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Not that far. More like episode 10 or 11 Look at it this way: In the dream, the only magical girl alive (at least in the city), Homura, is fighting witch!Sayaka. Something interesting about the way this scene plays out is that Madoka is getting out of the maze, and Homura and the witch are fighting in the real world. Anyway, in the worst possible moment, when Homura is in danger and Madoka is in despair, Kyubey appears, to do what he does best, try to contract a girl in despair. Now if you pay attention, you'll realize that Homura is shouting to Madoka, trying to prevent what she knows it's going to happen. The way it's animated and the fact that her voice is muted might make it hard to discern, but it's there. So what I'm thinking about is that this "dream" is more like a precog. vision, and more specifically, a warning. The way it plays out and the clues now available point that way. You could think of it as fated to happen or something. The only question would be, can it be avoided? Sayaka becoming a witch probably can't, but the most important thing: Madoka contracting with Kyubey... can that be avoided?
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One thing. I don't think it's the real world. In the fights with the other witches, they also always had to go through some kind of maze, the main stage being an alternate dimension, but technically still at the starting point. Because each time the witch was defeated, the alternate dimension reverted back and the real world came back to surface, Madoka etc. basically standing at the same point they entered the dimension. So I would guess that only within the dimension, the spectrum of the area changes and they need to go a certain way to reach the main stage / core area where the witch is. But in reality they don't actually move away from their location despite all the maze running.
Of course, I might as well be wrong and it's really the real world. That'd be severely shocking to me... lol
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2011-01-29, 14:02 | Link #63 | |
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The fact that there's at least a known building (Kamijo's hospital) is also a hint of this being the real world.
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2011-01-29, 14:31 | Link #64 |
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Hmmmmh... still trying to wrap my head around this...
What is the significance of all this though? You expect Sayaka to become an uberpowered witch (that is constantly flying upside down) that's gonna wreck the real world? One that even Homura can't deal with? While Kyubey lingers around in the hopes to contract Madoka? What's the meaning of this? |
2011-01-29, 14:54 | Link #65 |
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How would I know that? I'm just interpreting the clues and hints I see. The fact that these clues are there, well, is pretty much a fact. Whether my interpretation of them is correct or not, is a totally different matter. But maybe, because I'm no trying to fit this in some theory I had beforehand, and instead I'm just making conclusion based on the clues I see there, I'll end up being proved right. Don't you think?
Anyway, let's wait and see.
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2011-01-29, 17:23 | Link #66 | |
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In terms of the overall meaning does there need to be one? Could just be a sequence of events that leads to Madoka making her contract. But anyways I don't think Sayaka is going to become unglued to the point that she's going to turn into a witch. Sure the guy may turn out to not be worth it, but still think she can recover from that. The real problem is surviving another girl coming after her in combination with that probable disappointment. Think the cast would be too weak right now if she goes down, so hopefully another reality behind the hints we've seen.
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2011-01-31, 12:03 | Link #67 |
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Sayaka got presence of mind, she thinks ahead.
When Charlotte was about to hatch she (and Kyubey) stayed with it so Mami would know where to go (unfortunately to her death). In episode 4, she asked Kyubey what's going to happen with the city. If not for Kamijo's arm she might have waited until a new Puella Magi appears and turns out to do a lousy job before making a contract. But i think she would have made one sooner or later. She's not the type to sit around and watch someone else go into danger, not the type to live or die at someone else mercy. And as Madoka has shown, even if there are strings attached, the contract offers at least a way to fight back. She entrusts the job to someone she knows will do it to the best of her ability, herself. And of course she will regret it but do it anyway. But i don't think she will turn into a witch. EDIT: Forgot last sentence. Last edited by Spinell; 2011-01-31 at 14:11. |
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Despite knowing the risks and what awaited her, she went ahead and made the choice. Good thing she did, too, or Madoka would be dead and we wouldn't have a series, heh. |
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2011-01-31, 16:20 | Link #69 | |
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Nah, I don't mind Madoka as a main character. She just needs more time to develop.
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2011-02-04, 02:15 | Link #70 | |
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Too many people suspected him to be ungrateful but I think the a nice Kamijou will have a much bigger impact on Sayaka than a negative Kamijou. Especially if he gets in danger |
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2011-02-04, 02:45 | Link #71 |
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Realistically speaking, the behavior of Kamijou was normal. As someone who has seen such things numerous times, you get kinda spiteful to absurd degrees at times when you lose a major life activity. Its a stage of grief.
Though it looks like Sayaka having Madoka around saved her. Still, the train carryinng her doom is on the way, though it took a detour fpr awhile. You just dont get that many flags in one episode and turn up fine after the series. Though next episode I expect Akemi to bitch at Sayaka, for having madoka around and putting her on the spot and such. I mean, she isnt thinking ahead very much. What did she think wuld happen to madoka if things went south? : |
2011-02-07, 20:57 | Link #72 |
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So, after reading the wiki with the speculation on Sayaka, do I dare step into this thread, and see much of the same speculation.
...For this show, I can definitely see them going that route. Prior to reading about witch!Sayaka, I had already theorized that witches were produced from the death of magical girls (or the soul, or the device that fuels their power, or something similar). ...but becoming one directly? Creepy as hell, though we know that there are a lot more witches than MGs, so there has to be something more to it. |
2011-02-08, 13:26 | Link #73 | |
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Posting this over here,it's from the general thread,an interview of sayaka's seiyuu translated by cat_monster
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This interview makes me wonder if some havn't written Sayaka off too early,she might end up surviving the show,even if she'll suffer quite a lot. What really intrigues me is that last bit,Sayaka a key character?Most people view Homura and QB as the key characters so for Homura's voice actress to say it might mean that Sayaka will be quite important to the plot
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2011-02-08, 18:41 | Link #75 | |
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I guessed at the beginning of this anime that Sayaka would be a character pushed to the background and written off by both canon characters and fans as unimportant. Seems I was right, to some extent.
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2011-02-08, 21:28 | Link #76 |
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No one here (as fare as I can tell) is calling her unimportant after all she is one of the main cast members and without a doubt will serve a purpose for the story. However lets face the facts there have been more then a few hints that something bad is going to happen to Sayaka. So much that it's not even funny. Like with what she said a couple of episodes ago about " If I only knew the cost of miracles." that is her speaking in past tents which means the future just isn't looking so bright.
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2011-02-08, 22:48 | Link #77 |
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In another anime/manga I've been following, Fairy Tail, there were quite a few flags that someone else was gonna die. He's still alive thus far, and seemingly not in as much danger of dying now.
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I'm actually a bit surprised that people are so convinced by that sort of stuff. I mean, most folks here are very familiar with TV Tropes, and are aware of the concept of trope subversion. What if Shinbo and Urobuchi are aiming to really subvert tropes related to "death flags"? I'd honestly find that rather brilliant on their part. If we take this seiyu interview at face value, I think it means that Sayaka gets badly maimed in combat but doesn't die. Perhaps she's hospitalized, and on the verge of death.
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2011-02-09, 11:14 | Link #79 | |
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That being said, I don't think what has been foreshadowed regarding Sayaka is her death. A lot of bad things are going to happen to her, that's for sure, but we still can not be sure she's going to die.
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2011-02-09, 12:13 | Link #80 |
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again, especially when I'm saying it coming from the position of someone who has used it.
"Killing" one person early is a great way to raise the Anyone Can Die specter. Regardless if you don't plan to kill anyone else, you've made your audience think that you can, so that raises he dramatic tension. The fact that quite a few people here are thinking that she will, is proof of that. When I wrote Future Tense, I always got a chuckle out of people who expected someone to die, and I even mocked fun of it by making it look like Sein had died, but she actually survived. Killing Sayaka now would be overdoing it, and not needed. We already fear for life, so the main goal has been accomplished. Given the type of series this is, I'm gonna go with the "he plans to subvert tropes and conventions" line of thought. "Flags" are merely our own preconceived biases based on experience, which would be foolhardy to rely upon in this case. |
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