2015-06-05, 04:40 | Link #61 |
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For those saying that Naru and Sasu should have performed better during this fight you need to remember that they were planning on capturing the enemies. They wanted information, not dead bodies, if they used even 0.1% of their full strength they would have turn them into dust.
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2015-06-05, 05:30 | Link #62 | |
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I'll say that is a pure bull... It's just a plot device to make the other part (enemies) looks capable of something
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2015-06-05, 06:29 | Link #63 |
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Don't have time to read the whole thread at the moment, so not sure if anyone else thought of this or not:
I'm curious whether his ability is actually controlling weapons, or if it's controlling his blood. The only ones we saw him control were his own weapons (easily coated) and Sasuke's katana (clearly cut his hand when grabbing it). If it's his blood... Naruto and Sasuke could wind up being his puppets for a time, since both of them got cut by weapons covered in his blood. |
2015-06-05, 06:53 | Link #64 | |
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Naruto worked hard to renovate the entire village , hell , they even gain access to Iphone and Laptop . So it is understandable that his battle instinct may have been dulled over time . I used to play Badminton very well , but now , i can't even hit properly after 5 years not practicing it . |
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2015-06-05, 07:08 | Link #65 | |
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It's like Hiraishin.
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I don't think the fight was bad. Sasuke and Naruto don't seem like they did when they fought Madara, but they obviously weren't going 100% here. Naruto and Sasuke took a hit, big deal. Do you honestly believe they would've lost from that? The kyuubi wasn't even worried or worked up --the fox was lying down curled up like a house cat joking about the whole thing. We know how he looks when things are dire; I think alot of you are taking this too seriously. Every time a villain is introduced they're made to seem a bit more powerful than they really are --part of that is because their abilities take a bit of getting used to. I think you guys need to calm down a bit and read a few more chapters.
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2015-06-05, 09:34 | Link #67 |
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About the shroud thing, you basically said, that Naruto would heal himself first and leave Salada unprotected, which I would find very out of character. The list was actually just to show, how many established/hinted abilities Naruto and Sasuke have to deal with the situation. Them not using them and taking unnecessary harm to make the battle more 'intense' is the bad writing people complain about. |
2015-06-05, 10:43 | Link #68 | |
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Speaking about Shin ...
At previous chapter, he ordered his son to retreat because he saw his son wouldn't be able to match Naruto. Now, he know Naruto and Sasuke were there yet have full confidence on confronting them just by two instead of using all of his clone army to guarantee better chance of victory; not even a sign of unease in front of two strongest ninja. His miscalculation is only Sakura, the reinforcement. What's with that confidence? If we're assuming Shin know well about Naruto and Sasuke strength, does that mean he have some countermeasure on his sleeve hence attacking them or this ambush just a test battle for him despite the risk against two strongest ninja? Quote:
IMO, using Kuchiyose is reckless move, especially if they intended to capture enemy. Last edited by Tactics; 2015-06-05 at 12:22. |
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2015-06-05, 10:55 | Link #69 | |
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Yet notice how these fights are always stopped short? That's because if they went on further the opponent would eventually lose, and the plot is ruined. This stuff happens all the time in all kinds of anime. Yeah its contrived, I get it. But really, there are much worse things that happened in this manga; this is pretty minor imho. |
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2015-06-05, 11:44 | Link #70 |
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It boils down to the 'Willing Suspension of Disbelief'. If its well written, aka the plot happens but it is done it in a way without breaken before established rules and facts, e.g. what our heroes are capable of, then most people will be ok with it. It feels natural and smooth. If on the other hand this isn't written well, aka established rules and facts are broken, the it pulls one out of a story and we realize it's artificial. The characters aren't acting because that it's what they would do, but because a very rich japanese man wrote this thing and decided that this will happen now. Well that's how I understand the 'Willing Suspension of Disbelief' but maybe I got that wrong, no expert on that. |
2015-06-06, 09:32 | Link #72 | |
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2015-06-06, 17:15 | Link #74 | |
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And there are greater ramifications for him sitting back and growing fat and lazy. He IS the symbol of peace as the Hero of the 4th War. Wouldn't it be more believable for him to lead by example, and build up as much power as he needs to be able to protect the peace? Seriously, before he became hokage, during The Last, he was far and away more powerful than even Hashirama. Even Sasuke was more powerful than Hashirama. It's ridiculous to think that the most powerful ninja ever would sit on his ass and grow lazy. Naruto's character has been all about protecting the things that are most important to him. Him becoming lazy goes completely against his character.
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2015-06-06, 18:19 | Link #75 | |
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Naruto & Sasuke could simply maintain their shape/condition, and because they were given power from the sage, its quite likely that no ninja will be able to reach them(much less surpass them) for several generations if ever. Instead of training in violent jutsu, Naruto could instead concentrate his future efforts on things like sealing techniques and using ninja arts for things more useful than death and destruction(while keeping in shape). Indeed, this would be very fitting since many of his clan's techniques were probably lost or forgotten after the ninja world fell into war. I think this would serve a great example for the other countries, and they'd probably follow suit, considering Naruto's charisma and popularity. |
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2015-06-06, 20:00 | Link #76 | |
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2015-06-06, 21:23 | Link #77 | |
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It would make for a bit of a boring story --but then that's what the new generation would be here for. I agree with itachi-san314 that it would've been better written if Naruto and Sasuke were instead featured later on, or in a final fight of this series. In the meantime, it would have made sense if we were shown brief clips of them using their sage powers to work on a new system of jutsus like what we're discussing here. *yes i know, theres a forbidden jutsu; but they can work on a more natural, less malevolent way of doing it like Tsunade's. |
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2015-06-06, 23:36 | Link #78 | |
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