 2-3 year period at least). That’s why all these explanations seem so inadequate.

More like it's the 20th, but who's counting.

https://howchoo.com/movies/20-highes...es-of-all-time

Magewolf · 2021-11-29, 21:49

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More like it's the 20th, but who's counting.

https://howchoo.com/movies/20-highes...es-of-all-time

I think you missed "(over a 2-3 year period at least)". Nothing else has ever made that much money that fast over such a short period.

Jan-Poo · 2021-11-29, 23:10

It also counts every single related product and merchandise. I mean I understand if it's something like Evangelion where the anime started it all and if the related videogames sold is because of the anime success, but Pokemon's success is clearly a success of the video game series not the anime.

Guardian Enzo · 2021-11-29, 23:24

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Originally Posted by Magewolf

I think you missed "(over a 2-3 year period at least)". Nothing else has ever made that much money that fast over such a short period.

Indeed. That link is totally irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

belatkuro · 2021-12-05, 13:33

Some Japanese stuff on Hinokami Kagura and the new mentioned Sun Breathing.

Hinokami Kagura is written as ヒノカミ神楽. It's in katakana so it's hard to decipher what it actually refers to since some words can mean different things. In this case it's the Hi in the Hinokami. Hi can mean 火(fire, read as hi) but can also be 日(sun, also read as hi). Hence the confusion and added mystery on the Hi(Fire) no Kami(God) Kagura(Dance)/Dance of the Fire God. That's why before it was left as Hinokami Kagura and not translated as Dance of the Fire God. All for this reveal that it could be called Dance of the Sun God and connected to the Sun Breathing. Also, Rengoku's style is 炎(honoo, flame) so he's the Flame Hashira. I remember this distinction was mentioned last season when Tanjiro consulted Shinobu about Hinokami Kagura and that Rengoku's family line are Flame Hashira, not Fire.

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Obelisk ze Tormentor Black Steel Knight Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Indonesia	Sometimes a movie, a show or a book with questionable quality simply comes at the right place, the right time & the right people and becomes an ultra mega hit that left people baffled. It's almost like the stars are aligned to make them popular at any cost. In short: shit happens. Aside from Avatar, surely you all remember *Twilight*. Not that I'm saying KnY is even nearly as bad as that thing. __________________

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Obelisk ze Tormentor Black Steel Knight Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Indonesia	Yeah, I should've typed KnY in that comment. __________________

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Endscape The Mage of Four Hearts Author Join Date: Mar 2010 Age: 34	From what I've seen and heard, Kimetsu became popular because it appealed to a wide range of people in Japan. This, plus the fact that it got a very well done anime that was a viral success was a piece of excellent luck. It's something that offended no one and that every one could enjoy, regardless of age. It's the kind of show you could watch with your parents or your grandparents, and they would enjoy it just as much. I've seen photos of elderly people lining up to buy volumes. I've heard stories from people living in Japan that kids there are obsessed with it and spend time pretending to be Tanjiro, Nezuko, etc. Even politicians make jokes about it in Parliament to general laughter. It has mass appeal and a great anime that had the luck to go viral because of some truly stunning scenes. __________________ Illusion, illusion, this is illusion. It cannot harm me.

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Guido Snobby Gentleman Join Date: May 2004 Location: Monterrey, México Age: 43	Demon Slayer: Infinite Train Arc. Episode 6, Akaza A factor or character plot that I disliked from the film was the focus on Enmu's pitiable state right after the demon slayers thwarted his plot with a bang of blaze. To me Enmu was a bland character with a forgettable personality, yet his demon art and ploy truly insulted our main characters to the very core. Perhaps, the whole scene showing Enmu's decrepit state in his last throes is a parable at how pitiable and pathetic most, if not at all, the Lower Moons were to Muzan, as pebbles in the way that could not even strike a single thorn at the waist of the Hashiras. The only exceptions amongst the Lower Moons were Kyogai and Rui who were very blessed to meet and be defeated by Tanjiro, whom he mourned their respective grief. Now moving on with our boy Rengoku..... His showdown against Akaza is not only a display craft but a testament to his conviction at not wavering to temptation but remaining steeled and committed to deliver the goal. For Rengoku, perhaps, what's more important than living as a human is for one to make use of what little life time has to enjoy fulfilling moments with others and sharing smiles, tears, and memories as in living the moment as if were the last one.

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Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	The final episode of the arc was great. Tanjiro said this fight was Rengoku's victory since he managed to protect everyone, but it was an extremely big loss as well. Rengoku was an asset they just couldn't afford to lose now that Muzan appears to be getting more aggressive. Maybe his son's death will inspire his father to pick up his sword again? We don't know why he resigned from being a Hashira in the first place, and he's still young. The flashback with Rengoku's mother added a lot of emotional weight to his death. I get Tanjiro being so sad because he's always been very empathetic and emotional, but Inosuke and Zenitsu bawling their eyes out for a guy they've known for all of one night was a bit much. That goes double for Zenitsu who was half asleep the whole time and didn't even witness his final stand. __________________

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MCAL Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012	Yeah, the biggest problem with the ending was that there was way too much crying that it kind of got hard to take seriously. I mean even the freaking crow started doing it. It's a shame cause the scene where Rengoku sees his mother's spirit (Amazing that Kimetsu gets a veteran like Megumi Toyaguchi to voice a character that maybe has less than a dozen lines) definitely made me tear up a little. And everything else about his death was well done. EDIT: Seems the final volume of the Kimetsu manga sold over 5 million copies just in case you weren't bored about how popular it seems to be already. Last edited by MCAL; 2021-11-28 at 22:16.

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Master_Yoma Nekokota Festival Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lost in the Fairy Forest	Well turning a movie into 7eps they really know where to put the cutoff for a nice cliffhanger 7/10 __________________

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GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	Not only did the movie end on that note (based on how people are describing it at least, since I'm not watching the anime until the new stuff actually starts), but the entire ED was like an homage to Rengoku immediately afterwards.

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Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	It also counts every single related product and merchandise. I mean I understand if it's something like Evangelion where the anime started it all and if the related videogames sold is because of the anime success, but Pokemon's success is clearly a success of the video game series not the anime. __________________

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belatkuro Kuro-chan Join Date: Mar 2012	Some Japanese stuff on Hinokami Kagura and the new mentioned Sun Breathing. Hinokami Kagura is written as ヒノカミ神楽. It's in katakana so it's hard to decipher what it actually refers to since some words can mean different things. In this case it's the Hi in the Hinokami. Hi can mean 火(fire, read as hi) but can also be 日(sun, also read as hi). Hence the confusion and added mystery on the Hi(Fire) no Kami(God) Kagura(Dance)/Dance of the Fire God. That's why before it was left as Hinokami Kagura and not translated as Dance of the Fire God. All for this reveal that it could be called Dance of the Sun God and connected to the Sun Breathing. Also, Rengoku's style is 炎(honoo, flame) so he's the Flame Hashira. I remember this distinction was mentioned last season when Tanjiro consulted Shinobu about Hinokami Kagura and that Rengoku's family line are Flame Hashira, not Fire.