2014-04-16, 19:48 | Link #61 | |
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Since volume 1 from the exam scores and the Hanzo duel he's been treated as 1 of the strongest as well as smartest. Sayaka and Kirihara even went into long monologues about how strong he is. But its still a fact that he lacks the talent to use the majority of magics that blooms consider to be basic. What difference would it make if his background and magics were made public? - His magician rank would increase and he would be treated as a powerful magician? --Doubt it. He can only barely use most magics, so his rank wouldn't increase unless the system changed. And the school body, Yotsuba and JSDF already treat him as a powerful magician for those magics and skills he does excel at. The school even went through a bunch of trouble to set up a new curriculum just to change his weed status. Its the JSDF that ordered him not to use his strongest skills in public as he's their secret weapon. The Yotsuba only ordered him to keep a low profile and prevent others from discovering Miyuki's background for safety reasons. -He gains the respect of his peers and no one would look down on him? --He already has the respect of his teachers, colleagues, workmates and most of his peers. Knowing he's Yotsuba might put the fear in them of being openly disrespectful, but those that still look down on him even after having seen his skills and might will continue to do so, because he definitely still lacks talent with most magics. -He can openly use his magic in duels and mock battles to show his true magic strength? --In a contest of destroying inanimate targets yes, but not in a duel or mock battle. Tatsuya's only strong offensive magic is quite lethal. Its illegal to use in any friendly matches. The same applies to Ichijou's favourite strong magic skill. The only difference being able to openly use his magic means Tatsuya can more easily dodge or counter much more of whats thrown at him. He will still always struggle to actually land the finishing magical blow to defeat most talented magic opponents in mock battles. This is simply because his offensive magic, besides decomposition, are all ridiculously weak. Its why he must take advantage of wave amplification and chi techniques. Last edited by Guest2; 2014-04-16 at 19:58. |
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Honestly, regardless of the way Tatsuya was treated in the past by his family, There really is no benefit to Tatsuya, Miyuki, the JSDF, or the Yotsuba to reveal he is a strategic magician or that he is from the Yotsuba clan. I feel like revealing it right now is simply forcing the issue for no reason and is highly illogical which completely goes against what the military and the Yotsuba basically stand for. I'm surprised some people even want a "down with the yotsuba" at this current moment as they're probably the most neutral power right now compared to GAA, USNA, and the Saegusa + Kudou. We got bigger fish to take care of and we still don't know what the Yotsuba's ulterior goal is so they should not be anywhere close to the top of the priority list.
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2014-04-17, 02:01 | Link #63 | |
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They reveal Tatsuya as the Strategic Class magician to the world. After that other countries will attack him, I wanna see him kill everyone as if he stepped on a cockroach. |
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2014-04-17, 06:38 | Link #66 | |
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I said change his underdog status inside the yotsuba.You do understand that beeing a clan member doesn`t mean his name will change from shiba to yotsuba, or it will be publicly announced right? If he were to be recognized as an yotsuba not as a guardian will open whole new possibilities for the story as well as for character development. Second, mist dispersal is not a lethal spell. It has various effect based on what tatsuya wants to decompose, it varies from small injuries that can cripple an opponent to completely disintegrating the opponent. He can also use that to decompose weapons/cads like he did on the Stardust soldiers. So using decomposition in a mock battle is not out of the question because its lethal.He can just decompose the opponent Cad rendering him useless, as well as he can use decomposition as aoe spell to protect himself from spells, as well as using it as counter magic(see gram dispesion), as well as using it to destroy other magician defenses, applications are to many to state them here. And the fact is he did use decomposition in a mock battle against tomitsuka so your argument he cant use it cause it lethal is weak. You want to compare strength just think of this , in icicle destruction one activation from his trident and the ice pillars will be gone before the opponent has a chance to cast as spell.Or start with a gram dispersion then trident. either way same effect. Trident= three spells in same activation sequence, a.k.a he can cast three spells at the same time where the opponent needs three separate activation to achieve same effect.An the spells are, Zi decomposition, Data fortification decomposition and last is Mist dispersal. Seems like the perfect triple counter to a normal magician, probably that's why he did that in the first place As battles go offcourse he struggles against powerful magicians but so does everyone else, you think miyuki being as powerful as she is will just clap her hand and bag the opponent is down? be serious man. And its the same situation for the opponent, you think just because he's a powerful magician can easily lend a hit on him? We saw in his mock battle with tomitsuka how frustrated tomitsuka was because he was unable to land a hit let alone a decisive one.An tomitsuka was ranked as a powerful magician and a course 1 student. Besides lina, who resorted to a strategic spell no one else managed to actually land a hit on him that he didn't want to. And lina managed that because the nature of HMB, as the plasma moved at speeds of light was impossible to dodge it in a close range combat. |
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Secondly, even if Tatsuya only used it on a person's CAD or even if he used just a tiny bit on their body below the limit of the rules, the match still goes on. Since physical attacks are allowed in matches between those of the same gender. The magicians may even still be able to use some magics without a CAD, especially the defensive ones. You don't need to point out how useful his magic would be, he could use it indirectly on the surrounding environment as well to instantly create pits and obstacles as well. My point is that the novel states if he uses it directly it would disqualify him, and if he uses it indirectly he would still have the same problem as before of having to use ambushes, tricks and tactics combined with martial arts or his other weaker magics to try and give the final blow. Quote:
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And also at age of 6, he didn't manifested decomposition and regrowth or strategic level magics, that happened when he was 13 in okinawa. Quote:
I just pointed out that Mist dispersal was not a lethal spell. When i think lethal i mean the spell will always kill the target which in MD case is not true. But MD is still forbidden because the minimum of effects will still be body harm if used on a human. Quote:
In his case he can fight without a cad, flash cast technique, but the rest of the students don`t even know such a technique even existed much less use it. Quote:
His magic may not be as powerful as other magicians but can incapacitate magicians, Far strike "Magic penetration bullet" send tomitsuka flying and knocked him out, same as for that resonance pseudo-cast jamming he used on hattori and the sound spell he used on masaki, or the oscilation magic that took out the stardust soldier, i say his magic is pretty effective when put to good use. Those may not be a-rank spells but that doesn`t mean they are not very effective. We tend to confuse the talent of a mage(magic power by current system) with his actual combat ability. To put it in gamers terms magic power is more like "Damage on paper" and combat ability is how well they can apply that damage.Just because u can use an a-rank spell if the opponent can dodge it its virtually useless. We also tent to forget that besides decomposition magic that can target the human body directly and some other obscure magic like that, the rest of the magic does not, which means mobility is a very high factor when it comes to combat, as well as tactics and strategy. As for battle with tomitsuka, the hard part was not that his spells were weak, the hard part was how to deal with that psion armor he had. And his magic was not weak, its stated that during battle the highly powerful magics involved in the battle from both sides. I think the words were along the line of a martial brawl between two highly powerful and skilled magicians. Besides the mock battles we seen so far do not show the strength of magician, look at takuma vs saeguesa twins battle u can`t call that a battle they were staying in same position all the time and launching magic at each other. U can't really call that a battle that was a joke. The closest to a real battle that we seen in mock battles was the tomitsuka vs tatsuya duel. That's why everyone that saw that battle including, takuma, the twins etc where so stunned, because not only the powerful magic involved but also the combat ability of those two. Thats why takuma and kasumi, despite both of them being a-rank mages, stated that the strength of both tomitsuka and tatsuya was far far far beyond their level even if they were just 1 year older then them. Quote:
Also the magic engineering course its not just because of tatsuya to change his status in school, they could've put him in course 1 if they wanted that(mikihiko was put in course 1 and compared to tatsuya his now where in the near). The change also came because of the 9sc last summer, when the lack of engineering stuff lead to boys team losing big time both in official and new comer division. They only managed to win because of tatsuya involvement as an magic engineer proving that talent alone can`t win battles. You could say the school used him to make that course without encountering any opposition from the school board that thought the role of the magic high was to train magicians not engineers. |
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Tatsuya will join Rozen magecraft so they can help build a better world for magicians. Then few years later Tatsuya will marry to the Rozen.
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This is kind of a nitpick, but nowhere is it stated that Tatsuya was made a Guardian at a young age as a way to keep him within the clan. That's just what Miyuki assumes in volume 8 since she can't imagine that so young a child would be competent enough to protect someone and, presumably, because she wants to believe the best of her family. As for never manifesting Regrowth and Decomposition before Okinawa, I seriously doubt it. Miya stated that he was born with those abilities and is in no way surprised when he decomposes those underwater missiles, indicating that she already knew of those abilities. Besides, I'd imagine that having Regrowth was one of the reasons he managed to survive his training. Turning matter into energy and healing other people might have been a first, but even then I'm not sure since again, Miya seems remarkably unsurprised by those abilities of Tatsuya's. (Of course, she could have just been putting on her best poker face.) Quote:
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Why would he change to rosen? The FLT saves his purpose very fine. You know his invention benefit the yotsuba as well, maya will not let him go to rozen. Quote:
As for the second part, what possible motive could the school have to create a whole new curriculum just for tatsuya. From a magic stand point he was still a course 2 student, his intelligence has nothing to do with magic and since this was a magic high school and magic was the most important thing i don't see the reasoning of creating a whole new curriculum just for 1 student. And as a school that doesn't grade combat ability they sure use that combat ability to gain recognition as the best magic high school, kinda ironic if you as me. Last edited by SoboSobo; 2014-04-18 at 05:47. |
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Tatsuya's goal and dream are I think the same as Einst.
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2014-04-18, 05:56 | Link #73 | |
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At the FLT he is just the son of the ceo and no one asks any questions. But an genius high school student popping up from no where with skills that rival taurus silver himself will raise a lot of questions, and a company as big and powerful as rosen there's no way they wont look deep in his background and make some connections. So he wont take the risk!!! |
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2014-04-18, 06:01 | Link #74 |
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Because Sayuri was her father's lover throughout his entire marriage to Miya, because Tatsurou waited no time at all after Miya's death before marrying Sayuri, and because Miyuki loved her mother but kind of despises her father? And even though Miyuki also dislikes Sayuri because she - Sayuri - doesn't give Tatsuya the recognition he deserves, that has pretty much no impact on Tatsuya's Silver Taurus work. Besides, as long as Tatsuya enjoys working with his team at FLT, what does Miyuki's dislike of Sayuri have to do with anything?
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And miyuki dislikes anyone who treats tatsuya bad no matter who she/he is.Remember she almost snapped at maya when maya barely mentioned to replace tatsuya with minami. |
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If this ever gets public he will get the glory not the FLT. FLT keeps him around because his work brings money, the more successful the company becomes the more influence the company gains in the country and thats exactly what the yotsuba wants. Hence why maya lets tatsuya so whatever research he wants at FLT. Tatsuya uses FLT for its resources to help his studies and Flt uses his creation to make money and gain influence. I say is a win win for both parties. |
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2014-04-18, 07:39 | Link #79 | |
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Can we really say they are abusing Tatsuya? He is the boss in his FLT unit and the only reason he keeps his identity hidden is because he is too young. He doesn't even need their support to live. |
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