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You're ridiculously naive about anime. You're obviously quite young or have quite a young mentality towards these things so I'll lay down the facts for you. First off, most designs have other designs in their somewhere. You're a GunxSword fan - given a large part of it was a parody of other mecha anime there definitely are bits and bobs borrowed from other anime. Second, Taniguchi didn't design shit - CLAMP designed the Code Geass characters. If you say that you must recognise the similiarities between the design, though. |
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2008-04-11, 16:58 | Link #62 |
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Even so, Eris only showed up in one of the Saint Seiya movies or OVAs, I believe. Not exactly an important character even within that franchise.
Those design similarities are so general that they may also be found in at least a dozen other characters, if one looks hard enough. |
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Eris has appeared in several other things. The point was apparently that japanese people know nothing about greek mytology and any given Norse Goddess would be as recognisable, yet Eris did manage to make it into a very popular anime franchise, whereas Frigg or Freya are not major characters in any anime movie. You also seem to be focusing on that one point as the crux of the argument when there are others. I wish people were good at arguing but I guess from a Weeaboo forum it's a bit too much to hope for :/ |
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2008-04-11, 17:04 | Link #64 |
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While I admit to not liking the idea, it more has to do that it simply does not make a lot of sense. The personality doesn't fit C.C. all that much. The only similarity I saw was that her giving the Geass has caused some chaos.
There is no need to needlessly insult me. For one, I know Taniguchi didn't handle designs though that was a mistake on my part. The GXS parody was rather deliberate and more of a homage to the shows, this I know. The design is somewhat similar, I'll admit. I'd think that CLAMP wouldn't simply copy a design of someone else. I'd say that C.C. has more of a resemblence to Yuuko, though it is partial at best. What annoys me is how you insist on the theory so much when there really isn't much basis for it all. To be honest, there isn't enough at all to form any good theories about who C.C. is at all. And I'll ask this again, if C.C. was Eris what would her wish be?
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So far, there is nothing inherently Greek-related in Code Geass, to assume that a particular anime interpretation of a Greek goddess would be the source of inspiration. Quote:
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2008-04-11, 20:46 | Link #67 |
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Kittie Rose's theory about C.C. being Eris is very interesting. I had not considered that C.C. might be a godess. But I think that there are very few greek refrences in the show. Even the Ganymede refrence could be in connection to the planet Jupiter, since it is one of its moons, instead.
When Kittie Rose started discribing Eris's attributes, I started thinking of the Irish godess Morrigan. She is a godess associtated with sovereignty,prophecy, war and death. But what really got me excited about this particular goddess as a canidate for C.C.'s identity is that she is sometimes associted with Morgan Le Fay from the Arthurian Legend. She is also associtated with crows, which could give us our wings. I thought this sort of gave a symmetry with Arthurian legend if we consider. C.C. = Morgan Lulu = Mordred (King Arthur's bastard son who wants to kill him) The Emperor= King Arthur V.V. = Merlin V.V. as Merlin sort of threw me since he seems so young until I thought of T.H.White's interpertation of Merlin growing younger rather then older. |
2008-04-11, 20:54 | Link #68 |
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Well, I doubt we are going to see everyone take on the role of someone from the Arthur legends. We already have that in some ways with the Knightmares already.
I honestly think that she is more likely to be a human, possibly a historical figure though maybe not, who simply gained immortality somehow. Morrigan is rather interesting though and fits in some ways with the Celtic myths as well as being associated with Morgan Le Fay. Would that make her evil or not though?
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I also tend to think she is not literally a godess but a human who aquired powers somehow. A human that has led to the legends of Morrigan and Morgan Le Fay. There are many interpetations of Morgan, some cast her in a much more positive light. I wasn't thinking that C.C was evil, but rather that she was in conflict with "Merlin" aka V.V. |
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2008-04-11, 21:21 | Link #71 |
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King Arthur has been thought to be a real figure, though some also think that the legends may also be several people throughout history put into one.
The problem with Morrigan is that the name doesn't fit with what we see Lelouch saying as well as how it is easy to pronounce. Morgan La Fay could possibly work though. C.C. being someone who is responsible for the legends being formed is a rather interesting idea though.
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They are both sons of rulers that where not appreciated or nurtured by their fathers. And because of this they want to kill him and destroy his kingdom. They get extensive help from a witch. Mordred kills his father, then he dies tragicly. This is a fate that I think is all to likely for Lelouch. |
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2008-04-11, 21:36 | Link #75 |
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Oldest version I can find for the lady is the medieval tale during Lancelot's quest for the holy grail. It's "Viviane" in that version. Hah, it'd be funny if her name had two V's compared to the one who has the letters in his initials
As for the parallels, yes I do see them, but by no means do I think we should measure the depth of the characters by such standards which is what Dann was trying to do in associating C.C as being evil because of your association of her to Morgan La Fay. |
2008-04-11, 21:40 | Link #77 |
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Sometimes the Lady of the Lake and Nimue are thought to be the same character. Nimue is the witch that seduces and betrays Merlin. I had considered that C.C. might be the Lady too specifically because of that scene with her sitting in a lake. Nimue could be said in the time needed, maybe.
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2008-04-11, 21:46 | Link #78 |
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The name is still too short though, though aspects of it would fit. If Lelouch did in fact recognize the name then it would of had to have been from either myths he was familiar with or history. I think he would have been familar with the Arthur legends, so if it was someone from there it would make sense. Morgan La Fay would be the best candidate in this case I would think since she was said to be a witch.
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