2019-01-25, 16:08 | Link #61 | |
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I have a small question here. Which Voban do you think are the strongest? Campione!Voban or CampionessVoban. PS. you should merge this post with the previous one. |
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2019-01-25, 16:35 | Link #62 | |
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More and I must remember that with the exception of Fenrir Skull, he has all the authorities that Voban SNC, and his magical power and greater than the Voban SNC since that lost much power when it resurrected younger. The Voban of Campione and more tactical, the Voban of SNC and more berserker. |
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2019-01-25, 16:50 | Link #63 | |
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For me, his fate cutting authority is much more interesting than Fenrir's skull. I think SNC Voban is more willing to go above and beyond than Campione!Voban. Maybe, because of his mind had been occupying a younger body. Last edited by roronoa20; 2019-01-25 at 17:07. |
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2019-01-25, 19:24 | Link #65 | |
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2019-01-26, 10:33 | Link #68 | |
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I'm assuming that power you mean is a magical energy, not an authority. I can't find any text that mention his lost of proficiency in using authorities or magical energy in either of spanish translation and JP wiki. I'll wait and see if there's anything I missed in Baka's translation. It would be nice if you can provide me a chapter where Voban lost of power had been stated. |
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2019-01-26, 10:42 | Link #69 | |
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And Voban made it clear that he lost powers and took a long time accumulating more to recreate his body, I do not remember him at any time talking that he reached the same force as before. |
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2019-01-26, 10:54 | Link #70 | |
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He accumulated his magical energy to recreate his body, and lost some authority. That's it. There's no mention of anything further than that. “Sí. Aunque perdí algunas Autoridades en el proceso, pude obtener un cuerpo y una mente más jóvenes. De todos modos, lo puedes llamar un error de cálculo; es algo común.” (This is the original text)(I used every kind of dictionary other than google translate. There's nothing but a lost of authority mentioned.) I don't see any text where he said he lost his power other than some unknown amount of authorities. Or, he couldn't reach his former height. It's either you missed it or you got it wrong. |
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2019-01-26, 12:39 | Link #71 | |
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Sun Wukong grew to the size his head could reach the clouds, but John Pluto Smith stated that "Other than being ostentatious,that kind of size offers no actual benefit in real combat ... Simply stated, he is a vain god that loves seeking attention. " Size is not power, the wolves Voban summoned against Ren and Riona, became giants after Riona has transformed in its giant form Yatagarasu bird. The 50 meter [Boar] which was a fragment of Verethragna was much weaker than the [Boar] 20 meters from Godou. The two giant lobes invoked by Voban, follow the tactical vision of Doni, if the target is small and use a small sword, if the target is a giant and use a giant sword. |
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2019-01-26, 13:04 | Link #72 | |
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However, I still stand that his authority has grown in other areas. The werewolf that Voban summoned demonstrate a superior strength and resilience. In the first series, Erica can fight with Voban's wolf without much difficulty. Now, Riona, who I believe is stronger than Erica still find it a little bit difficult to deal with them. His new light nullifying technique which he can cancel his own lightning. Something that has no element related to the sun. It can be considered as a development his his ability. |
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2019-01-26, 13:24 | Link #73 | |
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Voban probably creates more wolves giving less power per individual while he can create more powerful wolves in exchange for creating less. In order to capture Yuri it was better to use the small wolves, remembering that he himself did not attempt to attack in its giant form (imagine then a servant that could end up exaggerating?) All this is conditional, not that Voban is more powerful, he just did not have to care about the life of Ren or Riona. |
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2019-01-26, 13:42 | Link #74 | |||
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When a human kills a god his magical power/Authoritie and absorbed by the human, the authority that he will receive and the most compatible with his personality or style of struggle. When David Bianchi used geomancist to search for Verethragna, his magic pointed to Godou's location. So the answer to why Voban and Lou Hao has much more magical power than younger campions, boils down to having killed many more gods and accumulating the magical power of these gods. When Godou cuts off the authority of a god or campione his authority and magical power diminish, this is coincidence ?, if so a campione that loses its authority will not lose the magical power that it obtained of the god that killed? When circe took the authorities of Godou, he suffered to defeat the avatars of Verethragna, who had power equivalent to divine beasts (with the exception of [Boar]), losing part of his authority had no effect on his total magical power, as he was not able to kill these divine beasts with a single kick when he wore [camel] that can kill a god? Quote:
Godou's Boar is strong enough to kill a god, and also go against the will of his summoner, if Voban's wolves follow the same principle, they could have killed Yuri even though Voban ordered not to hurt her. Quote:
Campione and gods are so, never expect the same trick will work a second time. Last edited by GodSoul; 2019-01-26 at 14:11. |
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2019-01-26, 14:39 | Link #75 | |
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Gaining an authority is more akin to having new super-move or skills which has no relation to the MP However, I'm not sure if this is possible or not, but constant usage of authority may increase MP. If that's the case, it will explain why Voban and Luo Hao has more reserve than the younger generation. They've been active for more than centuries and constantly fight the gods.(I'm not really confident about this.) [Camel] doesn't have or never demonstrated enough fire power to kill a god in a single kick. Full power kick to the head couldn't kill Rama or Doni. If [Camel] can kill a god, Doni and Rama head would've been a red paste on the ground already. When Godou cut his opponent's authority. They never show any sign of diminished magical capacity, it only seal their access to that specific authority. Voban never show any sign of exhaustion when he lost both Apollo and Osiris. He only exhausted his energy after he had to reconstruct his body. Voban's wolf authority doesn't follow the same principle as Godou's [Boar]. Godou summoned a divine beast, but Voban creates a divine beast. [Boar] has his own mind and will, but Voban's wolf doesn't. This technique doesn't include strum und drang into it. The text doesn't mention any sort of combination between them. |
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2019-01-26, 16:21 | Link #76 | ||||
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"How did you get numbers like ninety and eighty?" "Because the god of war has a total of ten incarnations. One of them. [White Stallion] is already captured in grimoire, so it's ninety percent. Is not that a simple calculation?" volume 3 / chapter 6 / part 1 What history has shown so far speaks the opposite. Quote:
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Volume 15 / Chapter 4 / part 3(I think you skipped this volume) Man of Steel and a full authority, while [Camel] is part of an authority that manifests itself in 10 ways. Godou stated that one of the forms of the Persian Warlord, had a third of the power of a single authority like Man of Steel / Ripping Silver Arm / Rudra's Arrows. In the duel between rama and Godou in volume 21, Godou has no intention of killing Rama, he wanted to ally himself, because it was useless to kill him Quote:
When Ena descended to Netherworld with Ama no Murakumo no Tsurugi, the divine blade was filled with magical power and apparently became demi-independent, which allowed Godou to steal it from Susanoo. All gods, divine beasts, divine tools, and people on divine power effect, have shown changes in their personalities and behavior, the more power, the greater the effect. Even though Voban's wolves are created, they still have to obey the laws of the campione universe! Or else the story will not make sense, it will be similar to fairy tail, where all the rules can be changed in favor of the protagonism. I never claimed that he combined two authorities, I just gave my thoughts on how he could have made that effect. |
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I don't think you should use heretic gods as a case study, since we've no idea if there's any differences between campione and god's physiology. In vol.21, got his [warrior] stolen, but didn't mention anything about his reserve being drained. Quote:
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2019-01-26, 20:00 | Link #78 | ||
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It would have been better to have quoted Alec's Faceless Queen. Quote:
The normal kick of the [Camel] can seriously injure gods (as shown when breaking the bones of Athena) and kill Dragon-level divine beasts. The kick with maximum power can kill a god, even if Rama was not in his 100%, he was certainly stronger than a Subordinate, who is already much stronger than a Divine Beast (as we can see with Vaisravana and Zhu Ganglie) . Last edited by LKK; 2019-01-26 at 23:46. Reason: Posts merged. Don't post multiple times in a row. Use the Edit button instead. |
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PS.I recommend you to merge post. |
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So if [Prometheus' Grimoire] does not steal the divine power as you say, whence came the divine power that Godou used to fire the White Stallion power that was stuck in Verethragna. I understand, you're saying that a human who was not a magician and had not killed a god, yet had enough magical power to use SKILL [White Stallion](not divine power because [Prometheus' Grimoire] does not steal divine power) with enough power to kill a God? I have been a fan of the series since 2012, I have read all the volumes of Campione! and sincerely. This does not make sense to me. Quote:
But I understand what you mean. If a god does not have Man of Steel, does he not count as god? he is not often stronger than a divine beast, right?. So for you Perseus / Mithras, Verethragna, Athena / Medusa, Artio, Pandora, Circe, Melqart, are not gods since they do not have Man of Steel, even though [Camel] can kill him's, that does not mean he can kill a god, since they are not gods, and so? Quote:
Verethragna behaved like a true god when godou first met him, in their reunion when goat attacked a town, Godou was instinctively able to notice a change in the magical power of Verethragna, and his personality had become more arrogant. In his third encounter when he had already regained ninety percent of his power he was totally Heretic. Before regaining his full power, Lancelot du Lac behaved like Guinevere guardian, as his power grew, he already knew that he would leave Guinevere. While Sun Wukong was sealed, he behaved like a traverse monkeywhen he was released he still did not have his full power, and behaved cautiously with the two campione, after regaining his full power he became arrogant, wanting to crush the campiones in a direct confrontation. Godou's girls had changes in their behavior after receiving [Adolescent], even Godou changed their behavior while wearing [Adolescent]. Voban's wolves show enough intelligence in their fight against Ren and Riona, using a tactic to pluck the head to hit Riona who was flying, I've never seen a puppet do this. This same intelligence was not shown by the wolves that were killed by Erica. The divine beasts with more POWER showed more intelligence in the series than the weaker ones, like the centipede who used guerrilla tactics to deal with Godou. Quote:
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